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NYC Pilot
06-05-2017, 10:47 AM
Well this has to be music to our ears. Qatar diplomatic ties to Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain and Egypt severed. Qatar Airways not allowed to fly over or into these countries. This will be very damaging to the ME3 and help us in eradicating the ME3 from further expansion in the USA. This is just the beginning of the end in the Middle East.


ShyGuy
06-05-2017, 11:19 AM
Qatar is in trouble for paying off the devil in order to save their own citizen hostages.

https://www.ft.com/content/dd033082-49e9-11e7-a3f4-c742b9791d43

That has ticked off its Gulf neighbors. Meanwhile, the US is still committed to Qatar and will have no change to status quo:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/06/military-plans-change-posture-qatar-170605174247252.html

rickair7777
06-05-2017, 07:41 PM
Qatar is in trouble for paying off the devil in order to save their own citizen hostages.

https://www.ft.com/content/dd033082-49e9-11e7-a3f4-c742b9791d43



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Meanwhile, the US is still committed to Qatar and will have no change to status quo:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/06/military-plans-change-posture-qatar-170605174247252.html

We have a big base there. No good alternative options.


SaveFerris
06-05-2017, 07:46 PM
LOL Qatar...that place will be a mess of a place for the World Cup in 2022.

Blueskies67
06-05-2017, 08:08 PM
Unrest around the world is bad news for all airlines.

drinksonme
06-05-2017, 09:46 PM
Unrest around the world is bad news for all airlines.

If you can name a time in modern history where there wasn't unrest around the world I'd like to know. Just since aviation has been around even.

Hetman
06-06-2017, 04:03 AM
https://s15-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fbc%2F26%2Fde%2Fbc26de50eed a3efcf67267aae733b050.jpg&sp=43e2697fb87a89bc5e3d1b922e357d6e

"'Course, youse has ta pay da money. Youse wuddin' want nuttin bad ta happen."

Not sure it's just Qatar.

ShyGuy
06-06-2017, 10:52 AM
Subscription site, can you paste text?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/dd033082-49e9-11e7-a3f4-c742b9791d43


We have a big base there. No good alternative options.

Yup. Along the same reasons we are so cozy with Saudia Arabia. Who cares about the worst violator of human rights in the Middle East (Kindom of SA), as long as they provide us bases and a strategic location?

:rolleyes:

tomgoodman
06-06-2017, 11:09 AM
Subscription site, can you paste text?

Here's the Zero Hedge version:

The Shocking Trigger Behind Today's Gulf Scandal: Qatar Paid Al-Qaeda, Iran $1BN In Hostage Deal | Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-05/shocking-trigger-behind-todays-gulf-scandal-qatar-paid-al-qaeda-iran-1bn-hostage-dea)

Sniper66
06-06-2017, 12:30 PM
Well this has to be music to our ears. Qatar diplomatic ties to Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain and Egypt severed. Qatar Airways not allowed to fly over or into these countries. This will be very damaging to the ME3 and help us in eradicating the ME3 from further expansion in the USA. This is just the beginning of the end in the Middle East.





Awesome
Let's hope all 3 disappear

rickair7777
06-06-2017, 12:37 PM
Yup. Along the same reasons we are so cozy with Saudia Arabia. Who cares about the worst violator of human rights in the Middle East (Kindom of SA), as long as they provide us bases and a strategic location?

:rolleyes:

Exactly. The consequences of us not being there would be very bad. Welcome to the real world.

ShyGuy
06-07-2017, 07:38 AM
Exactly. The consequences of us not being there would be very bad. Welcome to the real world.

Consequences for who or what? Oil? Israel? Those aren't our problems. We need energy independence and reliance on non-fossil energy in the future. And Israel/Palestine are two sides invoking religion to say that their version of sky fairy said this land belongs to them and not the other side. None of that should be our business.

So you support the regime of SA, but based on how they have treated their own people, the leadership isn't worse than what Qaddafi did to Libya or even Saddam in Iraq. So wars and regime change is reserved for only those countries not providing us a military support base and oil?

SUX4U
06-07-2017, 08:11 AM
So you support the regime of SA, but based on how they have treated their own people, the leadership isn't worse than what Qaddafi did to Libya or even Saddam in Iraq. So wars and regime change is reserved for only those countries not providing us a military support base and oil?

