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Shindo
04-03-2017, 07:16 AM
Might be time to do what was done in the majors section in the regional section. The entire front page are just megathreads about a few airlines that have dozens of pages. Can't sort the information properly.


jgdeleon09
04-03-2017, 03:24 PM
Agreed, +1

Swakid8
04-03-2017, 06:46 PM
Think it would be a great idea, it would make searching for answers easier, easier to browse


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nmarconato
04-05-2017, 02:50 PM
Might be time to do what was done in the majors section in the regional section. The entire front page are just megathreads about a few airlines that have dozens of pages. Can't sort the information properly.

Hey, thanks for the feedback! Interesting! How would we be doing that? We have many more regional airlines than major, and we fear that it would be very hard for users to get access to the threads/posts if we list all the regional airlines...

nmarconato
04-05-2017, 03:02 PM
Granted the change in the Regional main thread.

Are there other changes to the thread/category structure of the Community that you'd think we should be considering?

Thank you!

TransWorld
04-05-2017, 07:53 PM
Here is my suggestion. Sub-forums for regionals that have 500 pilots or more. That would be 13 of the 25 listed. (As a comparision, Majors have 8, which may one day become 10 if Frontier and Allegiant get added).

Here would be my proposed list:
Air Wisconsin
Compass
Endeavor
Envoy
ExpressJet
GoJet
Horizon
Mesa
Piedmont
PSA
Republic
SkyWest
Trans State

This would cover 95% of the pilots. My guess 80% of the threads (there are always some general topics plus the smaller regionals).

Your thoughts?

TransWorld
04-05-2017, 08:20 PM
In my opinion, as time goes on, the number of sub-forums will stay at 13 or reduce. No other airlines are close to the 500 pilot threshold. It is hard to envision a startup that would grow to 500 pilots. Regionals will go out of business or merge as the majors recruiting kicks into high gear in the years ahead. Again, just my thoughts.

Swakid8
04-05-2017, 08:50 PM
Or group them like this..... For example:

(TSA, GoJet, and Compass)
Skywest
ExpressJet
Endeavor
Republic
(Envoy, PSA, and PDT)
Mesa
Air Wisconsin
Horizon


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nmarconato
04-06-2017, 05:22 PM
(As a comparision, Majors have 8, which may one day become 10 if Frontier and Allegiant get added).


Should we be adding Frontier and Allegiant to Majors?

nmarconato
04-06-2017, 05:25 PM
Here is my suggestion. Sub-forums for regionals that have 500 pilots or more. That would be 13 of the 25 listed. (As a comparision, Majors have 8, which may one day become 10 if Frontier and Allegiant get added).

Here would be my proposed list:
Air Wisconsin
Compass
Endeavor
Envoy
ExpressJet
GoJet
Horizon
Mesa
Piedmont
PSA
Republic
SkyWest
Trans State

This would cover 95% of the pilots. My guess 80% of the threads (there are always some general topics plus the smaller regionals).

Your thoughts?

I like it. Thank you for taking the time to share!
I think 13 is a long list, but still a manageable number. I'll play w/ my internal UI/UX team and run the idea around and I'll get back to you soon. Like, in a week or so. Thank you again. Nick

nmarconato
04-06-2017, 05:29 PM
Or group them like this..... For example:

(TSA, GoJet, and Compass)
Skywest
ExpressJet
Endeavor
Republic
(Envoy, PSA, and PDT)
Mesa
Air Wisconsin
Horizon


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Sure, this can be done. But, if I may, what would your preferred option be? Would it make your life easier to have a list of 13 of the largest Regional, like @TransWorld (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/2337194-post6.html) says?

Thank you! N

Swakid8
04-06-2017, 05:31 PM
I think TransWorld would be easiest to navigate so I prefer his.


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TransWorld
04-06-2017, 08:42 PM
Should we be adding Frontier and Allegiant to Majors?

My opinion, yes. Then all of the "significant" (I realize that is a relative term) LCC would have their own sub-forms, in addition to all the legacies. Have you heard feedback on how the Spirit sub-forum is doing? People like it?

Shindo
04-09-2017, 11:36 AM
Hey, thanks for the feedback! Interesting! How would we be doing that? We have many more regional airlines than major, and we fear that it would be very hard for users to get access to the threads/posts if we list all the regional airlines...

I like transworlds idea the most. Give the biggest regionals their own forum.

Shindo
04-09-2017, 11:37 AM
Sure, this can be done. But, if I may, what would your preferred option be? Would it make your life easier to have a list of 13 of the largest Regional, like @TransWorld (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/2337194-post6.html) says?

Thank you! N

I would say keep them separate. 13 largest regionals their own forums.

BeechPilot33
04-09-2017, 05:02 PM
I like transworlds idea the most. Give the biggest regionals their own forum.

