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Packrat 04-06-2015 06:57 AM
Originally Posted by Route66 (Post 1855197)
I know. There's always a few in any group.

"Crew of thieves". Funny how that works. Same could be said for PHX pilots, or APA pilots, or ALPA pilots, or Envoy pilots, or ______ pilots. The only common word in those groups are....PILOTS.
Yeah, I told my college career counselor I wanted to be a pirate. Next thing I knew I was in Navy flight school. That was when I figured out she was hard of hearing.

PurpleTurtle 04-06-2015 08:03 AM
Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver (Post 1856509)
As much as you may not want to believe it, there was no arbitration process between AA and TWA. I think their handling of that was very poor but out of those ashes rose M&B.

I would never expect a person of your very high moral character to ever lose any sleep of a matter as trivial as making a deal then not honoring it.

WD at AWA
Marty failed repeatedly in the courts at proving the DFR accusation, and he is classy enough to know what that means.. However I suspect he may have known all along it was a contractual issue and never a DFR issue, yet he collected an endless stream of cash from angry, gullible, and emotional marks.. The best kind.

Saabs 04-06-2015 09:56 AM
When people say the east offered the nic to the west but they refused it what do they mean? Was it a modified nic?

Route66 04-06-2015 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1856795)
When people say the east offered the nic to the west but they refused it what do they mean? Was it a modified nic?
No. At the Wye River meeting between East & West they were offered the award with a 10 year fence. The West said absolutely no. Now they got the BASE fence (PHX) and odds are slim that under MB they get anything close because the MOU reset the lists to the three existing lists and the MOU reminds and supersedes all prior contracts.

Hey, Guys....just read the MOU before you respond.

cactiboss 04-06-2015 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1856795)
When people say the east offered the nic to the west but they refused it what do they mean? Was it a modified nic?
The conditions were All furloughs and upgrades would be by date of hire, essentially turning the Nic into a DOH list.

DCA A321 FO 04-06-2015 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by Route66 (Post 1856873)
No. At the Wye River meeting between East & West they were offered the award with a 10 year fence.

I wonder if we'll hit that 10 year mark.

Saabs 04-06-2015 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1856937)
The conditions were All furloughs and upgrades would be by date of hire, essentially turning the Nic into a DOH list.
Sounds like a win for the easy today no?

cactiboss 04-06-2015 06:56 PM
Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1857046)
Sounds like a win for the easy today no?
Nah, we kept them on loa 93 for an extra 7 years.

Justdoinmyjob 04-06-2015 07:14 PM
Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1857100)
Nah, we kept them on loa 93 for an extra 7 years.
That's not really something to be proud of. Y'all kept downward pressure on industry rates for those 7 extra years too.

DCA A321 FO 04-06-2015 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1857109)
That's not really something to be proud of. Y'all kept downward pressure on industry rates for those 7 extra years too.
The west is proud of everything west, they saved US Air and they saved AA, God bless those guys.


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