Same as it's always been. You're just now figuring this out?

Otterbox
06-07-2017, 08:35 AM
Here's the Zero Hedge version:

The Shocking Trigger Behind Today's Gulf Scandal: Qatar Paid Al-Qaeda, Iran $1BN In Hostage Deal | Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-05/shocking-trigger-behind-todays-gulf-scandal-qatar-paid-al-qaeda-iran-1bn-hostage-dea)

Saudi Arabia and the UAE don't really care about the payments to a Sunni terrorist group affiliated with Al Qaeda (they've done it off the books themselves) even though it gives them a public excuse to be angry, but they're ****ed at the payments to Iran and Shia groups.

ShyGuy
06-07-2017, 10:27 AM
Same as it's always been. You're just now figuring this out?

Simply asking if he's okay with that :cool:

atpcliff
06-07-2017, 11:24 AM
My organization just restricted all travel to/through Qatar, unless it's not to Doha. AA code shares (OneWorld) with them, so it's hurting AA.

trump really ****ed of Qatar with his tweets, and they are thinking about denying our access to their big military base, which was discussed in posts previously...

Otterbox
06-07-2017, 12:45 PM
My organization just restricted all travel to/through Qatar, unless it's not to Doha. AA code shares (OneWorld) with them, so it's hurting AA.

trump really ****ed of Qatar with his tweets, and they are thinking about denying our access to their big military base, which was discussed in posts previously...

All the Money they get from making folks go through customs every time they land at that base (even when they're stationed there) was probably used to finance the payoff to Iran anyways.

Loosing basing rights to Qatar would be a little rough in the immediate time frame but there's plenty of space in the desert where the US can put folks and give the governments $$$.

Xtreme87
06-07-2017, 02:25 PM
If you can name a time in modern history where there wasn't unrest around the world I'd like to know. Just since aviation has been around even.

Hmm gee wonder who is responsible for a lot of the unrest. Wouldn't have anything to do with toppling dictators and selling weapons to terrorists.

tomgoodman
06-07-2017, 02:42 PM
Hmm gee wonder who is responsible for a lot of the unrest. Wouldn't have anything to do with toppling dictators and selling weapons to terrorists.

It's all due to everyone's insatiable desire for "stuff". :D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Numg_0dxiwk

C130driver
06-07-2017, 07:10 PM
Hmm gee wonder who is responsible for a lot of the unrest. Wouldn't have anything to do with toppling dictators and selling weapons to terrorists.

It is us as a country. Politicians on both sides of the aisle have been extremely irresponsible on who we consider "friends"...apart from the Rand Paul types every politician has interests in fueling dictators/bad people in various hot spots in the world. Not saying we should be completely isolationist and ignore the strategic and economic implications of being friends with a country like Qatar and Saudi Arabia but our foreign policy has been extremely inconsistant in that arena.

full of luv
06-08-2017, 08:16 AM
Hmm gee wonder who is responsible for a lot of the unrest. Wouldn't have anything to do with toppling dictators and selling weapons to terrorists.

So you actually believe, but for the intervention of the US in world affairs, that the world would be one happy kum-by-ya place???

:eek:

FA24
06-08-2017, 11:07 AM
"The European Union proposed new rules on Thursday to more effectively tackle alleged unfair competitive practices by foreign airlines as it seeks to ensure European carriers can withstand fierce competition overseas." EU to tackle unfair airline competition with new rules | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-aviation-idUSKBN18Z1A0)

rickair7777
06-09-2017, 10:10 AM
Consequences for who or what? Oil? Israel? Those aren't our problems. We need energy independence and reliance on non-fossil energy in the future.

You're correct. We (not just us, but the world in general) need energy independence but until we get there it is our problem.


And Israel/Palestine are two sides invoking religion to say that their version of sky fairy said this land belongs to them and not the other side. None of that should be our business.

Israel is an important regional ally mid-term (see above). After that? Who knows.


So you support the regime of SA, but based on how they have treated their own people, the leadership isn't worse than what Qaddafi did to Libya or even Saddam in Iraq.

