Might want to take a second look at your avtar.

The judge in the legal action which you filed, then lost, removed you from any chance at separate representation. Now thats ironic.

You refused to join any of the Committee structures so we moved on without you. Some grudgingly agreed to join later, then quit both the Negotiating and Merger Committees - the very ones having the most profound impact upon your careers.

YGTBFSM.

Do you really think any post by any member will have one iota of effect on this SLI ?

Wow, I guess subconsciously, you put more weight in my opinions here then you admit to yourself.


....and my point in this respect is that this time, USAPA "avenues of disposal" may come back to bite their own junior pilots. Me identifying and acknowledging that doesn't change the fact that USAPA will be responsible should that happen. Agreed though on the "dirty deeds" by both unions. That's all the more reason why in this SLI there should be a new mold to ensure complete transparency via the arbitrators. Controlling information to them can mean all the difference, be it APA or USAPA.

I'm not your enemy. If I was, I'd be advocating APA controlling the East, which would make me no better then USAPA. I think all parties (at least 6), should have the ability to communicate to the arbitrators their positions. The "big three" (East, West and native AA) could present directly and the sub groups with issues they'd like to at least be available for consideration like AE flows, third listers and TWA pilots could submit written statements.

That way the arbitrators have all significant relevant information to consider. No one loses and everyone gains by an open, transparent and fair process.

Just out of curiosity (and I know u have probably explained this before so I apologize as I just don't understand) why do eagle flows who are already on AA property need their own representation? AA already has their one list set correct? Are you guys trying to reorder the existing AA list?

Are Eagle flows higher in seniority than new hires at legacy American? Or is it based off DOH?

Complicated question. To answer that requires a detailed explanation of the history of the original flow-thru agreement and its multiple arbitrations. It requires determination of the presently unknown position of the APA regarding these pilots relative seniority among AA pilots or if they refuse to declare their position on that. It may not be an issue, but from my understanding may very well be. We are certainly not trying to reorder the AA list, but actually prevent that from happening solely based on the flow-thru. I cannot expand on that further on this forum as it may be a legal issue in the future.

That's the best I can do on this.

Eagle flows (the original agreement that expired in 2008) are mixed in. The most senior are now just making captain with 14 years seniority and the most junior came over last year. These are not pilots now coming over at 20/month, nor any future flow-thru pilots which are different. The present 20/month (minimum) crowd are based on a Nicolau arbitration from 2010 (the last original flow-thru arbitration) and when these "824" end, it will be a third flow-thru mechanism as per agreement between AAL, ALPA and Eagle.

Gotcha, so basically u are trying to prevent being screwed . Understandable. Nothing wrong with all sides looking after themselves! Can't wait for it all to be over!

I agree with what you said in a previous post about east, west, and AA all having their own representation with the SLI. However, former Eagle pilots don't need or warrant separate representation. They are AA pilots. Any Eagle pilot that goes to AA does not get to jump the list. They should go in with a new hire seniority just like everyone else.

It doesn't matter where an eagle pilot is on the existing AA list. That's where they are due to whatever precious agreements they had.