13 regionals would be a great idea. Most of the original threads of those companies were created by guys who don't work for the company anymore. It would make it look more professional and organized.

If Spirit gets their own forum I think the other two should also get their own as well.

nmarconato
04-11-2017, 04:28 PM
Ok, thanks All.

nmarconato
04-14-2017, 02:51 PM
Announcement is out (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/help-forum/announcements.html) on this. Thanks.

deltajuliet
04-16-2017, 08:30 PM
Two suggestions based on the announcement.

1.) Maintain a Union Talk forum.

2.) Can we get rid of or decrease that 15 second wait between searches?

flightview
04-16-2017, 09:55 PM
Two suggestions based on the announcement.



1.) Maintain a Union Talk forum.



2.) Can we get rid of or decrease that 15 second wait between searches?



I also dislike the wait between searches.

nmarconato
04-17-2017, 07:14 AM
Two suggestions based on the announcement.

1.) Maintain a Union Talk forum.

2.) Can we get rid of or decrease that 15 second wait between searches?

1) Yes. We are not changing the main structure/threads of the "Airline Pilot Forums" meta thread

2) Yes. Totally. We have been working on it. Searches will perform much much faster. Thanks for mentioning. Let us know what you think as soon as we deploy. Thanks.

nmarconato
04-17-2017, 07:17 AM
I also dislike the wait between searches.

Yep. Confirmed. That's currently an issue. It will be over soon, please keep us posted. Thanks for the feedback and sorry about this, it must have been frustrating.

BravoPapa
04-17-2017, 07:24 AM
Yep. Confirmed. That's currently an issue. It will be over soon, please keep us posted. Thanks for the feedback and sorry about this, it must have been frustrating.

Yeah, all that takes is changing it in the admin area in the settings for the forum. 15 seconds between searches was probably the default setting.

nmarconato
04-17-2017, 05:09 PM
Yeah, all that takes is changing it in the admin area in the settings for the forum. 15 seconds between searches was probably the default setting.

Thank you. I wish it could be *this* simple... ;)
It wasn't *that* difficult, I won't go into the details, but it did involve development work. More soon. Nick

nmarconato
04-18-2017, 04:27 PM
1) Yes. We are not changing the main structure/threads of the "Airline Pilot Forums" meta thread

2) Yes. Totally. We have been working on it. Searches will perform much much faster. Thanks for mentioning. Let us know what you think as soon as we deploy. Thanks.

On 2)
a) I confirm that searches will be performing much faster
b) I also had a chance to review this limitation that prevents users from searching continuously and they have in fact to be waiting for 15 seconds. I agree, that's annoying. We should identify what that is and remove. We are working on it. Thanks for the feedback.

nmarconato
04-18-2017, 04:28 PM
Changes on subforums have started to happen.

We will finalize tomorrow. Have a look and let us know what you think.

Thank you. N

TransWorld
04-18-2017, 08:00 PM
Looking good so far. Work in progress. I think 3 months from now most everyone will appreciate the big improvements it makes (or accepts it as the norm and becomes totally blind to it). Both ways are good results. Everyone's work is appreciate!

Tpinks
04-20-2017, 02:33 PM
Most of the regional airline sub forums just disappeared

nmarconato
04-20-2017, 03:52 PM
Most of the regional airline sub forums just disappeared

Hey, no worries, they'll be all back tomorrow/early next week.

It takes longer than expected to allocate/assign the threads to the different Sub-forums, so we'll have to be taking one Airline at a time. More soon, stay tuned. Thanks.

Tpinks
04-20-2017, 03:59 PM
Hey, no worries, they'll be all back tomorrow/early next week.

It takes longer than expected to allocate/assign the threads to the different Sub-forums, so we'll have to be taking one Airline at a time. More soon, stay tuned. Thanks.

Just be careful as there was an active thread in the republic one.

Five93H
04-20-2017, 04:26 PM
Can we get the Endeavor one titled "Endeavor Air"?
Thanks...

nmarconato
04-21-2017, 06:31 AM
Can we get the Endeavor one titled "Endeavor Air"?
Thanks...

Yes, on it. Thanks.

nmarconato
04-21-2017, 06:33 AM
Just be careful as there was an active thread in the republic one.

Thank you. Can you please clarify? What happened to the thread? Which thread? We shouldn't have deleted any thread.... thanks for your help! Nick

Tpinks
04-21-2017, 11:14 AM
Thank you. Can you please clarify? What happened to the thread? Which thread? We shouldn't have deleted any thread.... thanks for your help! Nick

The republic forum had a thread already started in it before you removed the sub forum. It's not really that big of a deal as it only had two posts and it was a simple Q/A type thread.

nmarconato
04-21-2017, 05:07 PM
The republic forum had a thread already started in it before you removed the sub forum. It's not really that big of a deal as it only had two posts and it was a simple Q/A type thread.

