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iahflyr
05-25-2017, 09:32 AM
Sounds like Horizon passed an LOA that increases pay for years 1-3. Since we now have sub-threads for regional airlines, I wanted to start a separate thread. Here is some info I pulled from the massive thread:

The LOA passed by a wide margin.

The new pay rates are supposed to be active now although the company will F this completely and just say oops later.. anyway..

Years 1,2,3 for FOs will be $40,$46,$47.

4.2 min daily guarantee for Q drivers.

15k bonus for pilots on property (not the new hires who already got one).

For new hires it will be 15k for Q400s and 10k for the jet, and the company can raise both to 25k if they want.

If anyone else has some more details, please share.


Griever
05-25-2017, 12:02 PM
Sounds like Horizon passed an LOA that increases pay for years 1-3. Since we now have sub-threads for regional airlines, I wanted to start a separate thread. Here is some info I pulled from the massive thread:



If anyone else has some more details, please share.

f) Pilots receiving pilot development program Payments(note 1) shall not be obligated to serve as employees or repay any related obligation for any duration or term longer than twenty-four (24) months from Date of Hire.

Not exactly a training contract, but for god's sake, if you take their money, please read the fine print.

flydiamond
06-07-2017, 04:29 AM
I recall in reading another thread that the proposed 4.2 hour daily guarantee would be the minimum average daily credit from a trip... e.g. a theoretical 4 day trip having 2.2, 6.2, 5.2 and, 3.2 block hour days would pay 4x4.2 hours rather than 4.2+6.2+5.2+4.2. Is that the case or is it a HARD 4.2 hour guarantee.

I also recall some possible improvements to hotels...any action there?

Finally, does Horizon have any trip or duty rigs? I assume no on the trip rigs (hence the daily guarantee being implemented). Can anyone point me to the contract?


SIUav8er
06-07-2017, 04:32 AM
I recall in reading another thread that the proposed 4.2 hour daily guarantee would be the minimum average daily credit from a trip... e.g. a theoretical 4 day trip having 2.2, 6.2, 5.2 and, 3.2 block hour days would pay 4x4.2 hours rather than 4.2+6.2+5.2+4.2. Is that the case or is it a HARD 4.2 hour guarantee.

I also recall some possible improvements to hotels...any action there?

Finally, does Horizon have any trip or duty rigs? I assume no on the trip rigs (hence the daily guarantee being implemented). Can anyone point me to the contract?

Mmm.... HARD

Griever
06-07-2017, 08:47 AM
I recall in reading another thread that the proposed 4.2 hour daily guarantee would be the minimum average daily credit from a trip... e.g. a theoretical 4 day trip having 2.2, 6.2, 5.2 and, 3.2 block hour days would pay 4x4.2 hours rather than 4.2+6.2+5.2+4.2. Is that the case or is it a HARD 4.2 hour guarantee.

I also recall some possible improvements to hotels...any action there?

Finally, does Horizon have any trip or duty rigs? I assume no on the trip rigs (hence the daily guarantee being implemented). Can anyone point me to the contract?

Daily guarantee. Not an average. Problem is the company isn't implementing it, due to "technical" issues. They say it'll take up to 6 months to implement. Note that this is in violation of our contract. They have said they won't back-pay us when they do implement it, either.

We get the better of the following trip time:
4:1 tafb
2:1 duty
1:1 block
Each days credit is minimum 4.2

Hotels are improving greatly. Unfortunately it took a serious incident at one of our ghettos for the company to start making changes.

Our LOA has weak language to make the union and company agree in "minimum stanards" within 30 days of ratification. That date is June 23

DashAviator
06-07-2017, 11:48 AM
According to the "cost analysis" E-mail that the union sent out a few weeks ago, the 4.2 hours is supposed to be a daily minimum, not a daily average. Also, the 4.2 hour daily minimum was supposed to take effect immediately upon ratification. The company claims that it will take 6 months to implement and they won't make it retroactive. This will get grieved and the union will prevail, but don't expect it to be quick.

The LOA also contains some meaningless language regarding hotels. I don't expect any significant changes. The only reason that the company will ever change hotels (other than cost) is (1) violence against crew members, (2) bedbugs, or (3) an unusual volume of fatigue calls associated with the hotel.

snackysmores
06-07-2017, 10:11 PM
According to the "cost analysis" E-mail that the union sent out a few weeks ago, the 4.2 hours is supposed to be a daily minimum, not a daily average. Also, the 4.2 hour daily minimum was supposed to take effect immediately upon ratification. The company claims that it will take 6 months to implement and they won't make it retroactive. This will get grieved and the union will prevail, but don't expect it to be quick.

The LOA also contains some meaningless language regarding hotels. I don't expect any significant changes. The only reason that the company will ever change hotels (other than cost) is (1) violence against crew members, (2) bedbugs, or (3) an unusual volume of fatigue calls associated with the hotel.

Even bedbugs won't get us out on some occasions, although most of our hotels are now in the 'just okay' category.

Wouldn't be surprised if management (especially after the BLI incident where a FA was sexually assaulted) went to the accountants and asked, "What's cheaper for the company, getting sued once in a while or paying more for safer/better hotels?"

Scumbags.

Singlecoil
06-08-2017, 03:01 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if management (especially after the BLI incident where a FA was sexually assaulted) went to the accountants and asked, "What's cheaper for the company, getting sued once in a while or paying more for safer/better hotels?"

Scumbags.

At the Hampton? Or some other place?

snackysmores
06-08-2017, 11:27 PM
At the Hampton? Or some other place?

It happened at the Baymont Inn in BLI. A great place to see drug deals and arrests take place in the hotel parking lot, as well as prostitutes soliciting in the hotel lobby. We were stuck there for YEARS despite a never ending paper trail of complaints. Apparently one of us just needed to almost get killed in order to convince management to relocate us. That lawsuit and litigation is still ongoing and Alaska has made sure no local news will report on it.

DrainTheSwamp
06-09-2017, 11:56 PM
I would actually be somewhat worried if they will pay you the 10 or 15k bonus when done with IOE. Regular line pilots on the seniority list were to receive 15k upon ratification of the LOA with NO stipulations. The company then decided to change this to if you were on a medical leave of absents you will not receive it until you return.

I would think most pilots on a leave probably need it more than most, so it was a punch to the gut for those on leave. I feel for them.

So with that in mind there is no reason to believe they wouldn't arbitrarily change the requirement for a new hire to receive the new hire bonus. Their track record is quite clear here.



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