Just trust them

eaglefly

Apparently, many of the usual suspects here consider this no big deal. Some don't think Parker is smart enough to take advantage of this for many routes and if he is, it will be of minimum magnitude. These are CURRENT Delta scales, yes ?

Future Delta rates will make this even more attractive.

Although Parker is an SOB, he's a smart businessman. This pilot group will likely prove itself to be 13,000 unherded donkeys within a year or two. I've pointed these and other aspects out, but was just sharpshooted in an attempt to negate any valid concerns as misguided. I then state I'll be cool with us neutering ourselves and become part of Sheepilots and then am labeled a "victim" crying in the night.

We're preaching to the deaf, dumb and blind and perhaps it's time to simply let this pilot group (all three recognized factions) embrace the destiny they so fervently desire. You can lead a donkey to water.......

Note : It's good to see a few newer members post their concerns with this tainted deal as well, but in all likelihood the majority of this pilot group will choose to emasculate itself believing the poisoned candy they can see and almost now smell will last them forever without killing them.

Route66

The PLAN is to put Delta/United/SWA at a competitive DISADVANTAGE to drive industry rates lower.

Personally I'd LOVE to give the new hire pilots MORE jobs at lower rates that put those three out of business. Delta and United pilots with ALPA are the BANE of the industry and have done MORE damage to the earnings capacity of the profession than we could have ever done at US Airways. Parker and Kirby had a map that the US Airways pilots wouldn't take one for the (ALPA) gipper and we are where we are. Throw in the APA shoving a shift up the a$$ of the TWA pilots and.....VOILA!

INSTANT DECERTIFICATION! He!!, under the RLA you STILL have to pay extortion money to the lawyers at APA and ALPA for doing.....WHAT EXACTLY??? The best money the Company has EVER spent....YOURS!!!

Route66

So...what good is the APA if the APA is....US????

Just trust them

The Delta pay rates are the current, as of 01/01/2015, pay rates, yes.

A trojan-horse for the greedy and stupid. The very same idiots who, when displaced sometime in 2017 to Group 1, will say 'nobody could have seen this coming'.

Oh, and for the idiots who don't see it coming, that Group 1 seat will be yours for a long time. A career defining time in fact. Good luck with that.

eaglefly

Nothing. We agree on that......unless WE (the APA) prove otherwise. If we don't, It's obvious we are unwilling to even defend ourselves let alone advance the DMZ forward. If that's the case, as I stated before there is nothing TO defend or be part of. Again, in that case, I'll join the majority, dig my one-man foxhole as deep as possible and hunker down. I think I'll have a fairly strategic foxhole in 2020, but unfortunately, I'll be unable to venture out and rescue those screaming from less advantageous and more vulnerable positions facing being imminently overrun.

Life's a *****.

eaglefly

That's actually one of the better scenarios. Suppose (considering our siv of a border with Mexico) disaster happens and terrorism hits the airlines again within the next few years muting demand and furloughs happen ?

The cry from the ultra junior would be for the majority (senior 80-95%) to "save their jobs" by concessions elsewhere. Let's hope that doesn't happen, because the answer to that will be no different then the past. Like I said, we're about to solidify the fact that when push comes to shove for most, principle goes sailing out the window and it's every pilot for himself and $$$ talks and bull**** walks.

Route66

The APA and the West want to treat the East pilots differently with THEIR seniority than the New hires. The New hires get DOH but we in the East get the scraps. The APA, ALPA and the West can suffer. They've been trying to shove us under the bus since the AWA/US Airways merger and now it's time for payback. The New hires are getting MORE money to fly E-195 Captain. The East and TWA pilots are going to get more money to fly Group II (and Group IV if the LAPA doesn't like it).

I'm flying Group IV today if the Company calls. Because the New Hire pilots KNOW the LAPA pilots will sell them out just like B scale and the next merger.

It's better to reign in HELL than serve in heaven.

Note to new hires: This union will sell you down the river for a few copper shillings. Get in, take what you can and don't give the APA anything back. They eat their young for dinner.

eaglefly

You're muddying the water only to your own peril. There will be plenty of time to argue over seniority.....or at least a proper time and place. Collectively agreeing to screw ourselves as a group in the long run has no winners, it simply becomes quantifying the degree of loss. The "union" (association) is US and we are about to sell ALL of ourselves down the river. Once that occurs, every swimmer acts to save themselves. Those closer to shore (the older with less to lose) tend to swim to shore without placing themselves at undue risk for altruism.

We all will need to practice our swimming skills and shore placement for 2020. Just sayin..........

fr8tmastr

I can hear it now, "but we were making tons of money, I never though there would be a downturn, I guess will have to give some more concessions to save the company"
this isn't theory either, there are old AWA guys that still insist that because upgrades were at "X" years in 2002, it would remain that way for the entirety of their careers.