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Grinder10 03-27-2015 01:08 PM

PHL expansion and the death of CLT?
 
With the expansion plan for PHL set to continue, what does this say for the future of the CLT hub?

http://www.eminentdomainpa.com/repeal-is-rejected-in-philadelphia-airport-expansion-case/

jcountry 03-27-2015 02:07 PM

One of the VPs told us in new hire class that CLT is the most profitable hub in the system. So my guess is it ain't going away soon.

(And this included the American hubs-according to this VP.)

PurpleTurtle 03-27-2015 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 1851145)
One of the VPs told us in new hire class that CLT is the most profitable hub in the system. So my guess is it ain't going away soon.

(And this included the American hubs-according to this VP.)

Welcome aboard!

CLT was recently listed as the 7th busiest airport in the world (takeoff and landing events). PHL much lower...


#7. Charlotte/Douglas International Airport Charlotte, North Carolina, United States CLT/KCLT 545,178

#20. Philadelphia International Airport Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States PHL/KPHL 419,253
and by passenger traffic CLT is in the top 25 but PHL isn't even in the top 50. I don't think CLT will fall off the edge of the earth any time soon. :D

encore 03-27-2015 04:37 PM

Yeah, but how much of that traffic that CLT carries has to be in CLT?

Westbound connections can much more efficiently be handled through DFW/ORD.

Europe-bound traffic can much more efficiently be handled through JFK/PHL, especially if PHL expands. And also, for any passengers originating out west, ORD/DFW serve as good connection points to Europe as well.

Heading south, MIA covers just about everything.

Up and down the east coast, you have LGA/PHL/DCA.


It seems to me, the only traffic that needs to be going through is stuff around the central eastern coast. Thats not a whole lot. Sure, right now, those passengers have to connect somewhere, and that place is CLT. But, when synergies come, they're going to be reduced from where they can most easily be done... and that is going to be the cities that don't have a strong local market and need for a hub.

My guess is that CLT survives, at half of its current size.
- All Europe gone, except for maybe 1-2 flights on 767s to LHR... maybe flown by BA or staffed from another base.
- All Caribbean gone, except for the main cities, SJU/MBJ/PUJ/SXM.
- All smaller city west coast flying gone, leaving LAX/SFO/SEA/PHX/LAS.
- Lots of RJs and a only narrowbody mainline pilot base.

encore 03-27-2015 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by Grinder10 (Post 1851085)
With the expansion plan for PHL set to continue, what does this say for the future of the CLT hub?

Repeal is Rejected in Philadelphia Airport Expansion Case

This article is from 2012.

bababouey 03-27-2015 05:43 PM

If they downsize CLT, they'll just be giving DAL the entire southeast, it isn't going anywhere imo


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Veeone2 03-27-2015 06:41 PM

This is most recent:

Philadelphia Airport Redesigns Expansion Plans to Avoid Tinicum Township Homes -

80ktsClamp 03-27-2015 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by bababouey (Post 1851277)
If they downsize CLT, they'll just be giving DAL the entire southeast, it isn't going anywhere imo


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John Carr 03-27-2015 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1851326)
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MANIFEST DESTINY, FOOLS!


"All the land that the light touches, that is Delta's."

"What about that dark area, father?"

"That is Memphis. You must never go there."


Hueypilot 03-27-2015 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by Grinder10 (Post 1851085)
With the expansion plan for PHL set to continue, what does this say for the future of the CLT hub?

Repeal is Rejected in Philadelphia Airport Expansion Case

FWIW, CLT is also expanding. Fourth parallel runway will eventually go in, and then they'll take out RWY 23 and start turning that area into a more efficient terminal layout.

CLT will probably lose a chunk of the international flying, but the domestic flying will likely continue unabated. It's a moneymaker for the company. I seriously doubt it'll decline by half.


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