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CGPiloto99
02-22-2017, 04:40 PM
Gentlemen and Ladies,

I am entertaining an offer to be 1 of 3 pilots for a Part 91 job. Starting pay is $125,000 with a promise of a raise in 1yr. I'm typed and current. Info on corporate pilots salaries is scarce on the google machine, although NBAA will sell it for $250 to members.

I understand the reluctance to talk/compare numbers in the open, but I feel that their offer is low. No raise is guaranteed so I can't bank on an unknown figure 1 yr into the job.

Current Gulfstream pilots, please respond or PM me with your salary and benefits package. I'm trying to figure out my true market worth and not jump on a 'good' deal. If I went to the majors, I know I could be making $125k by year 2 & I also understand the flying is completely different (considerably more, union represented, more input on your schedule, etc).

I'm transitioning from military to ....some other flying job. Weighing options: Airlines vs Corporate.

Thank you all for your professional advice.


RJSAviator76
02-22-2017, 06:22 PM
Gentlemen and Ladies,

I am entertaining an offer to be 1 of 3 pilots for a Part 91 job. Starting pay is $125,000 with a promise of a raise in 1yr. I'm typed and current. Info on corporate pilots salaries is scarce on the google machine, although NBAA will sell it for $250 to members.

I understand the reluctance to talk/compare numbers in the open, but I feel that their offer is low. No raise is guaranteed so I can't bank on an unknown figure 1 yr into the job.

Current Gulfstream pilots, please respond or PM me with your salary and benefits package. I'm trying to figure out my true market worth and not jump on a 'good' deal. If I went to the majors, I know I could be making $125k by year 2 & I also understand the flying is completely different (considerably more, union represented, more input on your schedule, etc).

I'm transitioning from military to ....some other flying job. Weighing options: Airlines vs Corporate.

Thank you all for your professional advice.

125k for G550 pilot, especially for typed and current, is so 2008.

You can make that in your first year at some majors with some OT.

galaxy flyer
02-22-2017, 06:54 PM
Where is it based? 125k wouldn't be out of the box, if you didn't have a type and currency. 150k is more like, mayb 170k in a big city--NYC or LAX

GF


Vital Signs
02-23-2017, 12:58 AM
180k Minimum to start.

1800-2500/day contract

RI830
02-23-2017, 05:08 AM
To many variables to "stick" a number to it.
An experienced 550 PIC in a big city can fetch 170K an upwards.

On average, a 550 PIC makes 150K. They may be tossing 125K your way cause your new into corporate from the military. Ask for 150K and then meet in the middle at 140K.

SrfNFly227
02-23-2017, 05:30 AM
Pro Pilot salary survey says GV/550 Corporate Captain is low 114k, average 149k, high 187k.

As others have said, location and other benefits would make a difference. If this is in BFE, 125 is low, but in the ballpark. In a big market, it doesn't even come close for someone who is typed and current.

BPWI
02-23-2017, 05:39 AM
125k salary? Total compensation? You need to discuss any STI's, LTI's, bonuses, ect. 127k is the 25th percentile salary midpoint range via the latest 2017 numbers (Captain IV). With all of the addition of all other benefits, you should have a total direct compensation of 146k to maintain the 25th percentile.

Flyer49er
02-23-2017, 06:07 AM
125k salary? Total compensation? You need to discuss any STI's, LTI's, bonuses, ect. 127k is the 25th percentile salary midpoint range via the latest 2017 numbers (Captain IV). With all of the addition of all other benefits, you should have a total direct compensation of 146k to maintain the 25th percentile.G550 is "Jet V" on NBAA and the 2017 numbers aren't out yet.

$125k is VERY low, even in a rural area, $155k rural (min) and $180k-$200k in a major city is more in line. NYC or Bay Area, $225k+ (base salary) minimum.

JTwift
02-23-2017, 06:43 AM
How do you even break into these? A bunch of networking and a bit of luck?

galaxy flyer
02-23-2017, 07:02 AM
flyer49er,

That's a bit high, I'm from the NE and 225+ is full-up captain or chief pilot, not entry level.

To the OP, you can probably ask for 10% more after you get some answers on the whole package. Be real specific on bonuses, a friend looks like he might get hosed because he wasn't.

