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tom11011
05-16-2017, 04:21 AM
$260,000 over 3 years. The lawyers will be circling :p



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puddlejumper
05-16-2017, 06:42 AM
$260,000 over 3 years. The lawyers will be circling [emoji14]



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Here's the breakdown from the recruiters.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170516/53bc1cd206ef2ff41dd6245a967c9e3a.jpg

rickair7777
05-16-2017, 06:58 AM
Oh I see, this *assumes* an upgrade at about 18 months.


N6279P
05-16-2017, 06:59 AM
Medical and dental insurance are included in compensation? Anything to inflate those numbers.

Five93H
05-16-2017, 09:40 AM
401k? That's a new one.
Bonuses is also rather vague...
I see they assume you'll get a pilot referral bonus.

tom11011
05-16-2017, 12:00 PM
The ad should say "up to" not "at least".

Five93H
05-16-2017, 01:16 PM
Also note the small print, Base Wages calculated at 1,000 per year. Unless I'm mistaken, AWAC min guarantee is 75, so a year at min is coming in at 900 hours. Certainly one of the the most inflated examples of recruiter math I've seen, all in all.

WisJudge
05-16-2017, 03:55 PM
Also note the small print, Base Wages calculated at 1,000 per year. Unless I'm mistaken, AWAC min guarantee is 75, so a year at min is coming in at 900 hours. Certainly one of the the most inflated examples of recruiter math I've seen, all in all.

"All in all"...

I made a lateral move; regional to regional.
$63,000+ NET gain in pay.
I ran all the numbers based on my situation, $91,400 compensation year one for me. Based it on 82 hours a month of flying, easily doable. Yes, I included the delta in health insurance for my situation. I did not include any referrals, per diem, other minor benefits.

WisJudge
05-16-2017, 03:59 PM
401k? That's a new one.
Bonuses is also rather vague...
I see they assume you'll get a pilot referral bonus.

$5,000 with first check
$26,000 at the end of IOE
$8,000 at the end of IOE if you have a type rating
$10,000 at the end of your first year.
Retention bonuses thereafter.

WisJudge
05-16-2017, 04:03 PM
Medical and dental insurance are included in compensation? Anything to inflate those numbers.

You pay 25% of the medical, seems like a small rider for dental and vision. Not enough to pass on it. Looks like a very nice plan after my hawk of a wife reviewing. Other perks as well with their wellness program. So far nothing but a step up, way up from where I was.

Nothing really to inflate. I think there are better opportunities to pick up additional $ with smart bidding.

Day4mx
05-16-2017, 06:29 PM
Anyone who makes fun of the health insurance doesn't work here. Anyone wanna chime in on the cost of having a kid at AWAC? My kid cost me less than a case of beer. Coincidentally, my kid was the result of a case of beer.

trevtt600
05-16-2017, 06:40 PM
Anyone who makes fun of the health insurance doesn't work here. Anyone wanna chime in on the cost of having a kid at AWAC? My kid cost me less than a case of beer. Coincidentally, my kid was the result of a case of beer.

$15... and I haven't paid a dime on the one that's cookin' right now.

billyho
05-17-2017, 04:06 AM
Anyone who makes fun of the health insurance doesn't work here. Anyone wanna chime in on the cost of having a kid at AWAC? My kid cost me less than a case of beer. Coincidentally, my kid was the result of a case of beer.

You mean kind of like the flow at the WO's right:D Anyone who makes fun of the Flow at American doesn't work there. :rolleyes:

IFLYACRJ
05-17-2017, 06:36 AM
Anyone who makes fun of the health insurance doesn't work here. Anyone wanna chime in on the cost of having a kid at AWAC? My kid cost me less than a case of beer. Coincidentally, my kid was the result of a case of beer.



One of my family members is in poor health and has had many medical issues.
Our health insurance is fantastic compared even to the legacies and majors


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MOGuy
05-17-2017, 06:40 AM
Here's the breakdown from the recruiters.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170516/53bc1cd206ef2ff41dd6245a967c9e3a.jpg

Per diem should no be included and as income. Geez 🙄

billyho
05-17-2017, 06:43 AM
One of my family members is in poor health and has had many medical issues.
Our health insurance is fantastic compared even to the legacies and majors


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Even Piedmont's is better then American's.

BigWillyCapt
05-18-2017, 09:07 AM
401k? That's a new one.
Bonuses is also rather vague...
I see they assume you'll get a pilot referral bonus.

