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Old 02-01-2017, 08:42 PM   #1  
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How long would it take at AA approximately to go from new hire to flying the 767, 777 or 787? What is the quickest way to get there or what do experienced airline captains recommend to do?
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:18 PM   #2  
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Volunteer to plan the Christmas party, be the exec, fly as little as possible, volunteer for a 365, be the POC for woman's history month..

Oh wait that's the Air Force, disregard!

A buddy of mine could bid 76s in MIA 7 months after INDOC FWIW
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Old 02-02-2017, 03:11 AM   #3  
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They were hiring right into MIA 75/76 for a while a couple years ago. It goes in cycles. But I'd say you can hold MIA 75/76 within 6 months to 1 year from new hire. LGA 75/76 goes a little more senior but still within a couple years. DFW, ORD, LAX are all a lot more senior and it would take a few years. But keep in mind, with the 75/76 draw down this is all subject to change.

This is just for 75/76 (group 3.) 777/787 (group 4 flying) is a whole different animal and takes much longer, several years.
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Old 02-02-2017, 05:16 AM   #4  
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The 777/787 are a pretty long wait right now, in fact, most (not all) of the junior FOs on those fleets could hold narrow body CA in one place or another, and some of the senior FOs on widebody fleets could also hold CA on those same fleets . The most junior 777 FO that I'm seeing is just below 11,000 in the company, so 4000ish numbers from the bottom. That will obviously start to trend down as retirements start to increase. The 787 is more senior than the 777.

The 767 is much more junior, in MIA we sent new hires into it for a good chunk of 2014. It's still fairly junior, but not new hire junior these days, some mid-2015 hires are on it in MIA and some mid-late 2014 hires in PHL.
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Old 02-02-2017, 05:28 AM   #5  
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The 330 in CLT seems to be every bit as senior as the 777 with the junior man pushing 11,000, and in PHL it's just below 12,000.

The upside of the long haul widebody fleets being pretty senior is that it pushes group 2 CA slots more junior.
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Old 02-02-2017, 06:49 AM   #6  
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Makes you wonder if American Paid on Years of Service like Lufthansa and a few others. Would senior guys would job off of them? Time Zones changes kick my butt. You folks have at it.
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We park 9 767s and 17 757s this year. It might take a while to get on the 767. 777 goes to about 10,600. Based off of projected retirements a new hire would get there in a little over 6 years. We have more 787s coming and the A350 as well. We have 112 group 4 planes right now and that goes up to 125 this year, 126 in 2018, 131 in 2019, 136 in 2020, 141 in 2021, 146 in 2022. I think it's overly optimistic to assume they will all come as scheduled. They've already deferred deliveries because they aren't ready for more large airplanes right now.
PBS is coming to the bigger bases and as people realize how bad it is for those on the bottom and how good it is for those on top, I think more people will choose to stay senior on smaller planes, making those junior group 4 FO spots go more junior.

All things considered, I'd guess someone hired now could get group 4 in 5-6 years.
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The 330 in CLT seems to be every bit as senior as the 777 with the junior man pushing 11,000, and in PHL it's just below 12,000.

The upside of the long haul widebody fleets being pretty senior is that it pushes group 2 CA slots more junior.
The 330 numbers are slightly skewed. Prior to the merger, we had fairly new guys able to bid onto the 330 (I'm a Jan 2013 hire and would have been 4 from the bottom on it). They got bumped off a couple of bid cycles later. They now have reinstatement rights to it.
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Old 02-02-2017, 07:56 AM   #9  
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If we had LOS for pay, I think those WB jobs would go very junior. Why would anyone beat the crap out of their body for the same pay as just flying easy domestic NB stuff?

Sure it's 9 on/21 off but ya gotta remember, the first couple of days off are spent just recuperating and getting back on your time zone sleep schedule.

I'm with ya, I tried intl for 4 years and it absolutely trashed me. Once I switched back to NB domestic I was never even remotely as tired as I was doing the Europe/SA stuff.

Intl should really should be done at a younger age. Once you hit your 40s you should ideally start ratcheting down the long haul flying to where you're only flying easy domestic turns your last few years prior to retirement.
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The 330 numbers are slightly skewed. Prior to the merger, we had fairly new guys able to bid onto the 330 (I'm a Jan 2013 hire and would have been 4 from the bottom on it). They got bumped off a couple of bid cycles later. They now have reinstatement rights to it.


Yep and the guys who got bumped to 190 captain have been getting group 4 fo pay for over 2 years now.

I'm still kicking myself for not bidding it back then. Best deal out. And those guys won't be able to hold G4 fo again for a while so they will be keeping the pay until they can.
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