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DLconnection
08-10-2017, 11:11 PM
What are Allegiants junior crew bases ?

Whats the hire date of the most junior CVG FO ? how long would it take to hold this base if hired today ?


skydisaster
08-11-2017, 04:56 PM
This is a difficult question at any airline, but it is almost impossible to answer at Allegiant. With our numerous small bases, the length of time to get a specific base, varies greatly over time. You can hold most bases within a year. Some bases can take up to 18-24 months depending on which airplane you are assigned.

Currently the most junior CVG FO is a September 2016 hire. I suspect that CVG will be slightly faster for someone hired today because of IND opening in February.


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tom11011
08-14-2017, 07:42 AM
Probably the most junior base is Oakland assuming you get the airbus.

We will only have 2 MD80 bases very shortly, LAS and SFB.


ecam
08-15-2017, 07:29 AM
What are Allegiants junior crew bases ?

Whats the hire date of the most junior CVG FO ? how long would it take to hold this base if hired today ?

Junior FO bases vary, but LAX, OAK, FLL and PGD go to Bus new hires often. LAS for the 80.

Antiskid
08-18-2017, 11:57 PM
After reading through older Allegiant threads, the schedule doesn't seem to be commuter friendly. Although I could not find anything on OAK/Airbus specifically. Can anyone provide basic schedule info for OAK?

labbats
08-19-2017, 05:25 AM
Why put a square peg in a round hole? Why apply to the only airline where you can be home every night just so you can commute?

Those of us who have done it were unhappy. The VBD base is likely to shrink away to only the senior commuters when we go all Airbus.

BlueHenFR8Dawg
08-19-2017, 04:12 PM
Why put a square peg in a round hole? Why apply to the only airline where you can be home every night just so you can commute? Those of us who have done it were unhappy.

Oh, but they're out there. Stupid is, as stupid does..

CAirBear
08-19-2017, 05:31 PM
Oh, but they're out there. Stupid is, as stupid does..

OP, If you are based in one of our large bases and your home is served by Allegiant (as well as other airlines) it isn't that bad. I'll give you an example.

Been here not even one year. SFB based and on RSV. M-Thu 5am RSV all month. Flight home is on company metal at 330 on Thursday afternoon. Flight back to work Sun night at 6pm on company.

As for those that think commuters must be absolutely miserable, I beg to differ.

I rent a room out of a house just north of Sanford with another Allegiant guy and his wife. He is a friend from a previous airline. I have a car in base and hang out with other friends at the beach/golf unless I get called. So far I haven't done anything this month. I'm also on the Bus which makes working RSV an entirely differnent job. My housemate is on the -80. It's night and day differnt for us. Wow.

In essence I have 2 lives. I have my work life where I live in FL during the week, then I have my real life at home. But trust me when I tell you my life isn't "miserable" because I don't "live in base".

With all that said, you have to be smart if your gonna commute. You can live in podunk airport with 2 regional flights a day and be based in BLI. It's not going to work. Period.

If your based in a large Allegiant base, with plenty of other airline traffic and you have a one leg commute on both company metal and OALs, it's not that difficult.

P.S I know literally no one that would willfully want to live in Oakland. If you have lots of one leg options commute there Until you can get into a much more desirable city/base.

labbats
08-19-2017, 06:55 PM
Glad you are happy. Just beware that with the single fleet will go excess reserves and the lifestyle you enjoy.

Machaca
08-20-2017, 07:35 AM
Glad you are happy. Just beware that with the single fleet will go excess reserves and the lifestyle you enjoy.

Curious about this...isn't the company overstaffing the reserves once the transition is complete? The AB side seems horrendously overstaffed now, and since there allegedly won't be a one for one transition, aren't we looking at a 4 to 4.5 crews per airframe rather than the meager 3 to 3.5 we see on the -80? The impression I'm getting is that those of us on the bottom 3rd of the base list are looking at perma-reserve.

labbats
08-20-2017, 07:57 AM
On repeated conference calls with investors management has said they have an excess float of pilots for the transition duration.

This will go away when a single fleet is complete. Too much training and overlap now for the lean operation they prefer.

While I don't claim to have all the answers I've seen many years of pilots planning their future here solely on present conditions. Only one thing at Allegiant remains constant and that is maximum pilot productivity for maximum profits.

The posts reflecting sitting at home on Airbus reserve and not getting called is a reflection of a temporary condition, not a lifestyle to plan on.

