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PurpleTurtle 01-09-2015 07:45 PM
Originally Posted by Hueypilot (Post 1800017)
If this TA is voted in, they need to grieve it, because that's the legal language that both parties agreed to. I think APA would have good legal standing to win that one.
We will have 1,000 grievances by the time this contract runs its course. Parker's profit strategy includes paying lawyers to dream up contract violation that save more money than the lawyers billing. I bet 10% bonuses are offered to get really juicy violations.

AB YZS 01-09-2015 07:56 PM
Vote NO!!! You will make more in the next 10 years without concessions while preserving our pilot profession!

Hueypilot 01-09-2015 08:03 PM
Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1800028)
You'd likely be wrong. This is the type of arbitration that will mimic the divorce court proceeding you are familiar with. The argument will be the APA voted to send it to us like this and we knowingly ratified it under these circumstances.
The company agreed in writing to give us 45 days to ratify an agreement to get retro pay. Then turned around and said "you get two weeks or it's off...make it happen". APA could easily justify that they were left with no choice and that AAG broke their agreement with the union.

eaglefly 01-09-2015 08:28 PM
Originally Posted by Hueypilot (Post 1800045)
The company agreed in writing to give us 45 days to ratify an agreement to get retro pay. Then turned around and said "you get two weeks or it's off...make it happen". APA could easily justify that they were left with no choice and that AAG broke their agreement with the union.
Yeah and Parker promised to pay us Delta rates with Delta profits and look what he did. Man, you can't be this naive, can you ?

Our CEO is cross between the Grinch and Pinocchio, but don't worry.....it will all be different in 2020, when you stomp your feet and scream, "F-NO !". :rolleyes:

Ekpt40 01-09-2015 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by Hueypilot (Post 1800045)
The company agreed in writing to give us 45 days to ratify an agreement to get retro pay. Then turned around and said "you get two weeks or it's off...make it happen". APA could easily justify that they were left with no choice and that AAG broke their agreement with the union.
Huey the more I read about mgmts behavior the more I am hoping it gets voted down. I started as a big yes.
The companies actions these last few weeks indicate that they do not honor agreements. If we do not have concrete language in the contract it should be voted down.
It makes no sense voting in a contract just for the priveledge of grieving it.

Hueypilot 01-09-2015 09:29 PM
Originally Posted by Ekpt40 (Post 1800082)
Huey the more I read about mgmts behavior the more I am hoping it gets voted down. I started as a big yes.
The companies actions these last few weeks indicate that they do not honor agreements. If we do not have concrete language in the contract it should be voted down.
It makes no sense voting in a contract just for the priveledge of grieving it.
I wouldn't vote it down strictly on the basis of retro pay alone. APA made the right move regardless of whether they try to protest the rush job.

MarineGrunt 01-10-2015 09:18 AM
Any thoughts on the chances we vote this down and get the pay rates anyway? Isn't that what happened with the FAs?

eaglefly 01-10-2015 09:48 AM
Originally Posted by MarineGrunt (Post 1800342)
Any thoughts on the chances we vote this down and get the pay rates anyway? Isn't that what happened with the FAs?
No guarantees. We can though expect essentially the Green Book provisions, superior pay to UAL and the possibility (IMO probability) that at some point Parker will come back. If we as a group find that place palatable, then there will be no need to succumb to artificially imposed false deadlines, invalidating the union leadership or any number if other strategies that create FUD.

Just for reference, Parker told Envoy pilots several times last year that "negotiations are over" and came back each time.

Surprise 01-10-2015 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1800357)
Just for reference, Parker told Envoy pilots several times last year that "negotiations are over" and came back each time.
Hey man, when Parker and Kirby say something, you damn well better believe that they mean it.

Except for when they don't.


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