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MD-80
You guys that do/have flown the 80, can you clearly see your map display w/out looking around the yoke? i.e. is the display obstructed by the yoke?
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I fly the -88 & -90 for DL but from what I can remember from jumpseating on AA, their -82s & -83s appear to be set up the same. If you have your seat at the proper height/position, the top half of the ND is pretty easily visible but it takes a bit of a peek over/around the yoke to see the bottom half.
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The same thing happens in the airbus when you have your lunch on it. ;)
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Yes it's obstructed. You can only see the top half. That's one of the reasons most folks fly in ARC or MAP mode.
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As one mad dog driver sarcastically told me once, "it's a cockpit by Remington, load a bunch of instruments in a big shotgun, BAM! Where they hit was where they stayed...."
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Yes to see and reach everything you seat has to be pretty high. In the old school 80s with the steam gauges (the original 82) it can be a hassle to see a dme readout and the darn brake temp is almost hidden down there too.
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Since the navigation information provided in the MD80 is unreliable, it isn't that big a deal that you can't see the display. Navigation in a Douglas product is an "'ish" proposition, followed by vectors. Look out the window and turn at familiar landmarks. If you have not flown that route a million times, then you are probably screwed. Thank God for ASAP and NASA reports.
Have you ever seen a four year old child pour a glass of milk? Douglas RNAV and VNAV are much the same; always hesitant and frequently it ends in something you will have to clean up. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1688443)
Since the navigation information provided in the MD80 is unreliable, it isn't that big a deal that you can't see the display. Navigation in a Douglas product is an "'ish" proposition, followed by vectors. Look out the window and turn at familiar landmarks. If you have not flown that route a million times, then you are probably screwed. Thank God for ASAP and NASA reports.
Have you ever seen a four year old child pour a glass of milk? Douglas RNAV and VNAV are much the same; always hesitant and frequently it ends in something you will have to clean up. ...and you gotta love when you're 500' AGL in IMC on the ILS and the LOC needle goes full scale left followed by full scale right deflection. Standard MD-80 pilot remark, 'just give it a sec, it'll come back...huh huh hopefully...' -Lucky |
Hey, at least it's CAT III auto land :eek:
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1688443)
Since the navigation information provided in the MD80 is unreliable, it isn't that big a deal that you can't see the display. Navigation in a Douglas product is an "'ish" proposition, followed by vectors. Look out the window and turn at familiar landmarks. If you have not flown that route a million times, then you are probably screwed. Thank God for ASAP and NASA reports.
Have you ever seen a four year old child pour a glass of milk? Douglas RNAV and VNAV are much the same; always hesitant and frequently it ends in something you will have to clean up. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1688443)
Since the navigation information provided in the MD80 is unreliable, it isn't that big a deal that you can't see the display. Navigation in a Douglas product is an "'ish" proposition, followed by vectors. Look out the window and turn at familiar landmarks. If you have not flown that route a million times, then you are probably screwed. Thank God for ASAP and NASA reports.
Have you ever seen a four year old child pour a glass of milk? Douglas RNAV and VNAV are much the same; always hesitant and frequently it ends in something you will have to clean up. The MD80 has an ND? Who knew?:rolleyes: |
I never had any issues in the KC-10, and that was with retrofitted 80's military-grade equipment. Although sometimes the FMA's were out of focus...
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
(Post 1688844)
I never had any issues in the KC-10, and that was with retrofitted 80's military-grade equipment. Although sometimes the FMA's were out of focus...
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Since the navigation information provided in the MD80 is unreliable, it isn't that big a deal that you can't see the display. Navigation in a Douglas product is an "'ish" proposition, followed by vectors. Look out the window and turn at familiar landmarks. If you have not flown that route a million times, then you are probably screwed. Thank God for ASAP and NASA reports. Have you ever seen a four year old child pour a glass of milk? Douglas RNAV and VNAV are much the same; always hesitant and frequently it ends in something you will have to clean up. |
Those MD-80s are prehistoric, just like the AA procedures for operating them.
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The MD-80 is modern compared to a legacy C-130. At least you don't have to ask the Nav to sequence you to the next waypoint.
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In most planes you turn on the automation to settle things down. In the 80, you turn off the automation to settle things down.
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As old as the -80 is, it's still my favorite airplane I've ever flown. Hope I can fly it as a CA before it goes away!
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A lot of MDs are being converted to freighters.
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Originally Posted by Packrat
(Post 1690224)
A lot of MDs are being converted to freighters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvnOVU4KeRg |
Originally Posted by ERJF15
(Post 1688318)
You guys that do/have flown the 80, can you clearly see your map display w/out looking around the yoke? i.e. is the display obstructed by the yoke?
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
(Post 1688844)
I never had any issues in the KC-10, and that was with retrofitted 80's military-grade equipment. Although sometimes the FMA's were out of focus...
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
(Post 1688844)
I never had any issues in the KC-10, and that was with retrofitted 80's military-grade equipment. Although sometimes the FMA's were out of focus...
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