The list is out, what is next?
09-08-2016, 10:17 AM
#22
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Yeah, well if you had said that, instead of the nonsense about someone deliberately going in and stripping away your favorite goodies from contracts that were about to become null, then I would have agreed.
A clean sheet cherry pick the best of every cba approach would have been great, it would still be great next go-round, but in the real world, particularly in the real world of the MOU, the one that both east and west overwhelmingly voted for, that was not going to happen.
Sometimes ya' gotta' step out of Fantasyland and deal with reality.
I am no big fan, but overall, even given the loss of min day/long layover rig and jumpseat weight restriction, this JCBA is way better than what any of the three have had for a very long time.
As for the regional comment, why exactly are people trying so hard to leave there and come here if that is actually true?
A clean sheet cherry pick the best of every cba approach would have been great, it would still be great next go-round, but in the real world, particularly in the real world of the MOU, the one that both east and west overwhelmingly voted for, that was not going to happen.
Sometimes ya' gotta' step out of Fantasyland and deal with reality.
I am no big fan, but overall, even given the loss of min day/long layover rig and jumpseat weight restriction, this JCBA is way better than what any of the three have had for a very long time.
As for the regional comment, why exactly are people trying so hard to leave there and come here if that is actually true?
09-08-2016, 10:46 AM
#23
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Position: Always Fly With Favorite Captain
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
Respectfully they have denied pilot travel while on Extended sick leave. It's rare.
I came home form training one time with a head cold, called in sick for sim ride (called the flt office) no big deal. Easy.
In MIA we had a senior 777 CA in 2014 advanced cancer called and asked the Flight Office if he could go to Europe and say goodbye to friends. CP said No. Chiefs Initials SS.
That CP last year was removed from MIA CP to LAX CP until they found out (accusation) improper use of A pass travel. He was then Fired from LAX CP and retuned to line to Never be a check airman again.
But in general travel while on sick with Flight office approval is granted.
2008 one of my UAL friends did a stand instead furlough. He then asked me for a D3. So does UAL furloughees get 10 years non-travel?
Not totally disagreeing with Sliceback but there are some denials.
I came home form training one time with a head cold, called in sick for sim ride (called the flt office) no big deal. Easy.
In MIA we had a senior 777 CA in 2014 advanced cancer called and asked the Flight Office if he could go to Europe and say goodbye to friends. CP said No. Chiefs Initials SS.
That CP last year was removed from MIA CP to LAX CP until they found out (accusation) improper use of A pass travel. He was then Fired from LAX CP and retuned to line to Never be a check airman again.
But in general travel while on sick with Flight office approval is granted.
2008 one of my UAL friends did a stand instead furlough. He then asked me for a D3. So does UAL furloughees get 10 years non-travel?
Not totally disagreeing with Sliceback but there are some denials.
09-08-2016, 10:48 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by Frip
Yeah, well if you had said that, instead of the nonsense about someone deliberately going in and stripping away your favorite goodies from contracts that were about to become null, then I would have agreed.
A clean sheet cherry pick the best of every cba approach would have been great, it would still be great next go-round, but in the real world, particularly in the real world of the MOU, the one that both east and west overwhelmingly voted for, that was not going to happen.
Sometimes ya' gotta' step out of Fantasyland and deal with reality.
I am no big fan, but overall, even given the loss of min day/long layover rig and jumpseat weight restriction, this JCBA is way better than what any of the three have had for a very long time.
As for the regional comment, why exactly are people trying so hard to leave there and come here if that is actually true?
A clean sheet cherry pick the best of every cba approach would have been great, it would still be great next go-round, but in the real world, particularly in the real world of the MOU, the one that both east and west overwhelmingly voted for, that was not going to happen.
Sometimes ya' gotta' step out of Fantasyland and deal with reality.
I am no big fan, but overall, even given the loss of min day/long layover rig and jumpseat weight restriction, this JCBA is way better than what any of the three have had for a very long time.
As for the regional comment, why exactly are people trying so hard to leave there and come here if that is actually true?
I definitely agree that the MOU laid the groundwork for a crappy JCBA.
I also understand how beat down the pilots were after all the bankruptcies. They would have passed absolutely anything to get some extra bucks to head into the sunset with.
I just wish the union did a better job in negotiations. I am still amazed that is all we got.
09-08-2016, 10:58 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by Arado 234
I agree! Contrary to AA73 who I respect very much, I do believe the change is due with the group aka individuals and not with the union structure. No more "we have always done it this way", "not invented here? Can't have it then", "gotta move to base" AND "you'll be senior someday, son!".
Is change in the air? I'm afraid to take a peek over on C&R!
Is change in the air? I'm afraid to take a peek over on C&R!
09-08-2016, 11:05 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by jcountry
I am still amazed that is all we got.
But, I've been watching them longer.
That said, it was a BK exit contract, and I'm not sure that anyone saw oil prices falling the way they did, and that is a big huge chunk of the profits we're seeing now. Good thing too, imo. It is hard to imagine how the last couple or next couple of years would go if not for that, or if some really negative event happened.
09-08-2016, 12:05 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by Frip
I'm amazed that we did get what we did, and surprised they didn't muck it up worse than they did.
But, I've been watching them longer.
That said, it was a BK exit contract, and I'm not sure that anyone saw oil prices falling the way they did, and that is a big huge chunk of the profits we're seeing now. Good thing too, imo. It is hard to imagine how the last couple or next couple of years would go if not for that, or if some really negative event happened.
But, I've been watching them longer.
That said, it was a BK exit contract, and I'm not sure that anyone saw oil prices falling the way they did, and that is a big huge chunk of the profits we're seeing now. Good thing too, imo. It is hard to imagine how the last couple or next couple of years would go if not for that, or if some really negative event happened.
I guess it's a matter of perspective.
09-08-2016, 08:38 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by encore
LOL "Lets take the contract (policies, procedures, management, software, name, etc) of the bankrupt failure airline and use it as the basis for the future"
Second must ridiculous thing posted here today, congrats
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