Oh OK, got it. You mean, and please correct me if I am wrong, that we created the sub-forum, and someone created a new thread, which disappeared once the "Republic" forum got deleted.

Yeah, sorry about that. We created all the sub-forums and then we realized that it takes longer than we had anticipated to move threads into that.

Not sure we can retrieve that thread at this point, what was it about, can you re-open that in the section, and we will be moving it to the sub-forum for Republic as soon as we re-open that.

We'll have to be more careful next time.

Thank you, have a great weekend!! N

tom11011
04-28-2017, 01:11 PM
Have you considered the long term impact this will make with your ad revenue?

nmarconato
04-28-2017, 03:40 PM
Have you considered the long term impact this will make with your ad revenue?

Interesting question.

Well, assuming the user experience improves, that's better for the site and the community in the long run.

Do you like the changes? Are you able to find what you are looking for faster and more efficiently now? Are you happier now than before?

If the answer to the questions above is "yes", I guess this is a good change.

The assumption is that, as a happier user, you'll be more likely to return to the site, spend your quality time on the site and consume more content, consume more pages and interact w/ other users.

Make sense? Hope so, let me know what you think.

Why are you asking, if you don't mind sharing?

What's your take on this? What impact would you be expecting? Do you think I'd be loosing ad revenues through this change? Or making more? How so?

I have checked total # of threads and # of posts, they are solid, though it is early to tell. I'd be waiting a week or 2 and then run a more granular analysis.

Thank you.

N

flightview
04-28-2017, 11:38 PM
Have you considered the long term impact this will make with your ad revenue?



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nmarconato
04-29-2017, 07:53 AM
https://m.popkey.co/254bd5/47E8D.gif

:D thanks!

tom11011
04-30-2017, 05:58 AM
Interesting question.

Well, assuming the user experience improves, that's better for the site and the community in the long run.

Do you like the changes? Are you able to find what you are looking for faster and more efficiently now? Are you happier now than before?

If the answer to the questions above is "yes", I guess this is a good change.

The assumption is that, as a happier user, you'll be more likely to return to the site, spend your quality time on the site and consume more content, consume more pages and interact w/ other users.

Make sense? Hope so, let me know what you think.

Why are you asking, if you don't mind sharing?

What's your take on this? What impact would you be expecting? Do you think I'd be loosing ad revenues through this change? Or making more? How so?

I have checked total # of threads and # of posts, they are solid, though it is early to tell. I'd be waiting a week or 2 and then run a more granular analysis.

Thank you.

N

I don't come here looking for a specific forum or topic. Sometimes I'm the original poster but most times I come to see what's new and participate in an interesting topic. But now most topics are hidden in new layers.

By making it more efficient for the user, I suspect that the amount of page views will decrease. This will lead to less ad impressions. Less ad impressions will lead to less clicks. Less clicks will lead to less revenue.

My suggestion would be to eliminate the airline sub forums if you see a decline in page views or revenue.

nmarconato
04-30-2017, 02:56 PM
I don't come here looking for a specific forum or topic. Sometimes I'm the original poster but most times I come to see what's new and participate in an interesting topic. But now most topics are hidden in new layers.

By making it more efficient for the user, I suspect that the amount of page views will decrease. This will lead to less ad impressions. Less ad impressions will lead to less clicks. Less clicks will lead to less revenue.

My suggestion would be to eliminate the airline sub forums if you see a decline in page views or revenue.

Thank you. And thanks for sharing your experience. Good points.

We have different users and user experiences on the site, I'll do more research and see what I (and the site) can do for you/your experience. Will get back to you soon, I have a few ideas, but I'd like to review and be comprehensive.

Last question for you: what device(s) do you usually browse the site w/?

Generally speaking though, and back to the original topic, I am more interested in users coming back to the site.

Page views is sometimes tricky to decipher because a decrease in PVs may sometimes be the result of a better user experience. How so? If the user finds what the user needs easily, than it takes fewer clicks per session, as such fewer PVs per session. Is this bad? I don't think so.

I'll do more research and I'll get back to you soon. Bestest. N

tom11011
05-01-2017, 04:37 AM
Thank you. And thanks for sharing your experience. Good points.

We have different users and user experiences on the site, I'll do more research and see what I (and the site) can do for you/your experience. Will get back to you soon, I have a few ideas, but I'd like to review and be comprehensive.

Last question for you: what device(s) do you usually browse the site w/?

Generally speaking though, and back to the original topic, I am more interested in users coming back to the site.

