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Archer
03-26-2017, 05:02 AM
I am looking to find the language in the old PWA and the new TA, specifically for the retirement healthcare change.

I'd like to know what Hawaiian used to have, and how their new VEBA language reads.. anyone have these docs or maybe just the excerpts?

Thanks!

Archer


Rama
03-26-2017, 09:50 AM
The quick answer is the old plan continued the medical plan like a regular pilot (HMSA, Kaiser) paid by the pilot.
New plan is a health savings account valued at
240k for those retiring now. A lump sum is placed in an account accruing interest with a target sum based on the pilot retiring at 65.
New hires get a flat $5k invested in their account.

Archer
03-26-2017, 10:28 AM
Do pilots contribute to it involuntarily at $1/hr? Would their excess 415c contributions go into their accounts? Does the company contribute any more beyond this intial $100M?

Is there any way you could maybe email me the language?


NikeBuddy
03-26-2017, 11:05 AM
What account does the 401K yearly overage go into?

BugsBunny
03-27-2017, 10:02 AM
Can someone provide a copy of the new contract or maybe the highlights? New FO?CA rates? etc.
Thanks for the help

getrichflytryin
03-27-2017, 02:51 PM
Typing this on my phone so I'll have to keep it brief.

All below 12 yr. Capt Pay

717 - 210 to 247 @ End of contract
321 - 235 to 275
767 - 240 to 281
330 - 290 to 337

FO pay 50-70% of Capt (year 2-12)

The Health retirement is mostly for guys on prop now. New guys get a one time 5000 contribution to HRA.

First year pay is still 36/hr.

Schedules are 12 days off for new hire. Middle of the pack 15 off. Top 25% 17 maybe 18 days off a month.

Can usually bunch days off as a reserve of senior line holder.

NikeBuddy
03-27-2017, 04:09 PM
With a new Trip Rig of 3.5/1, that would equal 6.85 pay credit per day, no?

At a max credit of 90 hours allowable by the company, that equals 13 days on duty. Am I missing something on how Trip Rig works? (FYI Duty Rig is 60%)

rockhopper
03-27-2017, 04:30 PM
With a new Trip Rig of 3.5/1, that would equal 6.85 pay credit per day, no?

At a max credit of 90 hours allowable by the company, that equals 13 days on duty. Am I missing something on how Trip Rig works? (FYI Duty Rig is 60%)

that math works if your trip starts at midnight and ends at 1159pm

in practice, for 3 day west coast trips that start midday and get back midday two full days later. 48/3.5=13.7 and change

NikeBuddy
03-27-2017, 04:46 PM
Thanks Rock

El Guapo
03-28-2017, 09:54 AM
Can someone please post the new rates?

Riverside
03-29-2017, 01:57 PM
Can someone please post the new rates?

They've been posted.

strafe
04-07-2017, 05:54 PM
All our rates are below the majors, our union lied to this group, paid a bribe, and this POS passed.

We work at least 6 days more than our peers and we get paid less, give up days off for vacation and training and suffer from a union that really does not support the pilot group or the language of the contract.

We will never, ever, match our equals in pay and quality of life issues in the most expensive place to live in the country.

Apply if you wish, but keep you resume' polished and get the [email protected]#$K out of here while you still can.

ridinhigh
04-07-2017, 07:39 PM
beat it

filler

El10
04-15-2017, 12:24 PM
All our rates are below the majors, our union lied to this group, paid a bribe, and this POS passed.

We work at least 6 days more than our peers and we get paid less, give up days off for vacation and training and suffer from a union that really does not support the pilot group or the language of the contract.

We will never, ever, match our equals in pay and quality of life issues in the most expensive place to live in the country.

Apply if you wish, but keep you resume' polished and get the [email protected]#$K out of here while you still can.

When you say majors, who are you referring to?

runinonfumes
04-17-2017, 12:04 PM
Would someone be willing to share some details of the contract please? I.e. Min days off for line holders vs reserve, vacation, sick and commuting clause...

A p.m. Would work too if it's more convenient...

