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View Full Version : Alaska Q1 earnings call today...


IamAlaska
04-26-2017, 05:20 PM
We also need to keep our we survive, as an airline the size we are, by keeping our fares low. So the needle we've been able to thread the last couple of contracts with the pilots, that we will continue to try to thread, is how do we come up with a deal that honors them for the fantastic work that they do, while keeping this company strong and in a way that we can keep growing. that's what we're about and that's what I have to say about that press release. Ben, anything you want to add to that? Brad Tilden Alaska Q1 earnings call today...


OCCP
04-26-2017, 06:02 PM
Apparently we can still grow with the huge pay raises they recently gave themselves!

ImperialxRat
04-27-2017, 12:48 PM
Meanwhile American Airlines is giving their pilots a raise mid contract just because ...


airb320
04-27-2017, 04:08 PM
What AA did is called doing the right thing ! Nothing prevents AS management to do the same as a token of appreciation ! Instead we get Thank you's for all you do... WABoS !

ForeverJunior
04-27-2017, 05:05 PM
What AA did is called doing the right thing ! Nothing prevents AS management to do the same as a token of appreciation ! Instead we get Thank you's for all you do... WABoS !

Typical Angle Lake shenanigans... They will not pay until they have to.

They know their pilot group well. Too many in our ranks still drink the Kool-Aid. Until we are truly unified and demand an industry-leading contract, they will continue to push us around.

Until then, just be thankful that you get Positive Space Travel (PST) passes. WOO HOO!

Packrat
04-27-2017, 09:30 PM
Typical Angle Lake shenanigans... They will not pay until they have to.

They know their pilot group well. Too many in our ranks still drink the Kool-Aid. Until we are truly unified and demand an industry-leading contract, they will continue to push us around.

Until then, just be thankful that you get Positive Space Travel (PST) passes. WOO HOO!

You should have been around when Angle Lake thought it was a good idea to put PayDay candy bars in everyone's Vfile as a Christmas bonus.

Ispeakjive
04-28-2017, 11:29 AM
Seems like BM, BT and other merchants of "information" have an agreement with their BOD that no raises will occur until the absolute last minute. While they speak to us straight-faced, they are holding the line similar to someone with a military security clearance who simply can't or won't address specifics about a certain topic. I'm not referring to the confidentiality of the nuts and bolts of the TA numbers, I'm referring to their overall strategy of stalling. They mask their stalling tactics by speaking of a mystical "process" as if its a high-level machination that we simpletons don't understand.

We get it. You're stalling because you don't want to pay us what we are worth. Management bonuses next quarter will be higher because you delayed the raises. Congratulations, the pilots no longer trust management and our respect for management's ethical compass is shot.

If I understand this correctly, arbitration is binding but mediation is not. Does that mean AAG can and will drag out the mediation "process" and then reject the mediators recommendations? Probably. Think of all the time they can add to their sacred process with actual arbitration.

Is anyone feeling exasperated and hoping that the first TA is worthy of ratification? The company sure hopes so.

Or should the first TA be rejected on principle alone--since management is not trustworthy? I dunno, maybe we can tell them "its a process". BTW, at the beginning of this process, I was an optimist.

The only thing that is transparent is their blood lust to clench every dime out of this deal. This is their payoff for sacrificing workforce morale. Nice work guys, you're on target with your process.

If the company wants to make a show of good faith, make the TA pay retro.

Arctichicken
04-28-2017, 12:25 PM
Seems like BM, BT and other merchants of "information" have an agreement with their BOD that no raises will occur until the absolute last minute. While they speak to us straight-faced, they are holding the line similar to someone with a military security clearance who simply can't or won't address specifics about a certain topic. I'm not referring to the confidentiality of the nuts and bolts of the TA numbers, I'm referring to their overall strategy of stalling. They mask their stalling tactics by speaking of a mystical "process" as if its a high-level machination that we simpletons don't understand.

We get it. You're stalling because you don't want to pay us what we are worth. Management bonuses next quarter will be higher because you delayed the raises. Congratulations, the pilots no longer trust management and our respect for management's ethical compass is shot.

If I understand this correctly, arbitration is binding but mediation is not. Does that mean AAG can and will drag out the mediation "process" and then reject the mediators recommendations? Probably. Think of all the time they can add to their sacred process with actual arbitration.

Is anyone feeling exasperated and hoping that the first TA is worthy of ratification? The company sure hopes so.

Or should the first TA be rejected on principle alone--since management is not trustworthy? I dunno, maybe we can tell them "its a process". BTW, at the beginning of this process, I was an optimist.

The only thing that is transparent is their blood lust to clench every dime out of this deal. This is their payoff for sacrificing workforce morale. Nice work guys, you're on target with your process.

If the company wants to make a show of good faith, make the TA pay retro.