Page views is sometimes tricky to decipher because a decrease in PVs may sometimes be the result of a better user experience. How so? If the user finds what the user needs easily, than it takes fewer clicks per session, as such fewer PVs per session. Is this bad? I don't think so.

I'll do more research and I'll get back to you soon. Bestest. N

To answer your direct question, I would estimate that 70% of the time that I visit this site, I use a good old fashion computer with web browser. The other 30% I would be on my cell phone.

If I may ask, why did you make the change to begin with?

Lastly, I want to supply a little information about the users of this site (as I see it) to help you better understand us. This is not all encompassing. Pilots who work at the regional airlines are trying to get to the major airlines. In doing so, some pilots will quit their job at a regional and go to work at another regional if it is perceived that will help them on their journey to get to a major quicker. Pilots at regionals might have a preference for which major they want to work at, but generally will go to the first major to offer them the job (there is only a handful of choices so you generally do not say no when offered). This is why I'm a little skeptical about the website change, regional pilots generally want to keep informed as to what is going on at all the majors and will click interesting topics if they see them. They also participate in other regional airline topics.

Major airline pilots want to forget as quick as possible their regional experience and will generally never look back to the regional forum, maybe every once in a while for some nostalgia. Basically, the entire regional section is dead to the major airline pilot since they have made it. A newly hired major pilot may linger for a few months, but that generally goes away pretty quick.

In summary, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people who come to this forum do not know what they are looking for most of the time. It's not like a search engine where you type in a topic and get zeroed in to what you are looking for immediately. They come here to waste a little time, blow off a little steam, and participate in interesting topics as they come up.

Another thing I just thought of is these changes may also mean that a user spends less time on the site as well.

And this reminds me of another topic to bring up since you are listening. The vast majority of the ads I'm seeing is for ads that basically entice a user to "come work at our regional airline". These ads are fine in the regional forum. But they are the wrong ad in the major forum. A major airline pilot working for United, Delta, American, Southwest etc.. has made it. They are NEVER going to click an ad enticing them to go backwards and work for a regional. Its a waste to show those ads there. You should be showing ads for expensive toys and hobbies as they now have large dollars to part with.

nmarconato
05-02-2017, 12:00 PM
To answer your direct question, I would estimate that 70% of the time that I visit this site, I use a good old fashion computer with web browser. The other 30% I would be on my cell phone.

If I may ask, why did you make the change to begin with?

Lastly, I want to supply a little information about the users of this site (as I see it) to help you better understand us. This is not all encompassing. Pilots who work at the regional airlines are trying to get to the major airlines. In doing so, some pilots will quit their job at a regional and go to work at another regional if it is perceived that will help them on their journey to get to a major quicker. Pilots at regionals might have a preference for which major they want to work at, but generally will go to the first major to offer them the job (there is only a handful of choices so you generally do not say no when offered). This is why I'm a little skeptical about the website change, regional pilots generally want to keep informed as to what is going on at all the majors and will click interesting topics if they see them. They also participate in other regional airline topics.

Major airline pilots want to forget as quick as possible their regional experience and will generally never look back to the regional forum, maybe every once in a while for some nostalgia. Basically, the entire regional section is dead to the major airline pilot since they have made it. A newly hired major pilot may linger for a few months, but that generally goes away pretty quick.

In summary, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people who come to this forum do not know what they are looking for most of the time. It's not like a search engine where you type in a topic and get zeroed in to what you are looking for immediately. They come here to waste a little time, blow off a little steam, and participate in interesting topics as they come up.

Another thing I just thought of is these changes may also mean that a user spends less time on the site as well.

And this reminds me of another topic to bring up since you are listening. The vast majority of the ads I'm seeing is for ads that basically entice a user to "come work at our regional airline". These ads are fine in the regional forum. But they are the wrong ad in the major forum. A major airline pilot working for United, Delta, American, Southwest etc.. has made it. They are NEVER going to click an ad enticing them to go backwards and work for a regional. Its a waste to show those ads there. You should be showing ads for expensive toys and hobbies as they now have large dollars to part with.

Very interesting. Thanks for the details. I'll review and get back to you.

flightview
05-03-2017, 02:34 PM
I don't come here looking for a specific forum or topic. Sometimes I'm the original poster but most times I come to see what's new and participate in an interesting topic. But now most topics are hidden in new layers.



By making it more efficient for the user, I suspect that the amount of page views will decrease. This will lead to less ad impressions. Less ad impressions will lead to less clicks. Less clicks will lead to less revenue.



My suggestion would be to eliminate the airline sub forums if you see a decline in page views or revenue.



If you use Tapatalk on your mobile device, it makes viewing new threads simple, under the New Posts tab. Which is what I use.

