Sliceback

CLT is 1,600 pilots
LAX is 1,600 pilots
LGA is 1,325 pilots
PHL is 1,275 pilots


PHL is the primary Europe, and NE to SE hub. I wouldn't lose sleep over it facing, any, let alone a significant, drawdown.

And retirements, even with a drawdown, give a certain degree of protection.

TheRaven

Uhh....the cost of acquisition for the 2 is vastly different. Youre paying for capability you don't need if you replace a 767 with a 787.

TRZ06

Correct on swap but like someone else said, much higher cost. was in Barcelona the other day. Yet another 787 destination from ORD that I didn't know about. East coast to Europe is major overkill for a 787.
IMO Wrong plane for that mission. Guess that's why our competitors US and foreign mostly fly 767s Or A330s. And unless you haul plenty of cargo underneath, the 777 is even less desirable than the 787. Somehow virgin and Norwegian can make it work but I don't see others going that way. If like you point out the A321NEO has the range, it may become the staple for East coast to Europe...PHL, JFK,
and maybe even CLT. Like Paris to NYC you could have two flights a day from instead of just one. More planes, more crews, less wide bodies, there maybe a trend here.

AFPirate

Compared pilot population totals from Jan 17 to May 17 and then out to the 6 month forecast they have posted of Feb 18. Comparing the verifiable data from Jan through May of this year and then looking ahead to the "forecast"...

While the pilot population is remaining stable (13100s)...

Group 2 positions decrease by 45 CAs and 25 FOs. I would think the S80 retirements are somewhat offset by the A320 family additions but not enough to prevent a short term decrease in positions.

Group 3 positions decrease by around 40 CAs and 40 FOs. The 76 fleet is being retired with no Group 3 position pay positions to replace it (the Group 2 A321 replacement debate).

Group 4 CAs have a small decrease while Group 4 FOs have a gain of almost 100. The A330 position numbers are decreasing while the 787 fleet additions are almost keeping it a zero sum game for CAs...787 FOs are forecast to gain nearly 80 positions.

Sliceback

True. But they've already but 787's on at least 6 former 767 routes. With old interiors, no IFE, heavy C check's coming up, they've made the decision that a more expensive 787 is better than the 767-300 option.

All of the new generation a/c being built are bigger, or have more range than needed, for the 767 markets. It's part of the 797/MOM dilemma and decision making process. If you need to replace a 767 today what do you choose?

Sliceback

The 757 is a 4,000 nm plane.
The 321 NEO is a 3500-3700 nm plane.
The 321 NEO LR is supposed to be a 4,000 nm plane.

The LR could be a near Europe platform. :-)

It's a limited option which is why Boeing is supposedly looking at a 5,000nm(hopefully 6,000) 797.

TheRaven

Somehow I think if AAG approached Boeing with an order for 50 767s they could make it happen.....the line is still open producing freighters and tankers. Short of that, you're right....kind of stuck.

Sliceback

767's? True. But I'd think the 330-800 might be a better choice.
And can Boeing deliver any additional 767 airframes with the KC-46 demand? IDK. When would they be available? IDK.

330-800 is selling slowly. AB might have slots and be willing to deal. And how hard will Boeing deal to keep the 330-800 off property by dealing on 787-8/9/10 pricing?

First world problems.

BOGSAT

http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2017/06/11/leaked-american-airlines-memo-aircraft-changes-us-airways-flight-attendants-unhappy/

BOGSAT

More 76T positions to PHL in Oct bid. What is the word when the bid will be integrated to 76 across the board?