This is one of the best gigs in the aviation world. I'm glad to be a part of it and I'm glad many have the chance to enjoy it too. I'm just advising that things can and will go back to lean staffing. Ask anyone that has been here a while and they will likely agree.

G4IND
08-20-2017, 09:02 PM
What new routes should we expect from the base in IND?

ecam
08-21-2017, 07:40 AM
What new routes should we expect from the base in IND?

Vacation Destinations.

Cute screen name :rolleyes:

trickeriche
08-21-2017, 08:12 AM
After reading through older Allegiant threads, the schedule doesn't seem to be commuter friendly. Although I could not find anything on OAK/Airbus specifically. Can anyone provide basic schedule info for OAK?If you bid #1, you can have a commuter "friendly" schedule. If you bid #2-#7, you will not have a commuter friendly schedule. All subject to change if a second plane is added.

Beretta01
08-21-2017, 08:35 AM
If you bid #1, you can have a commuter "friendly" schedule. If you bid #2-#7, you will not have a commuter friendly schedule. All subject to change if a second plane is added.

Minus spending every night in a crashpad....

G4IND
08-21-2017, 04:50 PM
Vacation Destinations.

Cute screen name :rolleyes:

Thanks for the specificity....:rolleyes:

Are SJU, LAX, e.t.c possible?

ecam
08-21-2017, 07:00 PM
Thanks for the specificity....:rolleyes:

Are SJU, LAX, e.t.c possible?

I don't know. Unfortunately I also didn't win the power ball.

If anyone knows, can you pick me up a lotto ticket? Thanks.

skydisaster
08-21-2017, 07:22 PM
Thanks for the specificity....:rolleyes:



Are SJU, LAX, e.t.c possible?



AUS SFB FLL JAX LAS MYR MSY IWA are the current destinations that we are selling tickets for out of IND. Some of those will be flown by IND crews and some won't.


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akulahunter
08-22-2017, 04:46 PM
I know that on the last few investor calls they said we are overstaffed and they also said on the last one we would be hiring about 10 a month for the foreseeable future.

Sooooo, about three weeks ago when I was in LAS, I was told we are hiring 10-11 new Bus instructors. Add to that, this month's class is over 20, next month is over 40, and they are gearing up for 30 a month for "a while."

Are they planning on serious attrition soon? If not, something doesn't add up...

CAirBear
08-22-2017, 05:22 PM
I know that on the last few investor calls they said we are overstaffed and they also said on the last one we would be hiring about 10 a month for the foreseeable future.

Sooooo, about three weeks ago when I was in LAS, I was told we are hiring 10-11 new Bus instructors. Add to that, this month's class is over 20, next month is over 40, and they are gearing up for 30 a month for "a while."

Are they planning on serious attrition soon? If not, something doesn't add up...

Exactly. This massive hiring spree doesn't add up at all. It's great to see though!

JustWatching
08-22-2017, 06:25 PM
I know that on the last few investor calls they said we are overstaffed and they also said on the last one we would be hiring about 10 a month for the foreseeable future.

Sooooo, about three weeks ago when I was in LAS, I was told we are hiring 10-11 new Bus instructors. Add to that, this month's class is over 20, next month is over 40, and they are gearing up for 30 a month for "a while."

Are they planning on serious attrition soon? If not, something doesn't add up...

Jude left and the plan to maintain the status quo while the transition happened was put to rest. Expansion is back on and hiring will boom.

disco inferno
08-23-2017, 06:50 AM
Jude left and the plan to maintain the status quo while the transition happened was put to rest. Expansion is back on and hiring will boom.
Jude left to pave the way for a smoothe merger with Sun Country. You heard it here first.

crxpilot
08-23-2017, 07:02 AM
Jude left to pave the way for a smoothe merger with Sun Country. You heard it here first.

They have nothing Allegiant wants.

Beretta01
08-23-2017, 07:07 AM
They have nothing Allegiant wants.

Agreed. I doubt we'd acquire them "for pilots" either, since we have plenty of very well qualified applicants beating down the door for a job here.

Multiple managers have said that Jude didn't exactly "leave" on his own terms, either.

disco inferno
08-23-2017, 08:36 AM
They have nothing Allegiant wants.
Stop ruining my fun with your logic.:D

j3cub
08-23-2017, 12:34 PM
They have nothing Allegiant wants.

Caribbean and Mexico...

skydisaster
08-23-2017, 12:35 PM
Caribbean and Mexico...