Beaverbeliever
05-05-2017, 03:55 PM
I like the new subforums as it will in time make it a lot easier to find threads on a specific topic way better than the megathreads that exist for the regional airlines.

nmarconato
05-05-2017, 05:25 PM
To answer your direct question, I would estimate that 70% of the time that I visit this site, I use a good old fashion computer with web browser. The other 30% I would be on my cell phone.

If I may ask, why did you make the change to begin with?

Lastly, I want to supply a little information about the users of this site (as I see it) to help you better understand us. This is not all encompassing. Pilots who work at the regional airlines are trying to get to the major airlines. In doing so, some pilots will quit their job at a regional and go to work at another regional if it is perceived that will help them on their journey to get to a major quicker. Pilots at regionals might have a preference for which major they want to work at, but generally will go to the first major to offer them the job (there is only a handful of choices so you generally do not say no when offered). This is why I'm a little skeptical about the website change, regional pilots generally want to keep informed as to what is going on at all the majors and will click interesting topics if they see them. They also participate in other regional airline topics.

Major airline pilots want to forget as quick as possible their regional experience and will generally never look back to the regional forum, maybe every once in a while for some nostalgia. Basically, the entire regional section is dead to the major airline pilot since they have made it. A newly hired major pilot may linger for a few months, but that generally goes away pretty quick.

In summary, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people who come to this forum do not know what they are looking for most of the time. It's not like a search engine where you type in a topic and get zeroed in to what you are looking for immediately. They come here to waste a little time, blow off a little steam, and participate in interesting topics as they come up.

Another thing I just thought of is these changes may also mean that a user spends less time on the site as well.

And this reminds me of another topic to bring up since you are listening. The vast majority of the ads I'm seeing is for ads that basically entice a user to "come work at our regional airline". These ads are fine in the regional forum. But they are the wrong ad in the major forum. A major airline pilot working for United, Delta, American, Southwest etc.. has made it. They are NEVER going to click an ad enticing them to go backwards and work for a regional. Its a waste to show those ads there. You should be showing ads for expensive toys and hobbies as they now have large dollars to part with.

Need more time, been busy w/ the release that we are staging for next week. thanks, happy cinco de mayo and have a great weekend!!

tom11011
05-09-2017, 05:31 AM
Need more time, been busy w/ the release that we are staging for next week. thanks, happy cinco de mayo and have a great weekend!!

I think you have your answer right here.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/103035-sub-forums.html

Although user reaction to the changes is mixed, it seems activity is down which is not good for business.

nmarconato
05-09-2017, 06:04 AM
I think you have your answer right here.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/103035-sub-forums.html

Although user reaction to the changes is mixed, it seems activity is down which is not good for business.

I don't know, it's hard to say... I see # of posts and threads are still strong, not clear that we are experiencing an impact on performance yet.

if I look at the comments, it seems it's a mixed bag. I think the answer lies, at least for the regional, in a UI/UX approach, where I'd change the template of the page to be able to accommodate both experiences: the users who wants to browse by "airline" and the ones who'd rather just see the list of topics.

Question: the 2 experiences are still on the page, first you'd be hitting the categories, by scrolling, you'd be seeing the list of threads.

The scrolling certainly adds a little bit of extra work.

Questions for you:
A) Do you see the most recently updated threads, when you scroll down?
b) Is the scrolling down the only extra step preventing you from enjoying the full list of threads, or are there other "impediments" that I should consider?

Thank you for your time and feedback.

Nick

tom11011
05-09-2017, 01:14 PM
I don't know, it's hard to say... I see # of posts and threads are still strong, not clear that we are experiencing an impact on performance yet.

if I look at the comments, it seems it's a mixed bag. I think the answer lies, at least for the regional, in a UI/UX approach, where I'd change the template of the page to be able to accommodate both experiences: the users who wants to browse by "airline" and the ones who'd rather just see the list of topics.

Question: the 2 experiences are still on the page, first you'd be hitting the categories, by scrolling, you'd be seeing the list of threads.

The scrolling certainly adds a little bit of extra work.

Questions for you:
A) Do you see the most recently updated threads, when you scroll down?
b) Is the scrolling down the only extra step preventing you from enjoying the full list of threads, or are there other "impediments" that I should consider?

Thank you for your time and feedback.

Nick

If you have the ability to allow the user to choose whether or not to see the subcategories, that might be a big win. I assume that means that all the posts from all the subcategories would simply be shown in one place, in the main category.

To answer your question, "do I see the most recently updated threads", I do see recently updated threads below the subcategories. But I'm not sure what you mean by asking that. Will I only see those below the subcategories if someone decides to post there (not in one of the subcategories).

For B, the answer is no. I don't mind scrolling at all. The crux of the issue the way I see it is having to take the extra step of going in and out of each subcategory to see what is happening at all the airlines.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the people who do not like the subcategories are the ones who want to see what is going on at all the airlines.