Thanks for the help

kingairfun
04-17-2017, 07:03 PM
Would someone be willing to share some details of the contract please? I.e. Min days off for line holders vs reserve, vacation, sick and commuting clause...

A p.m. Would work too if it's more convenient...

Thanks for the help

75 hrs min line value, 12 days off per month minimum.

If you are too junior to get to 75 hours in 18 days you can give up days off voluntarily ( still no guarantee you'll get a line) OR go on reserve.

Seniority is moving quickly. I'm a slightly more senior FO and generally get 14-16 days off depending on if I chose 2 day trips to the West Coast. Or internatinall 3-4 day trips. Very senior FO's can pull 18 days off doing NY Beijing and SYD pairings.

Not real sure on vacation accruel. There are maximum limits to how much you can carry over per year, depending on longetivity.

Sick accruel is somewhere around 7hrs/ month. Sometimes if too many pilots call in during a month, you may lose the accruel if you call in sick as well. Even if that was the first time you used it. Kinda sucks, but doesn't really come up as an issue most months, as far as I know.

This is off the top of my head, so may be off a bit or old language.

No commuter clause. If you planned on commuting, most of our pairings start around noon, and get done around 11am on the 2nd or 3rd day..

And just so you know, and because there is always someone on here who complains about the commute....IT'S TYPICALLY A 5-6HR FLIGHT FROM THE WEST COAST, WE ARE GENERALLY 85% FULL. WHEN WE GET THE NEO'S?? THAT'LL BE THAT MANY FEWER SEATS. Hawaii is an expensive place to live. A commuter clause is not on the horizon...

That should just about sum up commuting

ridinhigh
04-18-2017, 09:18 AM
All good info.

The sick accrual is 7.5hrs a month if you don't call in sick.
We are, and will continue to be over the threshold, percentage wise, to accrue any time in a month you do call in sick.
But our bank can accumulate to about the largest in the industry. Basically free Short term disability insurance. (6 months maybe?)

runinonfumes
04-18-2017, 11:44 AM
Thanks for the info guys!
One more question if you dont mind? Can you drop trips to open time and go below the 75 hour min? (I assume of course your pay would reflect the less then 75 min pay for that month)

Chris99
07-19-2017, 01:42 PM
Thanks for the info guys!
One more question if you dont mind? Can you drop trips to open time and go below the 75 hour min? (I assume of course your pay would reflect the less then 75 min pay for that month)Bump...

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av8tor55
07-19-2017, 05:22 PM
Bump...

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No.

Filler

Southbay
07-19-2017, 08:33 PM
No.

Filler

You can trade away trips to drop below 75hrs, but no lower than 65hrs. This is only with another pilot picking up the trip.

Surfer leave is sometimes available if a category is overstaffed (none are right now). It pays 37.5hrs for taking the entire month off (i.e. No flying).

Blueskies67
08-24-2017, 11:57 AM
Did you guys have a signing bonus or back pay with the new contract?

magneto
08-28-2017, 01:36 PM
Did you guys have a signing bonus or back pay with the new contract?

No and no
First yr pay is still $36/hr

av8tor55
08-28-2017, 04:05 PM
No and no

First yr pay is still $36/hr



No signing bonus. But we did get retro back to the amendable date.

magneto
08-28-2017, 08:53 PM
No signing bonus. But we did get retro back to the amendable date.
So how much do new hires get now?

av8tor55
08-28-2017, 09:15 PM
So how much do new hires get now?



$36. First year pay didn't change.

sACKtis
08-29-2017, 01:34 PM
$36. First year pay didn't change.

What is new hire pay and what hotel do they put you up in?

av8tor55
08-29-2017, 02:27 PM
What is new hire pay and what hotel do they put you up in?



3,600 cents/hr. Kuhio Park Terrace.

kingairfun
08-29-2017, 03:52 PM
Reading comprehension not required.

305FLYBRO
08-30-2017, 06:57 AM
Reading comprehension not required.
Blahahahahahaha. C'mon Hawaiian, bump that first year pay up $5K at least. ;)



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