I'm not ancient but I've been around this place long enough to know that they are incapable of doing the right thing because greed has overcome them. I have learned to disassociate myself from this place and have accepted the fact that I am not "Alaska"! Pessimistic? Not at all. It's just reality. They are the masters at speaking out of both ends and every time their lips move, they lie.
Fortunately, I believe in miracles and there is hope. More importantly, hope has absolutely nothing to do with this management's or ALPA's talent or power. Karma is a biahtch and they'll get a huge dose of it in the near future. And it's not going to be in the form of a job action by this pilot group so let's set this straight. Greed and evil cannot and will not be triumphant for ever. The storm is on the horizon.

Packrat
04-28-2017, 08:33 PM
If I understand this correctly, arbitration is binding but mediation is not. Does that mean AAG can and will drag out the mediation "process" and then reject the mediators recommendations? Probably. Think of all the time they can add to their sacred process with actual arbitration.

Welcome to the time honored tradition of Angle Lake contract negotiations.

If the company wants to make a show of good faith, make the TA pay retro.

Don't hold your breath.

Klsytakesit
04-29-2017, 01:19 PM
Not to worry......2020 is just around the corner.

Arctichicken
05-02-2017, 02:21 PM
Not to worry......2020 is just around the corner.

Vision 2020: 3000 by 3000? Or is it the promise of better pairings and scheduling improvements due to MD80s retiring? I'm still holding my breath!

ForeverJunior
05-04-2017, 05:59 AM
Vision 2020: 3000 by 3000? Or is it the promise of better pairings and scheduling improvements due to MD80s retiring? I'm still holding my breath!

What I'm hearing is that they will be able to write better pairings once the -400 is completely off the property. :D

ForeverJunior
05-04-2017, 10:43 AM
Interesting E-Mail from the SEA BCP today. GT is very smart and he's probably the only one who can see that we're going to lose many more junior pilots to DAL, UAL, etc.

It is disappointing that we have to hope for big attrition numbers among pilots who have been here 1-2 years in order to get the company to give us a pay raise.

Work2much
05-04-2017, 12:10 PM
Interesting E-Mail from the SEA BCP today. GT is very smart and he's probably the only one who can see that we're going to lose many more junior pilots to DAL, UAL, etc.

It is disappointing that we have to hope for big attrition numbers among pilots who have been here 1-2 years in order to get the company to give us a pay raise.

Can you give us an idea of what he said?

ForeverJunior
05-04-2017, 03:15 PM
Can you give us an idea of what he said?

Basically, he closed out the E-Mail by asking the relatively new pilots who are on the fence about staying at ALK to make the best decision based on all factors and not by what's taking place at this time.

He also alluded to the fact that things will get better and this (the current goings on) too shall pass.

Ispeakjive
05-05-2017, 08:10 AM
Basically, he closed out the E-Mail by asking the relatively new pilots who are on the fence about staying at ALK to make the best decision based on all factors and not by what's taking place at this time.

He also alluded to the fact that things will get better and this (the current goings on) too shall pass.

With the overall feeling that we are being lied to and AAG's demonstrable acts of bad faith, I can see why people are leaving. At Momentum, Ben stated that "mergers run into problems because management doesn't properly take care of their people". He's right, and they are failing.

ForeverJunior
05-05-2017, 08:24 AM
With the overall feeling that we are being lied to and AAG's demonstrable acts of bad faith, I can see why people are leaving. At Momentum, Ben stated that "mergers run into problems because management doesn't properly take care of their people". He's right, and they are failing.

I totally agree. This is not just a problem at the present. Angle Lake keeps going back to their old playbook.

Interesting that BM should say that, while employing the same tactics.

In any case, I hope our junior pilots do what's best for them. I wouldn't blame them one bit for jumping ship and going off to Delta.

It's interesting that management wants to take this all the way through arbitration. That's a big gamble. I'm just thinking, what if the arbitrator rules more in favor of management? Our pilot group hasn't forgotten Kasher. I think those bitter feelings will come back.

Based on my own observation, every single pilot I have flown with in the recent months is already fed up and frustrated. I can't imagine what the general mood is going to be like around here if the arbitrator decides that we should be paid 85% of industry-leading pay rates ($225 - $230).

coolyokeluke
05-05-2017, 08:28 AM
I totally agree. This is not just a problem at the present. Angle Lake keeps going back to their old playbook.

Interesting that BM should say that, while employing the same tactics.

In any case, I hope our junior pilots do what's best for them. I wouldn't blame them one bit for jumping ship and going off to Delta.

It's interesting that management wants to take this all the way through arbitration. That's a big gamble. I'm just thinking, what if the arbitrator rules more in favor of management? Our pilot group hasn't forgotten Kasher. I think those bitter feelings will come back.

Based on my own observation, every single pilot I have flown with in the recent months is already fed up and frustrated. I can't imagine what the general mood is going to be like around here if the arbitrator decides that we should be paid 85% of industry-leading pay rates ($225 - $230).

