Originally Posted by esadof

Ahh, now we are getting somewhere, you have not seen the "leaked" list. All you got is 3rd hand info so makes sense you guys story doesn't line up.

Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver

The problem with the initial integration is that the east clearly wanted to rebuild their careers on the backs of the west pilot group. The never once budged from their DOH position even after having been told it would not fly. They firmly believe that their most junior reserve first officer who was days away from furlough should have been placed next to our senior captains. They have always felt this was fair. They further felt that all of their furloughed pilots belonged in front of west pilots that were actually flying for the airline.

George had given them every opportunity to be fair and yet they refused every opportunity. The award comes out and they set about the business of holding everything and everyone hostage. It was their rules or no one could play. They dictated at every turn and that nonsense of wye river was the same thing, their way or no way at all. The panel may have taken pity on this time no one knows for sure. They retire at a much greater rate than the other two groups but make no mistake there will be no east massive capture of attrition. I don't see a way where they totally dismiss the last 9 years of activity and give the east a pass on that however stranger things have indeed happened.

WD

Originally Posted by Route66

I know this will fall on deaf ears but here it is.

The M/B process is about fair and equitable at the time of merging three lists into one at the time designated in the contract which is 09Dec2013 per the contract. It is NOT about retribution, revenge or punishment.

You guys can beat everyone over the head with how evil USAPA and the East minions are but the reality is that IF the Arbitrators (plural here) take this to its logical conclusion to deny ALL a fair and equitable solution with something other than three lists only makes for a distrust and demeaning of the arbitration process.

You make whack away now.

Originally Posted by esadof

Is it fair and equitable for the east pilots to benefit from usapa' illegal actions and Dfr when usapa=east=usapa? This SLI rests on the arbs answer to that question

Originally Posted by Route66

Well from what "seems" to me that the extension to the 27th is the arbitrators way of finding a "balance" between three lists which leads me to understand that retribution is not in the cards. Again, it's not about retribution it's about fair and equitable. This is the test the arbitrators stand to lose for their reputation and possible diminution should it go to court and it's found NOT to be fair and equitable for ALL parties. It's a thin line. Let's see if the camel through eye of the needle can come to fruition.

Originally Posted by AWA318

Fwiw, there are not necessarily 3 lists. An often overlooked fact here is that the Company, per a letter from Doug Parker (I wish I had a copy handy; I'm sure someone does) accepted the "Nic Award" and then distributed the agreed upon $300,000 to the AWA and AAA ALPA MEC's.

Also fact, obviously, is that The List was never implemented. I get that. I'll say "personal opinion", this was due 100% due to the "East" withdrawing from negotiations and the formation of USAPA, which despite revisionist history, never intended to push forward a JCBA.

Again, main point. The Arbs may or may not have looked at 2 lists. I don't know. Maybe they did use 3. Just want to point out to those that do not know, in the AWA/AAA merger, the company did in fact accept the "Nic", and put it in writing.

Was implementation vs. not implementation a factor. I don't know.

Originally Posted by Saul Rosenberg

$300,000? Man, you or somebody should ask ALPA to give that money back.