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Old 09-22-2016, 09:36 AM
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Here is an idea. How about we at AA have two pay scales. CA and FO like UPS. Less arguing about seniority and people can bid for quality of life. Why are we are own worst enemy and pay the top 10% way more than the rest. I come from the AF where we get paid the same for flying a C17 or F 16. No seniority *****ing. And why do we have a scale for A380/747?
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Old 09-22-2016, 09:46 AM
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Here is an idea. How about we at AA have two pay scales. CA and FO like UPS. Less arguing about seniority and people can bid for quality of life. Why are we are own worst enemy and pay the top 10% way more than the rest. I come from the AF where we get paid the same for flying a C17 or F 16. No seniority *****ing. And why do we have a scale for A380/747?
As long as it is the wb scale. I've heard if other companies (foreign) doing this. Reduces people chasing airplanes for pay and reduces training; is what I havr heard but have done no research to confirm.
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Old 09-22-2016, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AAC17 View Post
Here is an idea. How about we at AA have two pay scales. CA and FO like UPS. Less arguing about seniority and people can bid for quality of life. Why are we are own worst enemy and pay the top 10% way more than the rest. I come from the AF where we get paid the same for flying a C17 or F 16. No seniority *****ing. And why do we have a scale for A380/747?

I'm all for it
Can't wait for the road shows
The ones where the current wb guys go batpoop crazy that all the light twin drivers are getting all these huge raises and they're only getting "only" some paltry xx % and they should get the same raise the nb pukes are and it just isn't fair.

Think I'm kidding?

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Old 09-22-2016, 12:35 PM
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As long as it is the wb scale. I've heard if other companies (foreign) doing this. Reduces people chasing airplanes for pay and reduces training; is what I havr heard but have done no research to confirm.
Wasn't this the reason Airbus introduced the cross training for the 320 and the 330/340?
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Old 09-22-2016, 04:01 PM
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Arado - no. Airbus doesn't care about internal pay rates. They, and their customers, do care about training cost. 330/340, or 320 - 330/340, is fairly short. The 330 checklist and procedures appear to mimic the 320 stuff exactly. Minor cockpit differences due to fuel and hydraulics.
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Old 09-24-2016, 04:47 PM
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The one drawback about having one pay scale is that it averages everything out. Having multiple pay scales gives you a large selection in how you'd like to weigh Pay vs QOL. Some people want to make a lot of money and work hard. Some people want a part time job and don't care about the money. Others want to go back and forth.

A single pay scale means you're getting what your seniority allows and you have zero control over it other than upgrading.
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The one drawback about having one pay scale is that it averages everything out. Having multiple pay scales gives you a large selection in how you'd like to weigh Pay vs QOL. Some people want to make a lot of money and work hard. Some people want a part time job and don't care about the money. Others want to go back and forth.

A single pay scale means you're getting what your seniority allows and you have zero control over it other than upgrading.
This! Some people want to chase the money on widebodies and some people want to do turns every day.
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I'm all for it
Can't wait for the road shows
The ones where the current wb guys go batpoop crazy that all the light twin drivers are getting all these huge raises and they're only getting "only" some paltry xx % and they should get the same raise the nb pukes are and it just isn't fair.

Think I'm kidding?

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No, I don't think you're kidding. If you can get the majority of folks, like the narrow body pilots, to get higher increase rates in the next proposal go for it. That will probably happen no matter how the top end whines, but then it will be up to the company to agree to it.
Not like it it is much different than past negotiations though. And IMO it might be harder than ever to unify this large splintered group on anything. So good luck...and I mean that in all sincerity.
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