aa73

Laker, you're pi$$ing in the wind. Guys like Route 66 gladly take their UNION-negotiated pay & benefits and run into the company's arms. They've been around since the beginning...they'll be around forever. However - God forbid they ever have any kind of incident or accident and have to depend on their UNION to represent them as the now-unfriendly company and FAA come after them.

Back on topic - The ALPA article got published in the Dallas Morning News and has received industry-wide exposure. This is a very good start.

PurpleTurtle

ALPA is just one more layer of bureaucracy that allows more dirty largesse and corruption.

We have enough dirty tricks at the in house union. Send power up higher to more distant and unelected reps, it will just get nastier.

bogeydriver

Wow. You really need to read Flying the Line I & II. You could use the education about ALPA and corporate greed. In the meantime, I consider you a scab in waiting.


QUOTE=Route66;2076152]Well it seems this thread of "talking about ALPA" is just that. A waste and just TALK. Eastern got SUCKER PUNCHED by ALPA. You started back at the bottom.....RIGHT? So much for YOUR seniority. Canola and his ILK was trying to SHOVE US AIR into the annals of history by short-shrifting us ten years ago. I would rather REIGN IN HELL than serve in heaven under the leadership (whatever that is) over at ALPA. Especially DELTA "LEADERSHIP".

I just LOVE watching you union pretenders needing to show how strong you are. BTW, Roghair is a HAS BEEN and simply cries sour grapes. We don't NEED someone coming in running (and taking OUR money) an organization again when APA and Edgar James is bad enough as it is. Hell, the clerical workers at APA in Dallas can even get the statements in proper ledger format for year end tax returns.

I am doing all I can to make American the BEST without the "union" I got guys calling ME about "the contract" when the "faces" (NOT) down at APA don't know SQUAT about it because they are ASHAMED of the STUPID CONTRACT THEY NEGOTIATED WITH MANAGEMENT BEHIND OUR BACKS TO PARKER AND KIRBY AND YOU "RADICALS" THINK PICKETING IS GOING TO SOLVE ANYTHING NOW??

Yes I'm screaming and LAUGHING at you union wannabes when YOU YOURSELVES....all you UNION WANNABES including you HEROIC EASTERN PILOTS are pattsies for following an inept leadership that gave everything to the OTHER UNIONS at other carriers who told you "hey, take one for the gipper" just like Delta was trying to do for us by having us NOT taking LOA 93 and go out on strike and deep-six OUR Company so you Delta pukes could have MORE.

ALPA, USAPA, APA, Teamsters, blah blah blah. They are all the same.....lawyers blowing HOT AIR!![/QUOTE]

aa73

Disagree 100%. The proof, is quite simply the fact that UAL and DAL have consistently outperformed us every contract cycle the past few decades. Dirty tricks or not, ALPA gets the job done for legacy carriers in good times. Bad times, everyone gets spanked no matter who the union is. Same for financially troubled carriers.

Route66

I've read them BOTH several times and still have them on my shelf. But that was then and this is now.

Deregulation, Gulf War I & II, 9/11 and the Great Recession let alone airline bankruptcies and mergers that short shrift smaller pilot groups and have gutted and eroded whats left of any unity we have.

Its the 21st century. Please try and keep up.

bogeydriver

Couldn't help but notice that you didn't refute my description of you as a scab in waiting. Yes, it's the 21st century, yet nothing has changed from the airmail days. Management hates your very existence. In the infamous words of George Santayana: "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

Cheddar

Ohhhhhhhh, where to begin?


Do you tell the new hires how stupid they are for coming here, or do you save that for an anonymous web board? Honestly, I'm not trying to bust your chops, but you can't have it both ways. If you are saying they agree with you that the APA is broken, this new hire would agree with you too. However, I'm sure you can remember back to the day when you were a new FO and nodded your head in tacit agreement with the CA that went on and on, ad nauseum... Maybe not.

Who's selling you anything? You chose to reply to a thread discussing the merits of switching the acronym on the front door. That's like saying your walking into a car lot knowingly not wanting to look at cars, only to complain about salesmen. Seriously??? Believe it or not, there's probably a lot of us who are inherently adverse to unionism - and you can include me it this category - but I chose to happily accept an offer to work here KNOWING the union was part and parcel with every other grand expectation.

Yeah, caviar is foul, but not germane to the conversation.




And yet, here you are, arguing for the opposition. How would we practice unionism on a web page?




Surely you don't believe that it was all the company's benevolence? No, the APA doesn't pay you, but really??? Wow.

All I can say is the APA is all kinds of screwed up! But wait - uh oh... We are the APA. So how do we get back in the game and make this a better place? If you have figured out a way to get us everything and more than APA, ALPA, or whatever, please impart your wisdom!!!Otherwise, I personally thank you for all you do, and I'll refrain from debasing myself by further suffering a bitter, old fool.

Good day to you sir.


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eaglefly

ALPA alone will not change the AA pilot equation. That equation was solidified in the last interaction with Parker. It's an equation of leverage and ALPA's mere presence alone won't alter that. Either AA pilots gain the ability for legal self-help (virtually impossible) or a significant number of AA pilots and ALPA national accept risk and place themselves in jeopardy which is almost as impossible. That is the ONLY way any recapture of what has been given way will occur without equal payment in other areas. Even if ALPA were on the property for the 2019 openers, it will be 5 years before any resolution to contractual negotiations occurs unless Parker wants it sooner and the only way that will happen is we once again agree to pay for some gains at the expense of others, AKA "cost neutral".

Votng in ALPA is fine, but it's misguided to think it will result in anything until at least 2024 and even then it will require significant risk both among AA pilots and ALPA. Parker will control the show and that is because we ensured he will with our last demonstration of our ability to be manipulated and our willingness to be bought off for pennies on the dollar.

Route66

Yep. I'm a scab in waiting. Typical "sticks and stones" argument. Plenty has changed. The seniority issue at the "new American" has changed the game....whether you like it or not. Oh, if it makes you feel better to relate to your "scab" name calling you "Ku Klux Klan" union racists can just go picket yourselves right off that short pier you pontificate about.

I'm bidding 777 Captain first combined bid I can just to prove to the new hires you don't need to be in a union to make good money and rise to the top. It wasn't ALPA, USAPA nor APA that got ME this job.

Keep living in your Eastern past. I haven't forgotten history. Where reliving it.....the same ole ALPA mistakes that brought us where we are today.

Route66

Good day SIR!