AWA puts in 3% regardless of your contribution.

And yes, our heath insurance is second to none.

wwood
05-19-2017, 04:32 AM
Since their breakdown assumes you upgrade your second year, I wanted to look at this conservatively. I added base pay plus bonus for each year and assumed no upgrade in case their numbers are not correct. Does this check with everyone or are there other bonuses?


Year by Year base plus Bonus

Year 1 - Base pay 35000 + Sign on bonus 31000 + Type Rating Bonus 8000 = $74000

Year 2 - Base pay 41000 + bonus after one year 10000 + Retention 8000= $59000

Year 3 - Base pay 43000 + Retention 8000 = $51000

Year 4 - Base pay 44000 + Retention 8000 = $52000
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Flubber
05-19-2017, 05:52 AM
Where's this $8000 retention bonus coming from?

wwood
05-19-2017, 06:46 AM
This was pulled from their site,

"$18,000 Retention Bonuses
$10,000 paid after first anniversary, $8,000 (payable $2,000 per quarter) if pilot has not upgraded to Captain"
(ref: Pilots (http://www.airwis.com/pilots.html))

Also, in the minimum compensation breakdown posted on the site and above by MOGuy the starred detail, ** says $8,000 not included because it assumes a captain upgrade occurred.

FODhopper
05-19-2017, 10:34 AM
$15... and I haven't paid a dime on the one that's cookin' right now.

Actually the kids cost a little less than $15 each since if you have FSA those copays are eligible.

Flubber
05-19-2017, 05:57 PM
This was pulled from their site,

"$18,000 Retention Bonuses
$10,000 paid after first anniversary, $8,000 (payable $2,000 per quarter) if pilot has not upgraded to Captain"
(ref: Pilots (http://www.airwis.com/pilots.html))

Also, in the minimum compensation breakdown posted on the site and above by MOGuy the starred detail, ** says $8,000 not included because it assumes a captain upgrade occurred.

Ah, *that* $8000. That is paid in four $2000 each quarter during your third year. No $8K in year two, no $8K after year 3.

So if you don't upgrade (your initial assumption), you'd get $74K, $41K, $51K, $44K plus or minus, depending on how ambitious one want to be (fly more, make more... don't break guarantee, make less).

The 18-24 month upgrade time will happen if we can hire enough to properly staff 65 airplanes and continue to hire to meet "normal" attrition, normal being someone who moves on to bigger (and hopefully better) - not making a lateral move to another regional.

I wonder what the union guys think about these "retention" bonuses as the only pilots who will get them are the ones being hired now...

Graybird
05-19-2017, 06:58 PM
$5,000 with first check
$26,000 at the end of IOE
$8,000 at the end of IOE if you have a type rating
$10,000 at the end of your first year.
Retention bonuses thereafter.

And don't forget the Bonus of the fun times to be had with Brats and Beer!:)

FlightOfSeven
05-30-2017, 10:31 AM
How long are you obligated to stay, after taking each bonus? Is it prorated?

Skyler02
05-30-2017, 10:43 AM
$5,000 with first check
$26,000 at the end of IOE
$8,000 at the end of IOE if you have a type rating
$10,000 at the end of your first year.
Retention bonuses thereafter.

That is my question also. I am looking to make the jump to Air Wisconsin.

If you move on, say 6 months after IOE your dream company calls, do you have to pay any of the ($26K, $8K, $5K) back? Is there a time commitment?

Thanks for any info on this.

Flubber
05-30-2017, 11:33 AM
How long are you obligated to stay, after taking each bonus? Is it prorated?

That's a good question, as there isn't anything that mentions restrictions on the bonus payments. It might be like our retention bonus payments (for those of us who have been here before last December 1st), where if you had a resignation letter in with the company on the bonus payment date, you didn't get the bonus. Again, there's nothing that says that or mentions prorating (unless someone finds it somewhere, please post it?) so once you get the money, it's most likely yours to keep.

Jleg67
05-30-2017, 12:07 PM
24 month commitment is what we're hearing.

diverdriver2
05-30-2017, 03:41 PM
24 month commitment is what we're hearing.

Hearing? From whom?

I have not seen one thing from company or union saying 24 month commitment. The bonus structure is paid out on the breakdown provided on the website. In all the caveats nowhere does it say prorated, commitment or reimburse.

