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Route66
03-17-2017, 01:04 PM
I thought I'd repost the links to Flying the Line Vol. 1 & 2 along with the APA history. These are pretty good reads (although a little disjointed at times) you should all bring on an overnight layover to refresh your memories about "union" realities.
https://www.alliedpilots.org/AboutUs
Flying_The_Line_1 (http://www3.alpa.org/publications/Flying_The_Line_1/)
http://www3.alpa.org/publications/Flying_The_Line_II/Flying_The_Line_II.pdf

Of course, this history will soon be lost to the eternity of electronic gobbledegook.


TonyC
03-17-2017, 01:51 PM
If you are trying to establish or portray yourself as a voice of reason, you are failing miserably.



The large group of pilots that don't belong to the APA don't g-a-s about ALPA either. Stripping us third class citizens of our seniority means we jump ahead of the rest when you go on strike.




The only way to "jump ahead of the rest when you go on strike" is to cross the picket line. Is that what you aspire to be, the very definition of scab?

Despicable.




I'm LUS. I was around here when ALPA was WELL ENTRENCHED ...


Unions are the political BANE of society and soon the law will change that I won't have to pay a nickel in union dues. NOT ONE PENNY.


... I for one is joining the GREED wagon.







I hate GREED.




You are obviously confused.





For those of you who do not believe your union is worth spit (like the APA or ALPA) you can keep ALL OF YOUR MONEY. These unions have been crapping on the junior people, the Regionals, OR selectively giving greater seniority "payola" to their CHOSEN FEW for many years.







... the TRUE definition of "scab" is EXACTLY what the righteous APA/ALPA pilots did to US Airways and TWA pilots.

My agenda is against the discriminatory BEHAVIOR of labor unions against their minorities. The APA stripped me and many other of my seniority if FAVOR OF THEIR MAJORITY. While the physical actions and racial overtones of Jim Crow were certainly much WORSE than that of our cause, the practice by APA and ALPA are of the same discriminatory ilk. And to that I say if your one of them, and you support that action, them you are what the union defines as a "SCAB". PURE AND SIMPLE.







... unions don't represent me, they don't represent the American worker (anymore) and the only way to hold their feet to the fire is make them work for the dues money. The APA has done more to damage and screw up the contract we have then I could EVER have done.







... I don't want to be a member of such a disfuntional group ...








... the National Right to Work Act ... eliminates the mandatory dues payments by non-members, of which I am one.


I am anti-union, anti-ALPA, anti-APA ...





Your anger issues are obviously clouding your judgment.






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Route66
03-17-2017, 02:08 PM
If you are trying to establish or portray yourself as a voice of reason, you are failing miserably.



The only way to "jump ahead of the rest when you go on strike" is to cross the picket line. Is that what you aspire to be, the very definition of scab?

Despicable.







You are obviously confused.



















Your anger issues are obviously clouding your judgment.






.

WOW! If I didn't know better I'd say you're stalking me.
Anger issues? how about reality?
I pointed out that:
The Fido program is probably going to lose funding and why.
The history of pilot unions haven't changed a bit.....if you read the history.
And soon, if you weren't aware, the NRTW act is going to pass and the pilot union coffers will be drained.
That NAI is going to become a major threat to ALPA and the rest.
That American has no LEGAL objection to make opposing NAI (you wouldn't know this unless you are an American employee and can watch the crew news)

My point has been ALWAYS that if the pilots don't think about SOP'S, fundamental foundational principles and why they keep getting their "you know what" kicked by management(S) (plural) they are will ALWAYS BE on the losing end of things. APA is fractionalized. Anyone who works here will tell you that. Why should ANYONE throw money at associations who provide LITTLE TO NO BENEFIT to the rank and file???

I would LOVE the new hire pilots to know that they have a stable and prosperous future but stripping fractional pilots and the smaller merged components of airlines of our dignity and to that the legacy for new hire pilots is nothing but a nebulous endeavor for their futures.

Say what you will, but these FACTS remain. Toughen up. You're going to need it.


GogglesPisano
03-17-2017, 04:04 PM
He also advocates for "Right to Work" (for less) legislation which is slowly rearing by its ugly head on the national scale.

A real pilots' advocate and trade unionist.:rolleyes:

Karnak
03-17-2017, 04:39 PM
He also advocates for "Right to Work" (for less) legislation which is slowly rearing by its ugly head on the national scale.

A real pilots' advocate and trade unionist.:rolleyes:

...or just a troll.

My advice: Don 't feed them.

Route66
03-17-2017, 04:52 PM
...or just a troll.

My advice: Don 't feed them.

And ergo, like I said: Pilots will continue to stick their head in the sand. All these changes I'm trying to WARN you of and I'm the enemy. Damn, you guys will always fall for the circus show slight of hand.

Route66
03-17-2017, 04:53 PM
...or just a troll.

My advice: Don 't feed them.

Yeah. Don't feed them. Just go back to the same ole, same ole.

GogglesPisano
03-17-2017, 04:55 PM
And ergo, like I said: Pilots will continue to stick their head in the sand. All these changes I'm trying to WARN you of and I'm the enemy. Damn, you guys will always fall for the circus show slight of hand.

Nope. Wrong. You've been debated and soundly defeated on other threads. You're either a teenage troll or highly medicated. In either case you're unable to string a single substantive argument together in a single post.

We're moving on without you. My advice is to try another hobby. Golf, or Minecraft.

Route66
03-17-2017, 05:17 PM
Nope. Wrong. You've been debated and soundly defeated on other threads. You're either a teenage troll or highly medicated. In either case you're unable to string a single substantive argument together in a single post.

We're moving on without you. My advice is to try another hobby. Golf, or Minecraft.

You're moving _____ without me. True dat!

Jaded N Cynical
03-18-2017, 06:35 AM
Poor RT66, his APA union didn't treat him nice. Now he's on an anti-union crusade.



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