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Unkown Rider
07-28-2017, 06:04 PM
Wait to apply or go for it?
I left the 121 biz (5,500 TT, 2,800 Turbine PIC) about 9 years ago to get custody of my Son. Well, that worked out, and I started my own company and in the process packed on an additional 130lbs. I'm working my way back down, but I'm still a walrus at 6'1 and 350 lbs. I have a 1st class medical and no sleep apnea issues.

When I look in the mirror I'm disgusted, but I'm back in the gym and losing weight steadily.

The question is: Should I wait 6 months and keep at the weight loss and not get laughed out of the interview, or just go for it.
To get back in the game I'm considering a regional, or maybe a charter cargo like Kalitta, Atlas, etc..

Thanks for any advice or input. Jokes are cool too, but they better be good.


rickair7777
07-29-2017, 07:00 AM
Most regionals would probably not care. Most majors will almost certainly care.

You probably need to go to a regional to get current anyway.

Being that heavy might cause something to pop up on the medical, but you know best your own health status.

Stay on the cardio, and mix in functional training as the weight comes off.

Long-term key is diet. I always worked out, but always ate a lot too. Even doing an average of an hour of hard cardio daily, plus strength/functional training (ex high-end military) I put on some weight as I aged. Finally got that under control by eating healthy foods, minimize desert and beer. Drink more red wine now instead of beer. Still eat plenty, just better stuff. Once you do that for a while, you don't crave the bad stuff so it's easy to stick with it. Get in a routine on your trips, otherwise that's where things go wrong for pilots.

Good luck, now's the time to get back to flying if you're going to.

kme9418
07-29-2017, 09:52 AM
When I look in the mirror I'm disgusted, but I'm back in the gym and losing weight steadily.

Good on you for making a change and making real progress. You can be proud of that. I've seen some "heavy" new hires at Airline X lately so I recommend you apply away.

Keep up the hard work and good luck!


jcountry
07-29-2017, 02:22 PM
Wait to apply or go for it?
I left the 121 biz (5,500 TT, 2,800 Turbine PIC) about 9 years ago to get custody of my Son. Well, that worked out, and I started my own company and in the process packed on an additional 130lbs. I'm working my way back down, but I'm still a walrus at 6'1 and 350 lbs. I have a 1st class medical and no sleep apnea issues.

When I look in the mirror I'm disgusted, but I'm back in the gym and losing weight steadily.

The question is: Should I wait 6 months and keep at the weight loss and not get laughed out of the interview, or just go for it.
To get back in the game I'm considering a regional, or maybe a charter cargo like Kalitta, Atlas, etc..

Thanks for any advice or input. Jokes are cool too, but they better be good.

NatuallySlim.

Great program. Change the way you eat. Change your life. Wonderful program!

viper548
07-30-2017, 06:57 PM
I've seen a few pilots WAY bigger than 350. If you don't have apnea you shouldn't have a problem getting a medical. They are screening for apnea though, so you may have to do additional testing.

OnGuard
08-30-2017, 11:59 AM
Absolutely apply! With that much TPIC, don't limit yourself to the regionals. If you want to work for a certain major - APPLY! Personally, I'd apply to all of them and then make the choice based on what you get. Hit AppStore.com/kineticoach for hotel workouts. Get a cooler bag and pack chicken and vegetables.

There is absolutely no reason you should wait to apply. Keep at it and change your life and your career.

Bluesville
08-31-2017, 11:56 AM
I say Go for the regional now. At my airline I seen a few guys lately heavier than 290 in the right seat. As someone mentioned above the regionals NEED pilots, you'll be surprised how fast they will reply to you and how easy the interview are these days. If you need any suggestions on a Regional feel free to ask.
My coach once told me I need to get back into shape, I said hey Round's a shape. Lame I know. good luck mane!

oh yeah.. hydrate, stay away from the bottle and get at least ONE cardio session in daily. you need to loose mass in the short term, not gain muscle. Once you get to a weight that's comfortable then you can start adding muscle strength into the mix. just my thoughts. you got this.