TransWorld
05-09-2017, 03:31 PM
I like to see what is happening at all the RJs. I like the subforums. (Anyone who has follow this thread the knows this.) I find it is easier to follow with them. Some days I only have time to check out a few RJs. It makes it easier to just look at the ones that interest me the most (both the ones I like and the dumpster fires).

Other days, when I have time to spend, I go through all the RJ subforums and the general uncategoried group. One thing that I am doing to make life easier when I am pretty well caught up is to look at the day/time of the last post. Some airlines may go 2 or 3 days without a post, and then a rash of postings. Others seem to get a dozen every day.

Regarding the perception of fewer postings, you can run metrics. My guess is breaking them into subforums gives an impression of fewer postings, without really much of a change. After all, you look at a subforums with just a couple of unread threads vs. a general uncategoried group with 20 unread threads and it is easy to get the feeling you are looking at fewer posts.

I have seen a diminishing of the number of postings on American, without any changes to it as a subforums. I attribute this to the Seniority List Integration being a done deal, flow and OTS hiring starting in earnest (after all the Letter T furloughs got called back), and AAG getting pay matching Delta and United. Fewer controversies, fewer posts. They need to drag a passenger off the plane to stir more posts. NOT. (I don't wish that on anyone!)

nmarconato
05-09-2017, 04:07 PM
If you have the ability to allow the user to choose whether or not to see the subcategories, that might be a big win. I assume that means that all the posts from all the subcategories would simply be shown in one place, in the main category.

To answer your question, "do I see the most recently updated threads", I do see recently updated threads below the subcategories. But I'm not sure what you mean by asking that. Will I only see those below the subcategories if someone decides to post there (not in one of the subcategories).

For B, the answer is no. I don't mind scrolling at all. The crux of the issue the way I see it is having to take the extra step of going in and out of each subcategory to see what is happening at all the airlines.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the people who do not like the subcategories are the ones who want to see what is going on at all the airlines.

Thank you - got it, you want to see what happens to the threads that are getting updated IN the subforums as well.

Thank you. I'm having meetings internally to see how we can configure this. More soon.

nmarconato
05-09-2017, 04:10 PM
I like to see what is happening at all the RJs. I like the subforums. (Anyone who has follow this thread the knows this.) I find it is easier to follow with them. Some days I only have time to check out a few RJs. It makes it easier to just look at the ones that interest me the most (both the ones I like and the dumpster fires).

Other days, when I have time to spend, I go through all the RJ subforums and the general uncategoried group. One thing that I am doing to make life easier when I am pretty well caught up is to look at the day/time of the last post. Some airlines may go 2 or 3 days without a post, and then a rash of postings. Others seem to get a dozen every day.

Regarding the perception of fewer postings, you can run metrics. My guess is breaking them into subforums gives an impression of fewer postings, without really much of a change. After all, you look at a subforums with just a couple of unread threads vs. a general uncategoried group with 20 unread threads and it is easy to get the feeling you are looking at fewer posts.

I have seen a diminishing of the number of postings on American, without any changes to it as a subforums. I attribute this to the Seniority List Integration being a done deal, flow and OTS hiring starting in earnest (after all the Letter T furloughs got called back), and AAG getting pay matching Delta and United. Fewer controversies, fewer posts. They need to drag a passenger off the plane to stir more posts. NOT. (I don't wish that on anyone!)

OK, thank you for the feedback and the insights into the industry trends! I see that we have 2 constituents, who pretty much want to see the same thing, but sorted in a different way. More soon. N

nmarconato
05-10-2017, 02:44 PM
OK, thank you for the feedback and the insights into the industry trends! I see that we have 2 constituents, who pretty much want to see the same thing, but sorted in a different way. More soon. N

Hey All, I confirm that we have found a solution. We will be finalizing everything by the end of May.

We have a release scheduled on Monday 5/15, we will be waiting for the changes to be stabilized and we will then use pre-fixes to "categorize" the threads by Airline, rather than using the current setting which "moves" the threads into the Airline subforum.

It is a lighter categorization option, which labels the threads rather than moving the threads into a specific subforum. As such, we will be replacing the Airline subforums w/ links to the category section of the Airline.

Display:
More information on this will follow, but the front end look-and-feel would look more or less the same: the top part of the Regional section will display the list of the Airlines sorted A-Z.
However, the bottom part will display all the most recently updated threads (including the ones that are categorized by Airline).

Create a new thread:
When creating a new thread, users will be prompted to "categorize" the thread, by selecting a prefix from a drop down menu.

Hope this works, let me know whether this is clear to all, and if you have questions.

Thanks All for the feedback and the support. More soon.