And the ability to do lots of sub-service.


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disco inferno
08-23-2017, 12:39 PM
And the ability to do lots of sub-service.


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And something other than AIS.

N1sync
08-24-2017, 08:49 AM
After reading through older Allegiant threads, the schedule doesn't seem to be commuter friendly. Although I could not find anything on OAK/Airbus specifically. Can anyone provide basic schedule info for OAK?

Oakland has a relatively busy schedule for their 1 airframe with flying 7 days a week. You have lots of commuting options on SW and then SJC/SFO can serve as decent backups. I think most pilots based there live in their parents basement but there's a few that suck it up and rent/buy a place. Lots of SW pilots live on boats which may be a good option. Reserve guys never get called and you would most likely receive a courtesy call the day before if you were to be used. It's a very small, isolated base and it doesn't operate like the rest of the company due to that fact.

OzarkALPilot
08-27-2017, 09:53 AM
Any truth to the VPS base rumors

tom11011
08-27-2017, 12:02 PM
Any truth to the VPS base rumors

It's not really a rumor, its probably going to happen. It comes up all the time at our town hall meetings and it looks promising. Right now its a temporary seasonal base but that could change.

I am not exactly sure what criteria they will use to decide but they seem very happy with the numbers.

NickAdams
08-27-2017, 05:07 PM
Anyone care to comment on the AVL base? Don't see much on here about it. What would life be like there as opposed to a big base like LAS or SFB?

NickAdams
09-07-2017, 05:41 PM
Anybody???

dutch rudder
09-08-2017, 08:47 AM
Anybody???

Guess AVL guys don't forum. I'm not based there but I can give you some info.

10 captains: 5 lines, 2 composite, 3 reserve. 9 FO's: 4 lines, 1 composite, 4 reserve. 2 MD80's I think (transition to Airbus in November this year). I think it's moderately senior.

Can't comment on QOL. I assume it's good. You may fly a lot on reserve since AVL is close enough to cover FL bases. That's all I got.

ecam
09-08-2017, 10:23 AM
Several new hires got it in the most recent class. I hear there's still openings.

Shangri La
09-11-2018, 08:09 PM
Hey all, sorry to dredge up an old thread, but figured this is the best place to ask. Seeing how allegiant is one of the most un-commuter friendly airlines to work for, generally how stable are the bases? Obviously noone has a working crystal ball, but say iwa, or avl for example. What would be the likelihood of bases like that surviving the next recession?

skydisaster
09-11-2018, 08:23 PM
Hey all, sorry to dredge up an old thread, but figured this is the best place to ask. Seeing how allegiant is one of the most un-commuter friendly airlines to work for, generally how stable are the bases? Obviously noone has a working crystal ball, but say iwa, or avl for example. What would be the likelihood of bases like that surviving the next recession?



No base is guaranteed to survive at Allegiant, but the larger bases are fairly secure. (LAS, IWA, SFB, PIE, PGD)


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ecam
09-12-2018, 06:43 AM
What would be the likelihood of bases like that surviving the next recession?

Allegiant actually tends to do well during recessions because people still go on vacation. They just drift away from the large full service airlines and choose us. We did relatively well in the last recession, but we also didn't have the ULCC competition we have now. But our core business model (farm to Florida, farm to desert) actually does better in poor economic times. And the large bases aren't going anywhere.

dutch rudder
09-12-2018, 06:47 AM
Hey all, sorry to dredge up an old thread, but figured this is the best place to ask. Seeing how allegiant is one of the most un-commuter friendly airlines to work for, generally how stable are the bases? Obviously noone has a working crystal ball, but say iwa, or avl for example. What would be the likelihood of bases like that surviving the next recession?

No base is guaranteed to survive at any airline. Generally speaking, the bases with the most flying, and subsequently the most pilots and aircraft, will be the most likely to survive. These bases have the most resources, diverse routes, and long track record of profitability. If you think about it, this rule applies everywhere, not just Allegiant. Delta isn't closing ATL... but what about CVG?

Like Sky disaster said, IWA, LAS, SFB, PIE, and PGD are most likely here forever. Next is CVG. Then our other bases in order of the characteristics stated above. I think TYS would be the winner for most unstable... 1 airplane, new base, etc. Obviously there are other factors, like BLI and its connection to the strength of the Canadian dollar. Anything could happen.