GF

Mink
02-23-2017, 07:55 AM
Where is it based? 125k wouldn't be out of the box, if you didn't have a type and currency. 150k is more like, mayb 170k in a big city--NYC or LAX

GF

This^^. We've started guys near the above "big city" number for GLEX.

I'd negotiate for more (140 - 150?) and have apps in at the airlines. Start the corp gig, and if an airline calls and it seems like a better upside, then you have some leverage and can vote with your feet if necessary.

Good luck.

galaxy flyer
02-23-2017, 08:07 AM
Mink is bang on target. Have an out, especially if you are new at this. Ask about the operation, IN DETAIL. You want to know if it is a "managed" plane thru Jet or EJUM; if so, does the owner charter it. If so, details. If it's chartered, you may find yourself flying 20+ days some months. Or, the owner might charter it to his extended family for Christmas EVERY year. If it is true corporate plane (Fortune 100) there are some stability, but plenty of private owners are also wedded to having a plane--ask about ownership, type of use, international ops (do they have a Jepp or UVAir contract) or is each trip a "science project" for you.

There are large-cabin bizjets that cruise NYC-PBI every weekend and there are some that spend all summer in Nice or South America, you want to know which it is.

GF

Mink
02-23-2017, 08:14 AM
I came from the military to corporate; have learned some lessons along the way. Ask about bonuses, guaranteed days off, health and dental, 401K. Are they paying for a type rating? If not, walk away. Do they have an Ops Manual or some set of procedures? Maybe some of these questions are not appropriate for the first interview, but if it gets to looking / feeling like a job offer, be sure to dig deep. Don't be a "just happy to get a flying job" guy. Times, thankfully, have changed.

BPWI
02-23-2017, 09:46 AM
G550 is "Jet V" on NBAA and the 2017 numbers aren't out yet.

$125k is VERY low, even in a rural area, $155k rural (min) and $180k-$200k in a major city is more in line. NYC or Bay Area, $225k+ (base salary) minimum.

Not referring to the NBAA numbers, nor their Jet V status. I'm using the 2017 numbers from the IBM. The OP can PM if he has further questions.

And yes, those numbers are high if we are talking principal salary.

PotatoChip
02-06-2018, 04:15 PM
Thread bump.

Same question, except... G550 First Officerposition, big part 91 corporate flight department, NYC metro area.

New to corporate but significant 121 experience and advanced education.

galaxy flyer
02-06-2018, 04:36 PM
125-140 without a G550 rating; 150-175 with it and time on type. With the understanding on a salary bump with captain qualification. But, huge amount depends on the “intangibles”—expense policy, schedule, charter when not operating 91; do you feel comfortable about them. I earned, by salary surveys and experience, under NE salary, but loved the work, the people, the experiences, the 30 minute commute and a “no contribution” pension enough that it worked.

GF

PotatoChip
02-06-2018, 04:45 PM
125-140 without a G550 rating; 150-175 with it and time on type. With the understanding on a salary bump with captain qualification. But, huge amount depends on the “intangibles”—expense policy, schedule, charter when not operating 91; do you feel comfortable about them. I earned, by salary surveys and experience, under NE salary, but loved the work, the people, the experiences, the 30 minute commute and a “no contribution” pension enough that it worked.

GF

Thank you.
This would be a 30 min commute. Small airport (ie not TEB). No charter. Talked with a few of the pilots and they are quite happy. I’m very excited, but also want to give a reasonable expected pay. Appreciate the info.

galaxy flyer
02-06-2018, 07:38 PM
Thank you.
This would be a 30 min commute. Small airport (ie not TEB). No charter. Talked with a few of the pilots and they are quite happy. I’m very excited, but also want to give a reasonable expected pay. Appreciate the info.

Also, I’ve been out of the market for a year and I know it’s changing rapidly to the good.

GF

landlover
02-14-2018, 06:20 PM
Thread bump.

Same question, except... G550 First Officerposition, big part 91 corporate flight department, NYC metro area.

New to corporate but significant 121 experience and advanced education.

G550 FO jobs in the NYC area have a large variation. I'ver heard $85k ranging to $135k. best of luck!

billsaw
02-14-2018, 08:25 PM
I would go to the airlines. Seems like a no brainer to me. Somewhere in your second or third year you'll make what you are in corporate with way better benefits, QOL, you can call in sick, easier job, etc etc etc.

Who would consider going to corporate if your qualified for the majors?



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