C130driver
08-31-2017, 12:19 PM
I'm not a nutritional expert so take it with a grain of salt; but losing weight comes down to diet- which sucks because being a pilot is never conducive to eating right. Simply cutting out carbs and sugar does wonders. Boosting the number of veggies and fruits you eat with lean meats coupled with exercise will yield results. Also stay away from sodium, salty foods. A lot of the weight people carry is actually water weight. If you have access to a sauna spend some time in there after a workout, you will literally sweat out the sodium.

Also, pure cardio won't help you lose weight as fast as an exercise program that combines weights and cardio (HIIT- high intensity interval training.) Some of these workouts take <20 mins and can be done in your hotel room on trips. Good luck!

rickair7777
08-31-2017, 03:57 PM
Absolutely apply! With that much TPIC, don't limit yourself to the regionals. If you want to work for a certain major - APPLY! Personally, I'd apply to all of them and then make the choice based on what you get. Hit AppStore.com/kineticoach for hotel workouts. Get a cooler bag and pack chicken and vegetables.

There is absolutely no reason you should wait to apply. Keep at it and change your life and your career.


I would suggest otherwise. There's a risk that his record would get him an interview, but they would be non-impressed when they met him in person. Then he would be either delayed or black-balled from another attempt at that major. Maybe an LCC, but I wouldn't go to a big-3 interview until I was an all-up round.

Moot point, he's been away from flying so he needs to get some recent time before majors will call anyway.

SonicFlyer
09-01-2017, 12:58 PM
What about going to fat camp for a month?

67Creek
09-01-2017, 02:24 PM
I've been doing a lot of research, but I'm still a wannabe right now, so take all of this with a grain of salt:

I'm sure you could get on with a regional. If you see the class photos that recruiting departments are putting on Facebook, size doesn't seem to be a problem. You'd be a very fast upgrade (could be as little as a few months) at some of the regionals. Or, since you have the TPIC, you could just work your way into a good line as a regional FO and spend your free time working on your fitness and whatever else would make you competitive for the majors.

If you're really worried about the ability to get to a major, you could get on with a regional that has a flow-through. Won't be fast, but it might be a decent insurance policy.

Good luck!

123494
09-02-2017, 07:18 PM
I lost about 80lbs while instructing and getting my hours before going to a regional. There were plenty of heavy guys in my class and I see them frequently on the line. As far as staying in shape when you're out flying, the diet is the biggest part. I'll try to mix the weight training and cardio in the hotel gyms. Just stay motivated and committed to a routine and you'll be fine.

LoneStarM1A
09-04-2017, 09:49 AM
Regionals or ACMI (Kalitta, Atlas, ATSG) probably won't care as long as you have the medical. I was 6'0' 260 ish when an ACMI hired me, about the same at a regional many years ago. Interview now if you can.

I've gained and lost 75 pounds 3-4 times in the past 10 years, but currently at 185 or so.

I'm sure you know what to do to lose it, but this last time I did subway (don't laugh) and it worked well because it's available everywhere, even overseas, and I could stick to the diet on layovers without having to try to pack my own food for 10-15 day trips (impossible). 2 6" double meat subs and a protein bar+protein shake is all I ate every day for a long time.

When I'm more than 50 pounds overweight, I find I can limit calories to 1500 or so without too much trouble, even with an hour of cardio, because your body can get something like 20 calories per day from each pound of fat. Ironically I have to eat more the closer I get to target or the workouts suffer drastically.

Chin up. I know people will call BS but a lot of it is genetic too. When I see my same-age wife pig out, never exercise and stay reasonably sized whereas I would absolutely blow up if I did the same, there's no question.

rickair7777
09-04-2017, 04:38 PM
Chin up. I know people will call BS but a lot of it is genetic too. When I see my same-age wife pig out, never exercise and stay reasonably sized whereas I would absolutely blow up if I did the same, there's no question.