Nowhere.

diverdriver2
05-30-2017, 03:43 PM
Here is the pilot section of the company website. Click on the link for the breakdown.

http://airwis.com/pilots.html

Skyler02
05-31-2017, 08:06 AM
24 month commitment is what we're hearing.

I have looked at all the information provided publically and don't see any time commitment for the bonuses. I am going to proceed assuming no time commitment. If anyone learns differently, please post it here so we will all know.

Thank you.

StrykerB21
05-31-2017, 08:39 AM
There is no time commitment. I think what hes alluding to is how long youd need to stay with the company to collect the entire bonus. However theres nothing stopping anyone from leaving earlier and no you wont have to pay back any bonuses youve already received.

WisJudge
05-31-2017, 02:41 PM
There is no time commitment. I think what hes alluding to is how long youd need to stay with the company to collect the entire bonus. However theres nothing stopping anyone from leaving earlier and no you wont have to pay back any bonuses youve already received.

Simple way to end the confusion: Contact the company and ask directly.

FlyerOSU
06-01-2017, 09:26 AM
I interviewed last week and the Recruiter explained that it is a prorated repayment if you leave in less than 24 months from start of class. This was my third regional interview and all had some type of repayment for their sign on bonus program.
For those in training now what should a new hire expect? I will be joining up in June!

BravoPapa
06-01-2017, 09:55 AM
I interviewed last week and the Recruiter explained that it is a prorated repayment if you leave in less than 24 months from start of class. This was my third regional interview and all had some type of repayment for their sign on bonus program.

For those in training now what should a new hire expect? I will be joining up in June!

Did you get offers on the other two interviews and chose AW? Or are they the only ones that offered? Also, did any of the others ask if you interviewed anywhere else?

lava
06-01-2017, 07:35 PM
So, I just got a look at the bonus agreement...

If you leave (fired) at/before the 1 year you pay back all of it ($5k + 26IOE and $8k type if you qualified)

If you leave (fired) before end of 13th month you pay back all (all above plus the $10k at yr 1).

If you leave prior to end of 24 months they want you to repay roughly $3400 for each month shy of 24 (plus some if you got the type rating bonus).

shinyplane
06-02-2017, 02:27 AM
So if one were to get hired by a major and leave (not fired) at 12 months they would payback $40800 ($3400 x 12 months) or just what you have been given? Does it mention if the recoupment is pre or post tax?

WisJudge
06-02-2017, 03:33 AM
So if one were to get hired by a major and leave (not fired) at 12 months they would payback $40800 ($3400 x 12 months) or just what you have been given? Does it mention if the recoupment is pre or post tax?

If my reading is correct:
At 12 months, if you leave OR are fired, you must repay what bonuses you were paid to date.
You will owe the pre-tax amount.

WisJudge
06-02-2017, 03:35 AM
So, I just got a look at the bonus agreement...

If you leave (fired) at/before the 1 year you pay back all of it ($5k + 26IOE and $8k type if you qualified)

If you leave (fired) before end of 13th month you pay back all (all above plus the $10k at yr 1).

If you leave prior to end of 24 months they want you to repay roughly $3400 for each month shy of 24 (plus some if you got the type rating bonus).

That is my understanding as well.

shinyplane
06-02-2017, 03:56 AM
If my reading is correct:
At 12 months, if you leave OR are fired, you must repay what bonuses you were paid to date.
You will owe the pre-tax amount.

Ok. Thanks. So no pro-rating until month 13 and then it is at $3400/mo.

TheFly
06-02-2017, 05:25 AM
So, I just got a look at the bonus agreement...

If you leave (fired) at/before the 1 year you pay back all of it ($5k + 26IOE and $8k type if you qualified)

If you leave (fired) before end of 13th month you pay back all (all above plus the $10k at yr 1).

If you leave prior to end of 24 months they want you to repay roughly $3400 for each month shy of 24 (plus some if you got the type rating bonus).
No such thing as free money!

billyho
06-02-2017, 09:51 AM
So, I just got a look at the bonus agreement...

If you leave (fired) at/before the 1 year you pay back all of it ($5k + 26IOE and $8k type if you qualified)

If you leave (fired) before end of 13th month you pay back all (all above plus the $10k at yr 1).

If you leave prior to end of 24 months they want you to repay roughly $3400 for each month shy of 24 (plus some if you got the type rating bonus).

Wouldn't this keep many experienced people away? Why risk it if you are getting close to the time and could get on with JetBlue, Spirit or some of the other carriers that seem to hire RJ Fo's?

