Withheld pay
 

There is a nasty rumor floating around the LUS side that as of the August permanent bid, if we are withheld, we will not be paid at our higher awarded rate (ie going from group 1 to group 2 aircraft) on our effective bid date. Rather we will be paid at our current group rate until we start training.

Reading the JCBA I found this which I think disproves this rumor.

This is from the JCBA 17, M, 4

4. Effective Date Of Withholding Pay
a. A pilot will be considered withheld commencing with the effective date of the bid status
position from which withheld, and shall as of that date, be paid the highest equipment rate
of pay for the bid status from which withheld or the rate of pay for the flying actually
performed, whichever is greater.
b. Such pilot shall be advised at the time of withholding the reason for withholding and the
estimated duration of withholding.
c. Pilots being withheld shall retain their current bid status.


Any LAA pilots care to chime in since I'm pretty sure this was what you had before. Are we paid at our higher rate on our effective bid date? Or if withheld are we paid at our current rate until training?

I know guys being held on the 757 being paid 330 pay right now and have been for the past year. Hopefully it stays like that.

Yeah, that's how it's been at LUS, rumor is its changing. I'm hoping an AA guy can chime in and say it ain't so.

Hey we all voted yes right?

The senior pilots did. That's the culture at AA...they throw the junior pilots under the bus. And they love doing it.

That would be me :-)

hell no i did not

The "majority" did. That's all that matters.

BTW, if it changes and the company pays you for your old equipment just grieve it! The APA has the Company quaking in its boots.

You'd have a point except a majority of FO's voted for the contract.

You get your awarded pay rates on the day you finish O.E or the effective date of the bid (Aug 1st), whichever comes first.

I believe the only change from the way LUS did things is it is after O.E not first day of training. Of course this only applies if they were to train you in advance of the award date.

I think in the future award dates will be further out and training will be done by that date. Can any LAA guys chime in with how far in advance your awards are. At LUS they are about 2 months and 1 week in advance and since I've been here I haven't heard of anyone even beginning training before the effective date.

AA - The awards are about 1.5 months before the effective date. Training starts befoe the effective date.

The July awards were finalized about 10 day ago. Everyone starts training in June. Ok, there's the rare exception where you won't start your training the month prior to your award date.

'Job preference' bid runs early in the month. IE early May for the July award. Awards finalized about 10 days after the awards close(ie May 15th ish). Training is assigned around the 20th for the June training.

This is all bad info. The East 98 vacancy section of the contract is still in place for this bid, per the APA email that came out with this bid. You will be paid the new higher rate Aug 1 regardless.

The JCBA language for this has not been implemented yet.

so, if the majority wants FCFS aka the USAir IVR we should have kept it right?

The jumpseat is company property. They call the shots. We've had this discussion before so lets move on.

sure is. But it's APA that bullocked it up. Besides, I was referring to what the majority of a group want, not what one despotic wannabe Führer wants!

What does the majority want? Who's the Fuehrer you're talking about?

RE: LAA Withhold Pay

Pay begins the effective date of the bid run and has nothing to do with when training actually occurs. ie: If awarded a bid vacancy effective July 2, 2015, however you are withheld from that vacancy until a future date, say November 2015, you will be paid your new rate effective July2, 2015.

Thanks for the reply.

That's what I was looking for and what I thought. This bid doesn't affect me anyway, I was just curious.