Any G4 folk know when the last base closure was anyway? GRR? I can't remember.

ecam
09-12-2018, 07:03 AM
No base is guaranteed to survive at any airline. Generally speaking, the bases with the most flying, and subsequently the most pilots and aircraft, will be the most likely to survive. These bases have the most resources, diverse routes, and long track record of profitability. If you think about it, this rule applies everywhere, not just Allegiant. Delta isn't closing ATL... but what about CVG?

Like Sky disaster said, IWA, LAS, SFB, PIE, and PGD are most likely here forever. Next is CVG. Then our other bases in order of the characteristics stated above. I think TYS would be the winner for most unstable... 1 airplane, new base, etc. Obviously there are other factors, like BLI and its connection to the strength of the Canadian dollar. Anything could happen.

Any G4 folk know when the last base closure was anyway? GRR? I can't remember.

GRR

filler

KC135
09-12-2018, 09:37 AM
HNL was the last. The big 5 mentioned above are solid.

9easy
09-12-2018, 10:24 AM
I would say the most unpredictable base is OAK. I think there's more flying from Stockton than Oakland.

dutch rudder
09-12-2018, 03:55 PM
HNL was the last. The big 5 mentioned above are solid.

I completely forgot about HNL

DoubleUp686
09-12-2018, 04:21 PM
Guess AVL guys don't forum. I'm not based there but I can give you some info.

10 captains: 5 lines, 2 composite, 3 reserve. 9 FO's: 4 lines, 1 composite, 4 reserve. 2 MD80's I think (transition to Airbus in November this year). I think it's moderately senior.

Can't comment on QOL. I assume it's good. You may fly a lot on reserve since AVL is close enough to cover FL bases. That's all I got.


AVL reserves actually don't typically work too much. Sometimes you cover an open trip or a sick call, but usually both planes are out, so getting called for a rescue is extremely rare.

wilco811
09-13-2018, 05:37 AM
I would say the most unpredictable base is OAK. I think there's more flying from Stockton than Oakland.

But for some reason OAK has 11-12 CAs. In the slow season the base has less than 150 block hours. The weirdest base but might be the best place to bid reserve.

labbats
09-13-2018, 06:53 AM
I disagree. Unlike AVL itís pretty easy to catch a flight out of OAK and cover any other base for a few days.

Not fun getting a 90 minute callout to be away from home a few days.

wilco811
09-13-2018, 11:57 AM
I disagree. Unlike AVL itís pretty easy to catch a flight out of OAK and cover any other base for a few days.

Not fun getting a 90 minute callout to be away from home a few days.

Youíd think that but I was there for a bit and I did a few trips outta lax IWA but was always brought back to base the same day. Itís strange why we have 11 CAs for only 1 plane though.

9easy
09-13-2018, 02:52 PM
Almost every destination out of OAK could also be covered from another base, except MEM. Obviously they have a reason for keeping it open with the massive overhead it must be creating for a single airframe, but it's hard to figure out.

Gone Flying
10-04-2018, 11:20 AM
I know it is currently a moot point due to lack of hiring but how jr were SFB and PIE going when there was movement, and any idea how jr they will go once hiring resumes? I know this is a moving target but any insights would help.

one more thing, about how many crews are in each base?
Thanks in advance!

grnclvrs
10-06-2018, 08:45 AM
I know it is currently a moot point due to lack of hiring but how jr were SFB and PIE going when there was movement, and any idea how jr they will go once hiring resumes? I know this is a moving target but any insights would help.

one more thing, about how many crews are in each base?
Thanks in advance!

You'll have no problem getting SFB or PIE as a new hire but forget about upgrading to either.

CAirBear
10-17-2018, 06:35 AM
Anyone got any juicy intel on possible base announcement this coming Town Hall? The last call said they should announce another by the end of this year.

Really hoping itís BLV (if it canít be DSM of course lol).

We shall see. Definitely a decent amount of flying out of BLV.

wilco811
10-17-2018, 06:50 AM
Iíve heard DSM AUS GRR BNA and one more I forgot. I heard one maybe this year the rest sometime next year.

CAirBear
10-17-2018, 10:59 AM
Iíve heard DSM AUS GRR BNA and one more I forgot. I heard one maybe this year the rest sometime next year.

Nice! Thank you.

KC135
10-17-2018, 11:52 AM
You'll have no problem getting SFB or PIE as a new hire but forget about upgrading to either.