Yes, there's a genetic component. But 99% of people can be hard-bodies if they really want to, but of course that depends on priorities and time available. I think getting to within a fairly healthy BMI range is achievable for most people, and if they think they don't have time they should probably try turning off the TV and reducing their screen time. I know way too many folks who complain about their crazy schedules and never having any time...like my stay-at-home-mom sister who spends 5 hours/day on FB :rolleyes:

mainlineAF
09-04-2017, 05:16 PM
Yes, there's a genetic component. But 99% of people can be hard-bodies if they really want to, but of course that depends on priorities and time available. I think getting to within a fairly healthy BMI range is achievable for most people, and if they think they don't have time they should probably try turning off the TV and reducing their screen time. I know way too many folks who complain about their crazy schedules and never having any time...like my stay-at-home-mom sister who spends 5 hours/day on FB :rolleyes:



Spot on. I don't care who you are if you eat healthy and exercise you will lose weight. It's all about how bad you want it.

LoneStarM1A
09-04-2017, 09:11 PM
Yes, there's a genetic component. But 99% of people can be hard-bodies if they really want to, but of course that depends on priorities and time available. I think getting to within a fairly healthy BMI range is achievable for most people, and if they think they don't have time they should probably try turning off the TV and reducing their screen time. I know way too many folks who complain about their crazy schedules and never having any time...like my stay-at-home-mom sister who spends 5 hours/day on FB :rolleyes:

Agreed, it's possible for most people to be in a normal BMI, it just takes a lot more discipline for some than others. Some of the genetics is probably a pre-disposition to eat more food too. I know I can easily eat 5000-6000 calories per day without batting an eye if I don't check myself, whereas that would probably make a lot of people physically ill.

Former AA Pilot
09-05-2017, 04:53 AM
YOU CAN DO IT!

I retired from American at age 52. Not for health reasons but to take an Executive role with another airline. I weighed 330LBS. When I was hired with American in 1998, I weighed 280lbs. Its all up to you. While we both may be "big guys" you or I can choose to change that.

Long story short...Don't let anyone or anything stand in your way when it comes to accomplishing your dream. Sure there are a lot of super physically fit guys and girls out there, but you dare to be different and strive to reach your goals. EVERYONE is hiring. Now is the time!

Best of LUCK!

Former AA Pilot
09-05-2017, 04:58 AM
I forgot one thing. I flew with my Chief Pilot in August of 2012. He insisted I go for a sleep study which I'm glad I did. I was diagnosed with Sleep Apnea. I've been using a CPAP machine ever since. I've even seen other IFO come back for their break and strap on a CPAP for sleep. I have NEVER had any issues passing my First Class medical. All you have to do is comply with CPAP usage and submit a letter once a year for the Medical Doctor. They issue the medical and the whole package is sent to the FAA Doctors for review. In about 2 weeks you get a revised medical which has ONE restriction. It states..NOT VALID FOR ANY CLASS one year from date of issue. Hence the reason you have to get the yearly letter. Hope this helps.

155mm
09-05-2017, 06:11 AM
Wait to apply or go for it?
I left the 121 biz (5,500 TT, 2,800 Turbine PIC) about 9 years ago to get custody of my Son. Well, that worked out, and I started my own company and in the process packed on an additional 130lbs. I'm working my way back down, but I'm still a walrus at 6'1 and 350 lbs. I have a 1st class medical and no sleep apnea issues.

When I look in the mirror I'm disgusted, but I'm back in the gym and losing weight steadily.

The question is: Should I wait 6 months and keep at the weight loss and not get laughed out of the interview, or just go for it.
To get back in the game I'm considering a regional, or maybe a charter cargo like Kalitta, Atlas, etc..

Thanks for any advice or input. Jokes are cool too, but they better be good.

