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Old 09-10-2016, 05:04 AM
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I asked a guy who did the grunt work. Category and status is wrong. It has multiple breakdowns instead of the one on the graph.

Apparently(?) that's why the 1300 numbers gap appears between two West classmates? Apparently that's where the Group IV FO c/s ends???
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Old 09-10-2016, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback View Post
I asked a guy who did the grunt work. Category and status is wrong. It has multiple breakdowns instead of the one on the graph.

Apparently(?) that's why the 1300 numbers gap appears between two West classmates? Apparently that's where the Group IV FO c/s ends???
Yes, I believe the gap was due to the west not getting credit for group IV aircraft.
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Old 09-10-2016, 06:53 AM
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Guys,

As an outsider it is very hard to grasp what happened without comparison dates.

If its not too much trouble can someone pick a few hire dates and show how they line up? For example I have buddies hired in 1996 (I think) and 2000 at American.

1996 American guy = xxxx USAIR = XXXX America West
2000 American guy = xxxx USAIR =XXXX America West

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AA DOH 1977= US DOH 1977 (Most senior AA=1,US=8)
AA DOH1985= US DOH 1981 = AWA DOH 1983(most senior AWA 540)
AA DOH 1986 = US DOH1982 = AWA DOH 1985
AA 1990 = US 1985 = AWA 1991
AA 1991 = US 1986 = AWA 1997
AA 1998 = uS 1987 = AWA 1997
AA 2001 = US 2000 = AWA 2005 (most junior AWA 11,593)
AA (TWA) 1989 = US 2008 (third lister)
Bottom US Third Lister appx 13,900

There are some big variations in the list due to Category and Class differences. Total pilots now around 15,200.
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Thanks. That gives outsiders a good overview of how things worked out.

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Adjusted seniority list from union site has 14400 as the total. Perhaps the non-returning Letter T guys were removed?

It has complete birth dates for all pilots along with your seniority as of 1 July of every year to retirement, so a few minutes in excel and you can have your seniority chart.
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Old 09-10-2016, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback View Post
I asked a guy who did the grunt work. Category and status is wrong. It has multiple breakdowns instead of the one on the graph.

Apparently(?) that's why the 1300 numbers gap appears between two West classmates? Apparently that's where the Group IV FO c/s ends???
Trushman was the last stovepiped Group II CA and Swain was the first stovepiped Group III FO at West. The 1300 numbers were some additional Group II CAs, the 1162 Group IV FOs, and some Group III FOs.

If someone doesn't think one number can make much of a difference to your career you might want to talk to Swain.
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^^^^^ ouch.
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Originally Posted by UPTme View Post
Adjusted seniority list from union site has 14400 as the total. Perhaps the non-returning Letter T guys were removed?

It has complete birth dates for all pilots along with your seniority as of 1 July of every year to retirement, so a few minutes in excel and you can have your seniority chart.
Could you provide me a progressive taxi to where I might find the updated list please? I'm a newb to the union site. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Upsddown View Post
If someone doesn't think one number can make much of a difference to your career you might want to talk to Swain.
One number kept me from winning the 1/2 billion $ powerball drawing...... Well that and he fact that I didn't buy an actual ticket.
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