I'm not an east pilot, remember?

I actually can't tell you, I was off doing military duty, I'll let you know tonight. The furlough was actually good for me, I got back in and retired from the military.

It's quite ironic that the LAA proposal is worse for the West than the East's proposal.. And the LAA proposal is worse for the East than the West proposal...

Who is the hater here..? :D

As a consolation I suppose the LAA proposal might not be as bad as the Reno gig. :D

Relax Turtle, we got you. The laa proposal is a very good thing. Didn't you learn anything from your douchebaggery? This isn't a negotiation, it's an arbitration where those that over reach get slaughtered.

The LAA proposal stuck it in deep, again.

I'm not so sure the reaction to the LAA proposal isn't exactly what they expected and desired.

The West has demanded the use of the Nic list as the basis for this integration. Used in the methodology that West proposes a neutral view would conclude its advantageous to the West group at the expense of the LAA group. Now the LAA group has provided the opposite position by using the very list the West has been asking for albeit integrated into the LAA group in a manner that a neutral would conclude it advantageous to the LAA group at the expense of the West group. With the understanding the East suffers in both proposals because the argument with and between the West and LAA is now how the Nic will be implemented with LAA. To a degree it makes the East bystanders as the arbs try to determine if they are going to exclude the East and give either the West or LAA a windfall by using Nic.

What LAA did was two things. They bracketed the Nic list if it's going to be used. It highlighted the West list as one extreme and the LAA list is now the other extreme. This shows how using the Nic list in this integration results in some very major problems about "fair and equatable". LAA then left room for the arbitrators to design modifications based on positions to design a generic list if arbs decide Nic in its pure form is not to be used.

It's safe to assume LAA knows they will not receive the "superior" credit they seek or that in the end longevity will be used as well. Go look at just about every integration. Though the arbitrators ultimately chose one groups foundational argument they blended other groups proposals as well to seek balance.

For East pilots I think this is exactly what they needed. Now the fight of the unreasonableness of using the Nic list is quite obvious to everyone. Just look at this forum even West is opposing the Nic list unless it's used in their manner. An East pilot should see that the LAA group has put the question front and center to the arbs - "who are you going to screw in this fair and equatable process". You going to help the West screw the LAA? The LAA screw the West? Both screw the East?

Stop for a moment and think what has occurred. Everyone is now ****ed off by using SOME form of the Nic list.

Does it make sense for the arbs to now take pieces from each proposal to design a more equatable integration?

Does this now highlight to the arbitrators how difficult the adoption of a pure Nic list makes this integration?

I thought I Already taught you about stove piping and list building? The Nic. is the lus list, doesn't need to be reordered just like the laa list doesn't. You guys are something else, for god sakes go read the cal/ual award to see how this will go down.

Yep.

Lots of people freaking out, but the UAL/CAL and DAL/NWA precedents won't be ignored by the arbitrators.

Heck....you could just plug the lists in to the UAL computer program and have a pretty good idea where it's going to end up.

Of course, that's assuming the arbs aren't awed by the AA guys simply explaining that they are just better than everybody else! :D

That's exactly what the west did. The laa committee simply says the lus pilots status/category are worth only 25% of an laa pilot in the same status/category. I would say west proposal within 5% will be the list.

The west continually overreaches with ad hominem language. Your predicate is rich.