Go get a First Class! Hiring is good and they certainly won't "laugh" with your qualifications! Keep up the good work. Daily aerobic exercise is important but watch what you put in your mouth...its everything. I've been on a Low carb "paleo" combined with exercise and quit drinking soda pop. Unfortunate side effect was a kidney stone. It's the most excruciating pain I've ever had, so drink plenty of water.

My doc showed me a piece of paper and said, "if it don't taste like this paper, spit it out". That's B.S.! I've been eating great just eliminated simple sugars, bread, pasta, rice, desserts, etc.

SonicFlyer
09-05-2017, 03:55 PM
I forgot one thing. I flew with my Chief Pilot in August of 2012. He insisted I go for a sleep study which I'm glad I did. I was diagnosed with Sleep Apnea. I've been using a CPAP machine ever since. I've even seen other IFO come back for their break and strap on a CPAP for sleep. I have NEVER had any issues passing my First Class medical. All you have to do is comply with CPAP usage and submit a letter once a year for the Medical Doctor. They issue the medical and the whole package is sent to the FAA Doctors for review. In about 2 weeks you get a revised medical which has ONE restriction. It states..NOT VALID FOR ANY CLASS one year from date of issue. Hence the reason you have to get the yearly letter. Hope this helps.
What kind of case do you have to carry it around in? Do you put it in your luggage, or use a separate case? I've been thinking about getting a Pelican box for mine.

Former AA Pilot
09-06-2017, 05:05 AM
I had a small, soft side case which worked great. It clipped on to my suitcase and worked great for carrying all over the world.

AJ Crowley
09-08-2017, 04:34 PM
First you should apply. Don't wait! Second don't listen to a single piece of diet advise you've seen here. Ignore all the internet woo, and bro science. Go see a registered dietian( not a nutritionist), and listen to their advise on eating. A RD is a health professional that can set you up on the right meal plan for you. Weight lose is nearly 100% diet, as excerise can not overcome poor diet.

rickair7777
09-09-2017, 02:46 PM
First you should apply. Don't wait! Second don't listen to a single piece of diet advise you've seen here. Ignore all the internet woo, and bro science. Go see a registered dietian( not a nutritionist), and listen to their advise on eating. A RD is a health professional that can set you up on the right meal plan for you. Weight lose is nearly 100% diet, as excerise can not overcome poor diet.

My other sister is an RD, she'll tell you both exercise and diet are important for health and maintenance of weight. Anybody who tells you that you can skip the exercise is trying to sell you diet shakes or something.

There is a balance between diet and exercise, and there's some trade space between the two. I've consumed up to 8,000 calories/day while participating in a fitness program courtesy of the military, not an ounce of body fat to be found back then. Of course that involved at least ten hours/day of strenuous exertion...

AJ Crowley
09-10-2017, 12:47 PM
My other sister is an RD, she'll tell you both exercise and diet are important for health and maintenance of weight. Anybody who tells you that you can skip the exercise is trying to sell you diet shakes or something.

There is a balance between diet and exercise, and there's some trade space between the two. I've consumed up to 8,000 calories/day while participating in a fitness program courtesy of the military, not an ounce of body fat to be found back then. Of course that involved at least ten hours/day of strenuous exertion...

I never said you can skip exercise. I said exercise can not overcome poor diet. Diet is the single most important issue for weight control. Unless you are a professional athlete you can not burn enough calories to make up for poor food choices.

rickair7777
09-10-2017, 02:23 PM
I never said you can skip exercise. I said exercise can not overcome poor diet. Diet is the single most important issue for weight control. Unless you are a professional athlete you can not burn enough calories to make up for poor food choices.

I agree, a regular person is going to need the dietary aspect too. Unless you're training for an iron-man or the like.

Learflyer
09-10-2017, 05:37 PM
In a nutshell, you can't out exercise a bad diet. It's a balance like stated above.


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