I don't "support" them, but having them as allies gives us some leverage over their behavior and helps promotes global stability. As far as anyone knows, there's no better readily-available solution.


So wars and regime change is reserved for only those countries not providing us a military support base and oil?

The global order always has more tolerance for misbehavior within your own borders. Iraq invaded Kuwait, lost the war, and then failed to comply with the terms of surrender (inspections). AFG gave haven to AQ in 2011. So there does seem to be a trend.

Also, oil is a global commodity, any fluctuations affect everybody for the most part (that could change if we isolated ourselves from the global market...we seem to have enough domestic production now).

ShyGuy
06-09-2017, 03:39 PM
You're correct. We (not just us, but the world in general) need energy independence but until we get there it is our problem.

So government overthrows, wars, and tribal conflicts are all ok so we can enjoy sub-$3 gallon gas? Many countries around the world are 1st world with no presence in the ME - and more importantly, no wasted military lives in stupid un-winnable battles - and they put up with gas at $6-8 /gallon.

Israel is an important regional ally mid-term (see above). After that? Who knows.
We shouldn't be supporting any side that invokes religion as a God-given right for a piece of land. That's just stupid. The earth is 4+ billion years old, and that land existed far before any sky fairy stories.

I don't "support" them, but having them as allies gives us some leverage over their behavior and helps promotes global stability. As far as anyone knows, there's no better readily-available solution.
15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were SAs. The remaining 4 were Egyptians and Lebanese. Some ally SA was. What did they do post 9/11? Other than provide their bases. SA is a heavily pro-Sunni nation, and the biggest, that keeps Iran (pro-Shia) in check. It's all political BS.


The global order always has more tolerance for misbehavior within your own borders. Iraq invaded Kuwait, lost the war, and then failed to comply with the terms of surrender (inspections). AFG gave haven to AQ in 2011. So there does seem to be a trend.

Also, oil is a global commodity, any fluctuations affect everybody for the most part (that could change if we isolated ourselves from the global market...we seem to have enough domestic production now).

It's the war economic machine. The US has historically for at least the past 50 years been in a conflict/war of some type every 10 years. There's too much money in too many places that demands it.

Lemons
06-09-2017, 04:41 PM
Once the oil becomes like coal, SA will be a economic mess. I hope we also cut Israel loose at that time as well. Neither are allies and neither deserve our support.

ShyGuy
06-14-2017, 05:02 PM
Qatar in trouble? Paying money to terrorist groups/regimes?

Oh well, here's $12 billion dollars worth of F15 jets. Enjoy! -Thanks, from your USA multi-billion dollar defense industry.

Pentagon agrees $12 billion jet deal with Qatar - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/qatar-f35-trump-pentagon/index.html)

(CNN)
Amid the ongoing diplomatic crisis between Qatar and a number of its Gulf neighbors, the US has agreed to sell $12 billion worth of American F-15 fighters to the country.

"Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis met today with Qatari Minister of State for Defense Affairs Dr. Khalid al-Attiyah to discuss concluding steps in finalizing the Foreign Military Sales purchase of US-manufactured F-15 fighter aircraft by the State of Qatar. The $12 billion sale will give Qatar a state of the art capability and increase security cooperation and interoperability between the United States and Qatar," Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Roger Cabiness told CNN in a statement.

gabyperez
08-09-2017, 11:56 AM
How is the situation right now? :confused:

forumUser you know anything about this?

awax
08-09-2017, 12:41 PM
Interesting article that paints Qatar as the moderate:

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/comment/2017/8/2/qatar-has-championed-a-modern-approach-to-diplomacy

Hello Im Eric
08-15-2017, 05:02 PM
United is doing a job-fair at the JW in Dubai this October. Great ways to get meet n greet and get foot in door.

busbusbaby
08-21-2017, 11:57 AM
United is doing a job-fair at the JW in Dubai this October. Great ways to get meet n greet and get foot in door.
I call big bull excrement.

sACKtis
08-21-2017, 05:08 PM
I call big bull excrement.

Yup. Neva gonna happen

motojet
08-22-2017, 01:58 AM
I call BS myself. Living in Dubai my email or FB is overflowing with news of Roadshows in Dubai and recruitment events. This is the first I've heard of this.