Nick

nmarconato
05-10-2017, 08:51 PM
I don't have much to recommend to the users who are looking for all the most updated threads.... expect for: check the "Today's Posts" section.

You won't be able to see the most recently updated posts for a specific main thread (like: "Regional"), but you can try to sort that out by checking on the column "Forum".

Today's Posts is on the main nav bar on Desktop and Tablet, and on the Hamburger Menu on Mobile. See below.

Hope this helps... N

On Desktop and Tablet
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/members/nmarconato-albums-here-i-am-picture506-today-s-post-desktop-tablet.png

On Mobile
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/members/nmarconato-albums-here-i-am-picture507-hamburger-menu-mobile.png

Swakid8
05-25-2017, 03:13 PM
So subforms are going away with Tapatalk? It's going to be a pain in ass to follow certain airlines.


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nmarconato
05-25-2017, 03:26 PM
So subforms are going away with Tapatalk? It's going to be a pain in ass to follow certain airlines.


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Not sure how Tapatalk is rendering the page, I'll test it out. That being said, pre-fixes are becoming main stream, I'll reach out to them and let you know what they say.

The project is not over yet - we will be adding a drop down menu to browse through the different airline companies. As is on:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/private-sale-trade-buy-classifieds-9/

The Notices section.

Nick

Swakid8
05-25-2017, 03:29 PM
I website format, it's great when I am on web browser. But when I on mobile devices Tapatalk has been the way to go. Maybe I am in the minority of users who use Tapatalk browse the message boards.


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nmarconato
05-25-2017, 03:40 PM
I website format, it's great when I am on web browser. But when I on mobile devices Tapatalk has been the way to go. Maybe I am in the minority of users who use Tapatalk browse the message boards.


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Hold tight. I am looking into that, I just registered to tapatalk and i have submitted a request to their admin, I'll be reviewing what the options are. Thanks for sharing your experience w/ me.

Question: can I ask you why you use tapatalk on mobile, instead of browsing airlinepilotforums.com directly? Thank you.

Swakid8
05-25-2017, 04:02 PM
Simple, notifications when ever I receive a private message. That function still remains with Tapatalk so that's not a issue, but to answer your question. It's easier to respond in a quicker manner once I get a notification vs on the website. Without Tapatalk, I probably would have to set notifications to a email then wait for my device to sync my email, then check my email then go to the website to respond. Tapatalk has simplified that experience for me by just notifying me right directly. I am sure Tapatalk heavy users would feel the same.

The other reason is the ease of following certain sub forums, topics I want to follow. Prior to sub forums I was following the entire regional or in some cases individual mega threads. This can get cumbersome when airlines have multiple threads. At the same time, it can be cumbersome to find information and multiple topics in a mega thread.

Sub forums simplified the ability to follow a entire airline vs following multiple threads or a mega thread for that matter via Tapatalk.

Give you a good example I posted a screen shot of the sub groups that i am interested to keep further tabs on. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170525/f8391a339178a40e599d20158a8c1a7b.png If I was to click Air Wisconsin, I could see all the topics within the Air Wisconsin sub-forum. Now, there are 4 topics that are floating somewhere in the regional sub forums which now I have to follow. This will probably lead back to the creation of mega-threads which in my opinion is a step backwards.

I am probably minority user of Tapatalk however I am a heavy user of it. I am glad that ACP supports the use of it. Hopefully that answers your question.




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nmarconato
05-25-2017, 04:06 PM
Simple, notifications when ever I receive a private message. That function still remains with Tapatalk so that's not a issue, but to answer your question. It's easier to respond in a quicker manner once I get a notification vs on the website. Without Tapatalk, I probably would have to set notifications to a email then wait for my device to sync my email, then check my email then go to the website to respond. Tapatalk has simplified that experience for me by just notifying me right directly. I am sure Tapatalk heavy users would feel the same.

The other reason is the ease of following certain sub forums, topics I want to follow. Prior to sub forums I was following the entire regional or in some cases individual mega threads. This can get cumbersome when airlines have multiple threads. At the same time, it can be cumbersome to find information and multiple topics in a mega thread.

Sub forums simplified the ability to follow a entire airline vs following multiple threads or a mega thread for that matter via Tapatalk.

Give you a good example I posted a screen shot of the sub groups that i am interested to keep further tabs on. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170525/f8391a339178a40e599d20158a8c1a7b.png If I was to click Air Wisconsin, I could see all the topics within the Air Wisconsin sub-forum. Now, there are 4 topics that are floating somewhere in the regional sub forums which now I have to follow. This will probably lead back to the creation of mega-threads which in my opinion is a step backwards.

I am probably minority user of Tapatalk however I am a heavy user of it. I am glad that ACP supports the use of it. Hopefully that answers your question.




