PurpleTurtle

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ameri...120000482.html

Doug has:

$8B Cash
$4B profit
$2B stock buy back
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but he refuses to pay $80M for industry standard Caledar Day?

Is that acceptable?

Yes or No? This isn't complicated. Yes or No?

aapilotguy

Unacceptable

SilverandSore

It doesn't matter if it is acceptable. You only get what you negotiate. We got shorted in the crafting of the MOU because APA was so engrossed in removing Horton. The question now is which vote yields more advantages to a majority of the group. Only 4 hours until we find out.

gettinbumped

No dog in fight, and CERTAINLY haven't kept up enough on the negotiations to even have an opinion whether a YES or NO vote is the correct path... but it always seems to me to be a good idea to make sure you can still see the forest from the trees. Voting NO due to an $80M issue if it costs you billions in the long run to "take a stand" isn't a smart business decision. Not saying that is the case here, simply that I DO think these votes are more complicated than this or any other single issue.... Good luck to you guys and gals.

Polarfr8dog

If I was a management guy it doesn't surprise me one bit. Silver said it best. You only get what you negotiate. It's up to the guys/gals that are allowed to vote to strike the "NO" box which lets management know that it's not good enough. But with the big pay raise staring them in the face, some won't be seeing the forest before the trees.

I'm on the outside looking in and my "notice to cancel recall" is sitting in my "mail waiting to be sent box." Personally, if I was allowed a vote it would have been no. But that's beside the point as I've taken all emotion out of it and it's out of my hands. Just like the SLI will be. I'll go to work, fill my coffers, and still hopefully, be able to punch out at age sixty as I'm sitting here in my mid forties.

And for off the street hiring candidates, who knows how this may mess things up. Sure, they're still going to have classes but with 800+ folks watching this vote in the stands I'm sure they're going to be able to fill some classes with the folks like myself.

Tick tock goes the clock . . . .

eaglefly

One vote provides short-term gratification at the expense of long-term devastation and the other means short-term sacrifice for long-term options.

One is short-sighted and stupid and the other requires determination and courage. Soon, we WILL find out what the majority prefer and if it's the former, in 2020, the majority then will have no choice but to do it again. Many of the "no's" of today will be the "yes's" of 2020, the only question is what we will sell then for Delta pay.

I'll be open to just about anything.

JetMonkey

It's totally unaceptable just as profit sharing, full LOS for all furloughes, a standard uniform allowance, the list goes on... BUT, if voting no would make a difference, then that what mine and many like me would click.

The whole take a stand, and that'll show management doesn't cut it with ParKirby... they have absolutely NO problem living with a divided, let's show them, ****ed-off angry pilot group. They've already have and profited nicely from it. Better to wait for section 6 when we're ALL united. They'll drag it out like always so might as well keep more $$$ while we wait.

InformationEcho

Section 6 ain't gonna help the guys toiling on the 190.Section 6 comes around, y'all ain't going to have anything Doug will really have to fight to get from you.

AAG may well end up being largest operator of the E195, with those discounted rates cemented in place for what, two contract cycles?

Y'all be sure and thank the LAX and ORD bedwetters for siding with management and polishing this turd to a blinding sheen and garnishing it with a Pontius Pilate move by the "President".

Not the APA I remember.

Good times ahead kids, enjoy.

eaglefly

It's going to be a loooooong wait. Within a year or two, we'll be in the back of the pack again in pay and work rules, crap LTD, soon to be gutted medical, etc. Parker will kick the can until we cry uncle again and give up what's left for a pay raise. Personally, I hope we can do that ASAP in 2020, because the $$$ will be more important then what we give up then, at least to the majority.

You get what I'm telling you, yes ?

I hope you're 55+ in 2020 looking on that as your exit contract, because if you ARE NOT in that majority, you're ****ed........again.

That's going to be an especially long and painful addition to your parole. See you in 2020.

PurpleTurtle

It's not complicated.

Agree to end negotiations now? Yes or No?

Ignore the CrewNews propaganda. Ignore the APA propaganda.

End negotiations now? Yes or No?

(Too late. You can't change your vote. )