This is accurate. Also just to add, some have upgraded in more junior bases such as PGD and got hired into the sfb sim. It's also a way for a junior SFB FO or CA to make more money vs sitting reserve. It's the largest base with about 15% of the total list there.

JungleJetDriver
10-18-2018, 02:45 PM
Is VPS a possible base for a new hire next year?

tom11011
10-18-2018, 02:57 PM
Is VPS a possible base for a new hire next year?


Whenever hiring resumes, I predict it will be pretty junior. Reason being is its a difficult commute if you do not live there. Several junior captains right now as well.

JungleJetDriver
10-18-2018, 03:37 PM
Whenever hiring resumes, I predict it will be pretty junior. Reason being is its a difficult commute if you do not live there. Several junior captains right now as well.

Thanks Tom! App has been updated in hopes of the new year.

ecam
10-19-2018, 08:12 AM
With the latest head count projections and the credible rumor we now aren't getting 5 more planes we were slated to get, don't look for any hiring in 2019.

crxpilot
10-19-2018, 12:52 PM
With the latest head count projections and the credible rumor we now aren't getting 5 more planes we were slated to get, don't look for any hiring in 2019.
Potential furlough?

JungleJetDriver
10-19-2018, 12:54 PM
Noooooooooo!!!

SladeTin
10-19-2018, 05:00 PM
With the latest head count projections and the credible rumor we now aren't getting 5 more planes we were slated to get, don't look for any hiring in 2019.

Definitely looks like a lot of stagnation for a long time to come. It wasnít that long ago that people were upgrading in a year or less. Now I donít think itís unrealistic to expect 7-10 year upgrades depending on where youíre looking to be based. Pretty unbelievable that we will likely go two years without hiring in the most pilot friendly hiring period in decades.

labbats
10-20-2018, 04:35 AM
Would be a big benefit to have the plan going forward. The issues mentioned above seem to clash with the idea that all growth was waiting on the fleet transition to end.

If no updates to our fleet plan soon I will start leaning towards the idea of stagnation. Until then Iím optimistic. Hopefully we get hear something in the next few weeks.

RunningB
10-20-2018, 05:22 AM
Would be a big benefit to have the plan going forward. The issues mentioned above seem to clash with the idea that all growth was waiting on the fleet transition to end.


"After the small pause to complete the transition things are going to go gangbusters... growth/planes/hiring/bases galore. We're just on the leading edge of the wave" - quoted several times over the past year from those that should be in the know. Time to put up or shut up

An official plan would be great though... I understand you can't tip your hand too much but I'd say no news is bad news

disco inferno
10-20-2018, 06:15 AM
"After the small pause to complete the transition things are going to go gangbusters... growth/planes/hiring/bases galore. We're just on the leading edge of the wave" - quoted several times over the past year from those that should be in the know. Time to put up or shut up

An official plan would be great though... I understand you can't tip your hand too much but I'd say no news is bad news
The lack of any real long term plan is unsettling. Any one of us can literally go anywhere assuming you have a clean record. If the future of this "airline" is going to be go karts, laser tag, put put golf and condo's I think many of us would be well served to seek employment elsewhere. There are plenty of other airlines with better pay, more diverse flying, better equipment and a focus on running an actual airline.


The next year will be very telling in regards to Allegiants real plans. I'd get ahead of the game and get your apps now.

Machaca
10-20-2018, 06:44 AM
The lack of any real long term plan is unsettling. Any one of us can literally go anywhere assuming you have a clean record. If the future of this "airline" is going to be go karts, laser tag, put put golf and condo's I think many of us would be well served to seek employment elsewhere. There are plenty of other airlines with better pay, more diverse flying, better equipment and a focus on running an actual airline.


The next year will be very telling in regards to Allegiants real plans. I'd get ahead of the game and get your apps now.

When has this company not played "I have a secret"?

disco inferno
10-20-2018, 07:11 AM
When has this company not played "I have a secret"?
True. But the hiring environment for now and for the foreseeable future at the legacies and elsewhere is highly favorable. Now would be a good time to show your cards. Some of us have an upcoming interview. ;)

CAirBear
10-20-2018, 07:40 AM
Word is, we signed a deal for X number of Buses with (Iím assuming) a middle-man 3rd party company. Well, we arenít the only airline looking to buy used aircraft.

Another airline swooped in and, despite a contract signed by us, outbid us. Said company paid us a ďpenaltyĒ to get out of our deal and now someone has these aircraft. I would say this scenario is likely true and did happen. 🙄

ecam
10-20-2018, 07:45 AM
Potential furlough?