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Hey, thanks, can you show me how it looks on tapatalk right now? Thanks, I am looking into this. This would help. Thanks.

Swakid8
05-25-2017, 04:10 PM
Here are screenshots after the recent changes

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170526/76edceff7f6d46535d8a1a362c461e01.png

The air Wisconsin sub forum is now empty. Makes sense since sub forums are gone.

Here is the regional sub-forums

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170526/4833c751f28fe8e7eea277e4f25ca3a0.png


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Swakid8
05-25-2017, 04:13 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170526/b4f13c7beb1b470669082dc0457e299d.png

Now there are threads of topics I don't know which airline they belong to without have to go to the main site first.


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nmarconato
05-25-2017, 04:39 PM
OK, thanks, I'll be working on it. Sorry about that. More soon.

Tpinks
05-25-2017, 09:28 PM
Go back to sub forums...

When you click into a sub category or whatever you call them and then into a thread, you can no longer go back to the main page for just that airline. You only have the ability to go to the regional page in which case you have to reselect the specific airline. Also, now you have to scroll down to see the actual threads because all of the airlines' names alone populate on an entire screen's worth of space.

This new change has not added any new meaningful functionality IMO. You could have essentially gotten to the same point by just typing in the airline name into the search bar as everything is is back to being in one mega forum,except for you have cluttered the screen up.

Initially when I saw the airline name brackets popping up, I thought that was just so that we could see what airline the latest post was made into for each main subforum.

nmarconato
05-26-2017, 07:15 AM
Go back to sub forums...

When you click into a sub category or whatever you call them and then into a thread, you can no longer go back to the main page for just that airline. You only have the ability to go to the regional page in which case you have to reselect the specific airline. Also, now you have to scroll down to see the actual threads because all of the airlines' names alone populate on an entire screen's worth of space.

This new change has not added any new meaningful functionality IMO. You could have essentially gotten to the same point by just typing in the airline name into the search bar as everything is is back to being in one mega forum,except for you have cluttered the screen up.

Initially when I saw the airline name brackets popping up, I thought that was just so that we could see what airline the latest post was made into for each main subforum.

Yes, we are rolling back the changes in the Major forum. Sorry about that. More soon.

Swakid8
05-26-2017, 07:34 AM
I would consider doing the same for the regionals

nmarconato
05-26-2017, 07:35 AM
I would consider doing the same for the regionals

OK, we'll just roll everything back to subforums for now and consider all the ins and outs of this, including the experience for the tapatalk users. Thanks for the feedback. More soon.

nmarconato
05-26-2017, 10:45 AM
OK, we'll just roll everything back to subforums for now and consider all the ins and outs of this, including the experience for the tapatalk users. Thanks for the feedback. More soon.

All rolled back. Is it working back to normal for you on Tapatalk now?

Thanks, have a great Mem day weekend!

Burton78
05-26-2017, 11:03 AM
All rolled back. Is it working back to normal for you on Tapatalk now?



Thanks, have a great Mem day weekend!



I was having the same issues on Tapatalk. It seems to be back to normal. Thanks!

Swakid8
05-26-2017, 12:17 PM
All rolled back. Is it working back to normal for you on Tapatalk now?



Thanks, have a great Mem day weekend!


Appears to be back to normal, wasn't trying to come off rude earlier btw. Sorry if I came off that way.


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nmarconato
05-26-2017, 01:48 PM
Appears to be back to normal, wasn't trying to come off rude earlier btw. Sorry if I came off that way.


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Glad all is back, sorry about the headache and thanks for bringing up tapatalk and your experience. We'll be adding this as a user scenario that we need to test and be comfortable w/ moving forward.

Have a great Memorial Day Weekend and thanks for your help! Keep bringing suggestions, love it! Bestest

Nick

nmarconato
05-26-2017, 01:51 PM
I was having the same issues on Tapatalk. It seems to be back to normal. Thanks!

Good! I am glad! Have a great Memorial Day Weekend!

Nick

TransWorld
05-27-2017, 05:09 PM
Nick & Laura -

Thanks to both of you for doing all this, working with us, and keeping good humor. Roll outs seem like 2 steps forward and 1 step back at times. And we can be difficult to work with, all sorts of needs and wants. ;)

nmarconato
05-28-2017, 09:08 AM
Nick & Laura -

Thanks to both of you for doing all this, working with us, and keeping good humor. Roll outs seem like 2 steps forward and 1 step back at times. And we can be difficult to work with, all sorts of needs and wants. ;)

All good, I'd always take 2 steps forward and 1 step back, especially when decisions can easily be rolled back (like in this case): it's the best (and fastest) way for us to get to know the different users that we serve and adjust accordingly.

That being said, we'll invest more time researching the different type of users on the site.

Thanks for the constant support. More soon.

Nick



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