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Old 09-09-2016, 07:13 AM
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I had prepared myself. I'd figured it would be relative. I do not have problem with it. My guess at my SLI # came within 100 of what I thought.
I'm lucky. My whole career, I've led a charmed life.
I'm going to enjoy today and tomorrow and not even care whether I make WB CA ever.
I'm single no kids and have a smoking hot date tonight with a beautiful younger woman.
I waited a long time at AA for my turn to be a CA. I am enjoying it very much even though i'm not in love with the 737.

Throughout the years I've called and emailed people (pilots) but the AA pilots are not engaged.
I emailed and phoned 2 people on the AASLISIC. I wrote a letter to Richard Bloch.

I did something. It didn't help. I will still try to make this profession better.
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Old 09-09-2016, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 7576FO View Post
I had prepared myself. I'd figured it would be relative. I do not have problem with it. My guess at my SLI # came within 100 of what I thought.
I'm lucky. My whole career, I've led a charmed life.
I'm going to enjoy today and tomorrow and not even care whether I make WB CA ever.
I'm single no kids and have a smoking hot date tonight with a beautiful younger woman.
I waited a long time at AA for my turn to be a CA. I am enjoying it very much even though i'm not in love with the 737.

Throughout the years I've called and emailed people (pilots) but the AA pilots are not engaged.
I emailed and phoned 2 people on the AASLISIC. I wrote a letter to Richard Bloch.

I did something. It didn't help. I will still try to make this profession better.
Hope more are thinking this way.
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Old 09-09-2016, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 7576FO View Post
I'm going to enjoy today and tomorrow and not even care whether I make WB CA ever.
Couldn't agree more but some guys over on C&R act like their penises will fall off if they don't make WB CA.
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Old 09-09-2016, 12:54 PM
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If anyone has an argument it seems like it would be the East.

Forget the NIC and DFR. Even the arbs state that is outside the charge of their authority.

The arbs acknowledged their "charge" (page 38) was the "facts of this merger" not of the 2005 merger.
As a result the Nicolau was what was fair and equatable for the AWA/US merger in 2005 but not for integrating
the East, West and AA pilots in 2016 based on considerations of fairness and equity as of December 9, 2013 (page 38).

Then the arbs later proceed to make decisions on construction of "this" list in 2016 based on events prior to this merger (pages 40/41). This seems contrary to their previous explanation of their "charge".

The biggest issue I see is there explanation of "fairness" by using a 85/15 hybrid integration of the East and West list and then use the exact same percentages for the LUS and LAA merger.

How can they conclude that the merging of a pilot group that has greater "sweat equity" service (LOS) (page 39) and LWB positions with a group that has far less LOS and no LWB should be done on a 85/15 and then when merging two other groups (LAA and combined LUS) where one group has LWB on a percentage basis closer to the other carrier and "sweat equity" that in some respects was closer to the other carrier should be done in the exact same percentage (85/15)?

There is no way those two individual merged lists on a "fairness" basis would have resulted in those exact same percentages. Had they concluded a percentage for the first merge and then a different percentage for the second merge it would appeared to have been done in an individual "fairness" basis. However the way it was done appears to be the arbs reengineering the result they wanted to conclude.
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Upsddown View Post
If anyone has an argument it seems like it would be the East.

Forget the NIC and DFR. Even the arbs state that is outside the charge of their authority.

The arbs acknowledged their "charge" (page 38) was the "facts of this merger" not of the 2005 merger.
As a result the Nicolau was what was fair and equatable for the AWA/US merger in 2005 but not for integrating
the East, West and AA pilots in 2016 based on considerations of fairness and equity as of December 9, 2013 (page 38).

Then the arbs later proceed to make decisions on construction of "this" list in 2016 based on events prior to this merger (pages 40/41). This seems contrary to their previous explanation of their "charge".

The biggest issue I see is there explanation of "fairness" by using a 85/15 hybrid integration of the East and West list and then use the exact same percentages for the LUS and LAA merger.

How can they conclude that the merging of a pilot group that has greater "sweat equity" service (LOS) (page 39) and LWB positions with a group that has far less LOS and no LWB should be done on a 85/15 and then when merging two other groups (LAA and combined LUS) where one group has LWB on a percentage basis closer to the other carrier and "sweat equity" that in some respects was closer to the other carrier should be done in the exact same percentage (85/15)?

There is no way those two individual merged lists on a "fairness" basis would have resulted in those exact same percentages. Had they concluded a percentage for the first merge and then a different percentage for the second merge it would appeared to have been done in an individual "fairness" basis. However the way it was done appears to be the arbs reengineering the result they wanted to conclude.
There is no forum for argument, except the web forums.

It's fair, equitable, and contractual. Time to move on. Time is better spent learning PBS and DECS.
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Old 09-09-2016, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 7576FO View Post
I had prepared myself. I'd figured it would be relative. I do not have problem with it. My guess at my SLI # came within 100 of what I thought.
I'm lucky. My whole career, I've led a charmed life.
I'm going to enjoy today and tomorrow and not even care whether I make WB CA ever.
I'm single no kids and have a smoking hot date tonight with a beautiful younger woman.
I waited a long time at AA for my turn to be a CA. I am enjoying it very much even though i'm not in love with the 737.

Throughout the years I've called and emailed people (pilots) but the AA pilots are not engaged.
I emailed and phoned 2 people on the AASLISIC. I wrote a letter to Richard Bloch.

I did something. It didn't help. I will still try to make this profession better.
Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
Hope more are thinking this way.
My way of thinking is similar to his. I ended up at essentially the exact same percentile as on the old LAA list. Overall, I'm good with that.
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Old 09-09-2016, 05:09 PM
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Maybe the TWA and Flow guys could sue for DFR.
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Old 09-09-2016, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dynomonkey View Post
Maybe the TWA and Flow guys could sue for DFR.
Twa guys got screwed the last time around. What do flows have to do with anything ?show up and get your number
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Old 09-09-2016, 08:23 PM
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Allegheny- I won't quote your post here but just want to say thanks for taking the time to cover it. I grow weary trying to explain this. They were at it even over on the Delta thread! Even if one despises USAPA and everything that it stood for, no matter how one feels about the NIC, this is a different situation.
I am just going to bookmark your post and start copy pasting it. I will credit you, of course.
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Old 09-21-2016, 06:02 PM
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Thus far, I am happy to see how well things are coming together and the lack of infighting. Let's keep it that way. We are stronger together, that's for sure.
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