4600
06-02-2017, 12:34 PM
Wouldn't this keep many experienced people away? Why risk it if you are getting close to the time and could get on with JetBlue, Spirit or some of the other carriers that seem to hire RJ Fo's?

It would not be a smart move financially for the company to hand someone $39,000 in 4 months and have them walk away with that cash. It's an investment for the company. People should not be surprised by Air Wisconsin asking for a small commitment.

If your worried about the cash, put it in a CD or other form of safety net, earn interest on it and take it out at a later date if you need too. Or spend it, do a good job and don't get fired.

Very few people get fired after they get off IOE. If you get fired during or before IOE, your basically giving back what we just gave you, unless you buy a new car in training... it's a smart business move.

We have seen our interview numbers rise substantially. Classes are starting to grow larger and the morale is turning around. Things are looking up.

4600
06-02-2017, 02:17 PM
It would not be a smart move financially for the company to hand someone $39,000 in 4 months and have them walk away with that cash. It's an investment for the company. People should not be surprised by Air Wisconsin asking for a small commitment.

If your worried about the cash, put it in a CD or other form of safety net, earn interest on it and take it out at a later date if you need too. Or spend it, do a good job and don't get fired.

Very few people get fired after they get off IOE. If you get fired during or before IOE, your basically giving back what we just gave you, unless you buy a new car in training... it's a smart business move.

We have seen our interview numbers rise substantially. Classes are starting to grow larger and the morale is turning around. Things are looking up.

Also, if you're worried about the commitment, don't take the money. I believe you don't need to sign the agreement, you just won't get the money.

billyho
06-02-2017, 02:52 PM
I think what you are looking for is a question mark (?) that is what goes at the end of a question.

Let me give you an example.

Do you think it is a good idea to take advise from someone as ignorant as hillbillyho?


If your worried about the cash, put it in a CD or other form of safety net, earn interest on it and take it out at a later date if you need too.

I think you are looking for you're not your. Just saying.....

billyho
06-02-2017, 02:54 PM
Also, if your worried about the commitment, don't take the money. I believe you don't need to sign the agreement, you just won't get the money.

Maybe then AWAC should guarantee an upgrade in 2 years (or pay Capt. rate after 24 months even if you're an FO). If not then the money doesn't need to be repaid. That seems fair also right? :D

4600
06-02-2017, 03:03 PM
Maybe then AWAC should guarantee an upgrade in 2 years (or pay Capt. rate after 24 months even if you're an FO). If not then the money doesn't need to be repaid. That seems fair also right? :D

You get an additional 8k in year 3 if you don't upgrade. You don't get this 8k if you upgrade.

They are advertising 18-24 month upgrades. Either way, it's working. It will be fun when you're (you are) proved wrong once again.

billyho
06-02-2017, 03:53 PM
You get an additional 8k in year 3 if you don't upgrade. You don't get this 8k if you upgrade.

They are advertising 18-24 month upgrades. Either way, it's working. It will be fun when you're (you are) proved wrong once again.

Just 8k? That's it? How about just give them the CPT rate. 8k is nothing. Oh well it's working so let it work. :rolleyes:

newto121
08-13-2017, 06:40 PM
What is a realistic first year FO pay I should expect to see (bonuses excluded) if I pick up some extra trips etc?

Thanks in advance for the reply.

ChrisInWI
11-14-2017, 05:21 PM
So, I just got a look at the bonus agreement...

If you leave (fired) at/before the 1 year you pay back all of it ($5k + 26IOE and $8k type if you qualified)

If you leave (fired) before end of 13th month you pay back all (all above plus the $10k at yr 1).

If you leave prior to end of 24 months they want you to repay roughly $3400 for each month shy of 24 (plus some if you got the type rating bonus).

...so, for the slow learners,

If they pay you $5k as a milestone achievement for entering training and you finish training you're still liable to pay that back if you leave prior to 13 months? $26k seems like a retainer on talent for a 13month period but the $5k seems like 'dust' to me in the grand scheme of things (outsider's view).

If you're paid the $31k for the first year and leave early are there tax implications where you will come out behind thanks to Uncle Sam?

Any updates on AW bonus would be greatly appreciated as I'm adding up options to make a game plan.

Voski
02-17-2018, 09:55 PM
Oh I see, this *assumes* an upgrade at about 18 months.

APC's AWAC company profile page is making a statement of "18 months by December 2018." It'll be interesting to see how that plays out....



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