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Spin
06-21-2017, 08:30 AM
Hi guys,

F-16 against F-18. Which one would you pick?


Hetman
06-21-2017, 08:55 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LrYjEMY4Ttg

NSFW for some naughty words.

UAL T38 Phlyer
06-21-2017, 09:16 AM
Read an interesting article by a Navy guy who did an exchange tour in the F-16, and have a friend who did an interservice transfer from USMC Hornet to Viper.

Both said the same thing: F-16 was like a street-rod muscle car, and the Hornet was more like a luxury touring sports sedan.

Block 50 F-16 can accelerate :eek: at 9gs if entry speed is high.

I have a friend (Navy Flight Doc) who flies backseat in Growlers; essentially a Super Hornet with wingtip EW pods. I asked how it flew...I knew it had more wing area and a little more thrust than the F-18Ds he used to ride in.

He said it was a little underpowered compared to the D.

Both good jets. FWIW, F-16s normally can't land on carriers..... ;)


rickair7777
06-21-2017, 09:18 AM
Also to consider (NSFW):

Fighter Pilot University :: Landing on a Carrier (http://www.fighterpilotuniversity.com/music-and-theater/songs/landing-on-a-carrier/)

PurpleToolBox
06-21-2017, 10:56 AM
Hi guys,

F-16 against F-18. Which one would you pick?

http://images01.military.com/media/equipment/military-aircraft/a-10-thunderbolt-ii/a-10-thunderbolt-ii_003-ts600.jpg

BFMthisA10
06-21-2017, 11:48 AM
http://images01.military.com/media/equipment/military-aircraft/a-10-thunderbolt-ii/a-10-thunderbolt-ii_003-ts600.jpg
[Twist]: A hawg in the livery of a doomed former Viper squadron.

USMCFLYR
06-21-2017, 12:13 PM
A true 'who blinks first'.

FlewNavy
06-21-2017, 01:10 PM
Depends on the mission. If given the opportunity to fly one again just for fun...F18A+ or C with no mission systems or pylons. Lightest and snappiest of the hornets. I have flown every flavor of hornet (A-G) as well as the F16.

crewdawg
06-21-2017, 01:40 PM
[Twist]: A hawg in the livery of a doomed former Viper squadron.

That is now a UAV squadron...


To the OP...Viper hands down.

C130driver
06-21-2017, 08:01 PM
F-16, it was my number one choice in pilot training. Obviously that didn't work out but I love flying the Hercules low and slow and throwing **** out of the back...

Why would you want to be stuck on a boat with dudes for months at a time? ;)

HuggyU2
06-22-2017, 12:06 AM
I got a front-seat flight in an F-16D, and a front-seat flight in an F-18F. As a "non-fighter pilot", I really don't know which is best, and don't care. Just... please, God... let me do it again sometime.
Loved it... both times!!

C-17 Driver
06-22-2017, 05:12 AM
Why would you want to be stuck on a boat with dudes for months at a time? ;)

Why would you want to be stuck in the desert with dudes for months at a time? :)

ExAF
06-22-2017, 05:56 AM
Why would you want to be stuck in the desert with dudes for months at a time? :)Golf course?:D

PS. Viper

C130driver
06-22-2017, 08:28 AM
Why would you want to be stuck in the desert with dudes for months at a time? :)

Hey man Desert 1s are not bad.

BFMthisA10
06-22-2017, 01:35 PM
That is now a UAV squadron...

Tomato, tomahto

Mover
06-25-2017, 08:31 AM
I have 1000 hrs in the Viper and 500 hrs in the Hornet.

Hard to beat the thrust to weight of the Viper. But the Hornet was a gentleman's dogfighter. It was always funny listening to Hornet guys complain about 7Gs. It was a slow speed machine and a lot of fun. But the Viper could power its way out of almost anything.

I think the PVI is better in the Viper and you wear a whole lot less survival crap on your typical sortie, which is better for your back in the long run. (Not that 9Gs is good for your neck, however).

Packrat
06-25-2017, 08:49 AM
Why would you want to be stuck on a boat with dudes for months at a time? ;)

You always take your stateroom and kitchen with you wherever you go. No B-huts.

HuggyU2
06-25-2017, 06:04 PM
You always take your stateroom and kitchen with you wherever you go. No B-huts.

Excellent reply! Haha!!

Vincent Chase
06-27-2017, 08:23 AM
A clean Hornet C can water your eyes with its turn rate. (No, we're not talking about F-22s or F-35s.) Both can carry 2 tons of ordinance and have a loiter time of 12 minutes. This is a tough call...

CLazarus
06-27-2017, 04:02 PM
In a beak to beak fight with guns or rear aspect missiles only, I believe the Viper is the clear winner against the Hornet or almost any other fighter. I can only think of a couple of other fighters out there to date that might be better (e.g. ones that benefit from thrust vectoring and a boatload of said thrust). The Viper was and still is the ultimate "rate" fighter.

However, if you consider the off-boresight capabilities of recent missiles such as the Aim-9x the importance of "rate" has diminished greatly. The Hornet excels in the "radius" fight whereby the winner is determined by who can slow down and use nose authority to get off the first shot from any aspect. In this more current/relevant scenario I believe the Hornet actually would win regularly. I never got to see for myself though.

On the bright side, if the Hornet's first shot or two are defeated (flares, etc), then he'd be extremely low on energy and I'd expect the Viper to finally punish him one way or another down on the floor.

crewdawg
06-27-2017, 05:18 PM
(Not that 9Gs is good for your neck, however).

That much G is for fixing BFM errors and LTs. :D But yes, the Viper and HMCS is destroying lots of necks and backs.


...such as the Aim-9x...

On the bright side, if the Hornet's first shot or two are defeated (flares, etc)...

How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X? | Combat Aircraft (http://www.combataircraft.net/2017/06/23/how-did-a-30-year-old-su-22-defeat-a-modern-aim-9x/)