Furlough during the biggest airline hiring boom in 50 years? If they furlough that will be the sign for everyone still here to blow the escape slides. It will mean we are definitely going out of business as an airline because they will never get another pilot worth his salt to come work here and they won't play that card unless the decision is made. And the furloughees will be working at the big 4 or our competitor ULCCs within a few months. Those who wait to see what happens will be their FOs.

Vegaspilot
10-20-2018, 09:52 AM
Well if they truly only want 7.1 pilots per plane and the airframe number gets stuck at 77...thatís a whopping 547 pilots.


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Vegaspilot
10-20-2018, 09:55 AM
The lack of any real long term plan is unsettling. Any one of us can literally go anywhere assuming you have a clean record. If the future of this "airline" is going to be go karts, laser tag, put put golf and condo's I think many of us would be well served to seek employment elsewhere. There are plenty of other airlines with better pay, more diverse flying, better equipment and a focus on running an actual airline.


The next year will be very telling in regards to Allegiants real plans. I'd get ahead of the game and get your apps now.



I remember being told that Andrew Levy told a recurrent class once when asked what the 5 year plan was that they didnít have one. Told them they never looked more than 3-4 months down the road. Class was appalled. Looks like the same mindset.


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KC135
10-20-2018, 01:14 PM
Stay optimistic. The airline just doubled in about 2 years and is still managing to grow revenue and asm over 10% during an aggressive transition. There is still going to be over 100 people in the school house until about March/April and it will take a bit to grow the airline into the excess. The hotel isn't taking away from any opportunities from growing the airline since the challenge is all on finding airframes. The 5 year plan was posted, it's about 10% growth of the total fleet each year give or take. While the balance sheet is nowhere near as strong as WN for example, the debt is still relatively conservative with a 6.6X EBIT over payments. Should the hotel fail it will not put the airline at any risk, the tax savings alone on the hotel financing is over 200m over the next 5 years. Wait until summer 2019 before getting disgruntled. Just my 2 cents.

FreshWater
10-20-2018, 06:07 PM
No first officer and/or anyone not holding a significant enough seniority number shouldn't be waiting for anything any longer. Waiting until summer and hoping g4 turns the corner and starts running an airline, instead of constantly battling the pilots. Allegiant management (my guess) just lost probably a little over ten million dollars in settlement to Captain Kinzer’s legal team. That’s how g4 management would rather spend their energies; Drudging swamps for hotels, go-karts and goofy-golf and picking fights with the pilots to convince us we are ‘Travel company’ employees. This isn’t going to change in 6 months.

akulahunter
10-28-2018, 10:18 PM
The lack of any real long term plan is unsettling. Any one of us can literally go anywhere assuming you have a clean record. If the future of this "airline" is going to be go karts, laser tag, put put golf and condo's I think many of us would be well served to seek employment elsewhere. There are plenty of other airlines with better pay, more diverse flying, better equipment and a focus on running an actual airline.


The next year will be very telling in regards to Allegiants real plans. I'd get ahead of the game and get your apps now.

You first! (As long as you are senior to me, if you are junior, you should definitely stay!)

Last rumor I heard was hiring in June (if it goes that long, I'll owe ecam a drink) and staffing target at just under 8/plane. However, that was based on attrition of 4-5 per month. My thought is that if they truly want to wait until summer to hire AND want to keep manning that low (preventing significant movement), attrition will be significantly higher than 4 or 5 per month. After the last two months of attrition, we are back under the number of pilots we had last November... I don't expect it will slow down if something positive on the hiring front isn't announced soon.

The question is, will they realize their mistake before they are significantly behind the curve? Not hiring for a few months in this environment is a giant negative, we might as well not exist as far as most guys (looking for jobs) see it. Another 6-8 months wait and running thin isn't going to help our cause any...

tom11011
10-29-2018, 02:16 PM
Town hall is tomorrow, should be interesting.

CAirBear
10-29-2018, 04:14 PM
Town hall is tomorrow, should be interesting.

Im ****ed now that it isn't an open Q and A (instead of issuing questions beforehand for a moderator to ask). We woulda raised some hell.

Why we have not struck, especially after the company changing everything about how SmartPref is supposed to work now, is unbelievably unacceptable on every level.

I will wait for "official" communications from said folks, but I'm seriously about done with this BS here.



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