So no information seems to have come out of the mediated session - you heard that management wants this to go to arbitration?
Management stated that or it's implied by lack of good faith bargaining? If it's going to arbitration regardless, should they cut short the mediated meetings and move the timetable forward?

ForeverJunior
05-05-2017, 08:32 AM
So no information seems to have come out of the mediated session - you heard that management wants this to go to arbitration?
Management stated that or it's implied by lack of good faith bargaining? If it's going to arbitration regardless, should they cut short the mediated meetings and move the timetable forward?

At this point, it's implied that they want to push this up to and including arbitration.

They won't cut anything short. The longer they string this out the better for management. They would like nothing more than to delay pay raises (as small as they may end up being) for as long as possible.

Packrat
05-05-2017, 10:42 AM
The longer they string this out the better for management. They would like nothing more than to delay pay raises (as small as they may end up being) for as long as possible.

Of course. Its directly out of the FordHarrison playbook.

NotTellin
05-05-2017, 06:02 PM
With the overall feeling that we are being lied to and AAG's demonstrable acts of bad faith, I can see why people are leaving. At Momentum, Ben stated that "mergers run into problems because management doesn't properly take care of their people". He's right, and they are failing.

....................^^^^^THIS RIGHT HERE^^^^^.....................

After going through Momentum, my thoughts were "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss".

Management better get it in their heads that they are not only going to lose junior guys, but the rest of us will be and are tired of being "managed".

Foodstamps
05-06-2017, 06:24 AM
Apparently we can still grow with the huge pay raises they recently gave themselves!

Apparently that's what they call "Doing the right thing" at AAG.

Foodstamps
05-06-2017, 06:31 AM
....................^^^^^THIS RIGHT HERE^^^^^.....................

After going through Momentum, my thoughts were "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss".

Management better get it in their heads that they are not only going to lose junior guys, but the rest of us will be and are tired of being "managed".

Judging by BM's recent email with mention of pilot negotiations and mediation, I don't think they care. New labor is cheaper than old labor, replace away. We can become the west coast's premiere "Super Regional" for all they care. It's painfully evident as they give themselves raises, tell investors they are tops, yet plead poverty to the front line employees and profit personally by taking food off the table of their hardest and most skilled labor.

It's not 2001. It's not 2009. It's 2017 and it's time for a fair and equitable, industry standard or leading contract, WITH SCOPE. It's time to show them we're not gonna take it anymore. It's time to be unified. It's time to wear the $h|t out of some orange lanyards. Its time to get paid what we deserve and have the work rules the big 4 enjoy.

No more excuses.

cmrflyer
05-06-2017, 10:05 PM
Couldn't agree more.
This place is a sad joke.

SmoothLanderJ
05-07-2017, 06:21 PM
Judging by BM's recent email with mention of pilot negotiations and mediation, I don't think they care. New labor is cheaper than old labor, replace away. We can become the west coast's premiere "Super Regional" for all they care. It's painfully evident as they give themselves raises, tell investors they are tops, yet plead poverty to the front line employees and profit personally by taking food off the table of their hardest and most skilled labor.

It's not 2001. It's not 2009. It's 2017 and it's time for a fair and equitable, industry standard or leading contract, WITH SCOPE. It's time to show them we're not gonna take it anymore. It's time to be unified. It's time to wear the $h|t out of some orange lanyards. Its time to get paid what we deserve and have the work rules the big 4 enjoy.

No more excuses.

100% agree!

Klsytakesit
05-08-2017, 06:59 AM
For a bunch of you that have come here in the last 5 years, you are waking up from the equivalent of a bad Vegas weekend....You married the starlet that , in the morning light, turned out to be a white trash harlot with a bad coke habit....only two ways this plays out...hint..you aint gonna change the harlot

Arctichicken
05-08-2017, 08:54 AM
For a bunch of you that have come here in the last 5 years, you are waking up from the equivalent of a bad Vegas weekend....You married the starlet that , in the morning light, turned out to be a white trash harlot with a bad coke habit....only two ways this plays out...hint..you aint gonna change the harlot

Sad but true and putting it mildly. This harlot and all her cohorts have AIDS to top things off.

cmrflyer
05-08-2017, 12:08 PM
Hahahahahah

Arctichicken
05-08-2017, 12:14 PM
Btw, the harlot is really not a woman but rather a tranny hence the sore bungholio. Must be a Canadian thing, eh.

Work2much
05-08-2017, 02:00 PM
Btw, the harlot is really not a woman but rather a tranny hence the sore bungholio. Must be a Canadian thing, eh.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ny90QLOfiJlsc/source.gif

MiLtoMajor123
05-11-2017, 10:27 AM
Boo Birds! Boo Birds everywhere! You guys are trying to destroy my Alaska dream....I guess I can just be happy I have a Major job for now. I mean everyone has to fool around with Crazy at least once right? What I'm saying is I'm still drunk in Vegas and Morning is not even a consideration at this point.