Caught! JetBlue mgt pilots trying to jumpseat
10-21-2016, 05:18 AM
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Caught! JetBlue mgt pilots trying to jumpseat
Jumpseat Alert: License, ID, and Medical Verification
When a pilot from another airline requests jumpseat travel on our aircraft, we are responsible for verifying possession of appropriate documents (valid medical certificate, license, company ID) prior to accepting the pilot in the cabin or cockpit. This verification of possession is extremely important to ensure the individual is indeed authorized for jumpseat travel. (Reference AA Flight Manual Part I for detailed information and procedures.)
Recently, two individuals from another airline, both 65 years old, have attempted illegal jumpseat travel on our aircraft. We remind you that jumpseat travel as an airline pilot is restricted to pilots under age 65. Your continued vigilance is a prudent part of a “cross check” of the jumpseat system.
Immediately report any pilot you catch fraudulently attempting jumpseat travel to the APA Jumpseat Committee and submit an ASAP report.
As always, we appreciate your continued discipline and professionalism as we ensure that all pilots from other airlines who have requested legal jumpseat privileges are afforded that courtesy, just as it is provided to all AA pilots on their respective aircraft.
When a pilot from another airline requests jumpseat travel on our aircraft, we are responsible for verifying possession of appropriate documents (valid medical certificate, license, company ID) prior to accepting the pilot in the cabin or cockpit. This verification of possession is extremely important to ensure the individual is indeed authorized for jumpseat travel. (Reference AA Flight Manual Part I for detailed information and procedures.)
Recently, two individuals from another airline, both 65 years old, have attempted illegal jumpseat travel on our aircraft. We remind you that jumpseat travel as an airline pilot is restricted to pilots under age 65. Your continued vigilance is a prudent part of a “cross check” of the jumpseat system.
Immediately report any pilot you catch fraudulently attempting jumpseat travel to the APA Jumpseat Committee and submit an ASAP report.
As always, we appreciate your continued discipline and professionalism as we ensure that all pilots from other airlines who have requested legal jumpseat privileges are afforded that courtesy, just as it is provided to all AA pilots on their respective aircraft.
According to my b6 source, the company isn't saying anything about it.
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10-21-2016, 07:59 AM
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Can you guys email ALL of the jump seat committee Chairman and all of the Sr. VP's of Flt. Ops at all the part 121 carriers to let them know about them scum bags please?
This is a privilege. If the FAA gets wind of this, they may shut our jump seating down for everyone. Clearly, non current and qualified (retired) former 121 pilots are not supposed to be doing this.
Someone needs to also email jet blue management and let them know. I would personally send them a bill for any improper jump seating if they got away with it.
This is a privilege. If the FAA gets wind of this, they may shut our jump seating down for everyone. Clearly, non current and qualified (retired) former 121 pilots are not supposed to be doing this.
Someone needs to also email jet blue management and let them know. I would personally send them a bill for any improper jump seating if they got away with it.
10-21-2016, 08:47 AM
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They are current and qualified part 91 pilots, but NOT 121, a requirement to be in CASS. Apparently a JetBlue sim instructor was fired a while back for this same thing but because these guys are management (ex company CP and director of ops or something), and still work on behalf of the company (they do repos with actual union pilots in the other seat at times, and still work as negotiators AGAINST the pilots).
I wonder how many times they have done this. They are both retired from the AA system too I am told. At the very least they should lose all travel privileges with AA. The FAA should really act on it as well.
I wonder how many times they have done this. They are both retired from the AA system too I am told. At the very least they should lose all travel privileges with AA. The FAA should really act on it as well.
10-21-2016, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
They are current and qualified part 91 pilots, but NOT 121, a requirement to be in CASS. Apparently a JetBlue sim instructor was fired a while back for this same thing but because these guys are management (ex company CP and director of ops or something), and still work on behalf of the company (they do repos with actual union pilots in the other seat at times, and still work as negotiators AGAINST the pilots).
I wonder how many times they have done this. They are both retired from the AA system too I am told. At the very least they should lose all travel privileges with AA. The FAA should really act on it as well.
I wonder how many times they have done this. They are both retired from the AA system too I am told. At the very least they should lose all travel privileges with AA. The FAA should really act on it as well.
I agree.
They knew they were violating one metric **** ton of security protocols. Criminal violations.
Anyone dumb enough to do this in a post 9-11 world deserves some jail time.
10-21-2016, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Probably because B6 hasn't done their annual CASS update. CASS connects your airline's computer to the requestor's company computer.
10-21-2016, 10:27 AM
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These two clowns are against Pilots at all cost. Please lord , let them crumble cause of this . Makes the rest of US JetBlue guys look horrible .
Thank you AA for catching this .
These are some of the most the hated guys JB has had .
Thank you AA for catching this .
These are some of the most the hated guys JB has had .
10-21-2016, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by viper548
Isn't CASS supposed to be using real time information?
The caveat is: EACH COMPANY is responsible for the people in their CASS database. Fro example, a cargo operator listed their couriers (non-pilots) in their database. That resulted in a courier getting on an offline flight deck. Those pilots ended up getting enforcement action based on the post 9/11 FAR that makes the flight deck Crew responsible for verifying the identity and qualifications for Jumpseat occupancy.
Early in the program, one small operator (mistakenly?) put every single employee from the CEO to the janitor in CASS.
These kind of events make it imperative that all jumpseaters offer their license, medical and CASS ticket to the Captain for his inspection. It is also imperative for one or both pilots to verify the documents if for no other reason than to preclude FAA enforcement action. They'll go after both of us, not just the Captain.
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