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#561
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2008
Posts: 1,114
My, my. I see a lot of anger here........in fact, it is more akin to rage. I suspect it is founded in fear that your hopes and dreams may not be realized once the ISL is awarded. I hope to screw no one, because I have sense enough to realize I CANT screw anyone. If the arbitrators do place career expectation weight to the AA furloughees (many of whom are ex-TWA), will they then be "ignorant trolls" who screwed X or Y ?
No one at Eagle screwed TWA pilots as it was an arbitrator (Nicolau in this case) who determined the facts of a given dispute and guess what ?
That is EXACTLY what is about to occur here.
No one at Eagle screwed TWA pilots as it was an arbitrator (Nicolau in this case) who determined the facts of a given dispute and guess what ?
That is EXACTLY what is about to occur here.
Answer me this... If a job at LAA was so superior why didn't those furloughs come back for the money and such a superior job at LAA? Hmmm...
#562
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Tell that to the West committee. As for your proclomations of certainty, knock yourself silly.
I understand it's satisfying to embrace a rationale that is to your benefit, but I think claiming certainty could set yourself up for crushing disappointment. But, since you are so certain of what will occur, I don't see any reason to twist yourself into a pretzel, but again, knock yourself silly if it serves you.
Last edited by eaglefly; 11-03-2015 at 06:03 PM.
#563
Are we there yet??!!
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,010
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Active and Inactive Pilots
As of December 9, 2013, the American seniority list included a total of 9,845 pilots; the East list included a total of 3,566 pilots; and the West list included a total of 1,608 pilots. Those totals included, in addition to “active” pilots, pilots in inactive statuses. The breakdown between active and inactive pilots on the three lists was as follows:
Active
Inactive
AA
8034
1811
US(E) 3025
541
US(W) 1403
205
Total 12,462
2557
As of December 9, 2013, 1,165 pre-merger American Pilots were in Letter T status.
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Unlike eaglefly's response, it is not subject and I have provided the data right from AAPSIC court docs.
#564
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,092
I'm seriously laughing at this...at the time of the merger Meyers was a 27 (?) year old who hadn't been on property a month on the east. I just can't believe the arrogance of the LUS pre merger new hires. Do you guys really believe AA was at the same level as US? None of us would've ever been called to even interview there (my app is still on file!). Our second year pay (Airbus) was $56! It topped out at $85 after 15 years!
Oh, career movement you say. Let's see, Airbus CA topped out at $125! Meyers will be making more than that as an Airbus FO in his third year!
I'm sorry guys, the AA merger was a godsend to everyone on the US side, and to even be thinking about slotting in new hires ahead of furloughed guys hired in 98-00 just blows my mind especially when you sit next to guys who were so screwed over by the same thing and you see what it did to their careers. Disgusting.
I totally get why you want to do a land grab but you are no better than the west guys at this point. Maybe you support them too, I dunno.
Oh, career movement you say. Let's see, Airbus CA topped out at $125! Meyers will be making more than that as an Airbus FO in his third year!
I'm sorry guys, the AA merger was a godsend to everyone on the US side, and to even be thinking about slotting in new hires ahead of furloughed guys hired in 98-00 just blows my mind especially when you sit next to guys who were so screwed over by the same thing and you see what it did to their careers. Disgusting.
I totally get why you want to do a land grab but you are no better than the west guys at this point. Maybe you support them too, I dunno.
#565
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,533
Also there is something to be said about a company who's management team admits to their system/routes being the weakest of the hub and spoke carriers. Who continue to say they rather keep their fleet at fleet minimums. A mgt team who openly admit they're pay is the weakest and always will be to stay competitive.....
Fyi.... I realize we dont choose and pick who will hire us. Its all about timing and opportunity. But few would choose or say Airways is the best pilot job out there.....
Fyi.... I realize we dont choose and pick who will hire us. Its all about timing and opportunity. But few would choose or say Airways is the best pilot job out there.....
Face it, whoever you are. You and I are within a month of each other on the list, and are BOTH super junior, relative to the 15,000ish pilots on the list. You are arguing seniority with a guy (Eaglefly) who has at least a few years ON PROPERTY over you, so why do you waste any time arguing with a guy who - no matter what happens - will be senior (way senior) to you (and me)?
Enjoy the fact that you are young and will retire very senior on the combined list LONG after guys like him (and me) are mere memories on the seniority list.
#567
While I agree with the bulk of what you wrote, I do disagree with the above statement. The new hires I know, mostly from my own class, but also former Air Force colleagues, are all guys with solid resumes and of great character. I'm positive all of us would have been picked up elsewhere (including AA). Please don't propagate the myth that we (LUS new hires) are somehow weaker new hires, it's BS.
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