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kukailimoku
08-11-2017, 12:13 PM
I was recently selected by the 199th in Hawaii to fly F22s in the ANG. I am extremely excited to serve my country and doing it in this capacity and in this location is an absolute dream. I am asking for any advice this board is willing to offer. I'll be the first to admit I've got the blinders on when it comes to this opportunity and I am looking for some advice and help in taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture of my overall aviation career - there's a lot of danger in not knowing what you don't know.

What can I be doing now, during the 6-12 month lull before OTS, to better myself and further my career as both an officer and pilot?

What are things you wish you had known or started doing earlier in your career?

Is there anything in particular I should know regarding my future airframe in relation to how it can affect my overall aviation career? (e.g. does the multi time count toward requirements, etc.)

Are there any particulars I should be aware of now when it comes to preparing for a career with the airlines in the future? I'm not sure this is the eventual route I want to go and it's a long time away from now, but I don't want to dismiss the airlines while I'm young just to be kicking myself in the future.

Any other aviation items I should consider? I love flying and want to make the most of this and any other opportunities, and hopefully help/serve/train others along the way.


Packrat
08-11-2017, 01:00 PM
1. Get in the best physical shape of your life.
2. Read up on basic flying stuff...aerodynamics, powerplants, etc.
3. Forget the airlines for now. Concentrate on being the best Air Force officer you can.

Adlerdriver
08-11-2017, 01:27 PM
First, congrats on your selection. Obviously you're fired up and rightly so.
I was recently selected by the 199th in Hawaii to fly F22s in the ANG.
Not to pour cold water on this whole thing too much, but let's try to keep things in perspective. You were selected to attend OTS, UPT (UFT, whatever they call it now) and IFF. Upon successful completion of all that training, THEN train to become an F22 pilot. So, you've got a few milestones to reach before you're flying F22s in the ANG.

I would suggest you focus on the near term goal of successfully completing OTS before you worry about the next phase. Keep doing that as you move through training. Wasting much time on the F-22 phase of your training at this point isn't going to be productive. You've got some very busy years ahead of you before that even becomes a factor.

What can I be doing now, during the 6-12 month lull before OTS, to better myself and further my career as both an officer and pilot?Take care of yourself. Make sure you're in top physical condition and avoid doing things that might risk your medical clearance as an AF pilot. If you have your PPL, maybe fly a small amount to remain current and comfortable in the aircraft. Don't go crazy as there will be a point where an abundance of civilian hours probably won't really help. If no PPL, at least get someone to take you through initial solo. If you can get into an acrobatic capable aircraft, spending a few hours training on some basics probably will help you.

Is there anything in particular I should know regarding my future airframe in relation to how it can affect my overall aviation career? (e.g. does the multi time count toward requirements, etc.) Dude, if you're worrying about meeting hiring minimums for an airline job at this stage of the game, you have got your priorities totally out of whack. I don't know what the 199th does about "seasoning" for new guard babies, but my guess is you are going to spend at least the next 5 years minimum doing nothing but trying to become the absolute best F-22 pilot you can be. That will be a full time job and will get you to the point where you probably won't kill yourself or someone else. Full time fighter pilots (whether active duty or ANG) take YEARS after finishing initial training in their weapon system to be a fully capable, experienced and lethal addition to their squadron. Once you have a set of AF wings on your chest, that needs to be your one and only mission.

Many part time ANG fighter pilots have 10+ years of experience and thousands of hours flying their fighter before they become traditional guardsmen flying part time. It's because of that experience that they are able to leave the cockpit for a few weeks, fly an airline job and then return with some capability to bring their A-game to the fighter.

So, just a word of caution. Don't be in too big a hurry to put any other priorities ahead of becoming the best officer, then student pilot, IFF pilot and fighter pilot you can be for the foreseeable future.

Good luck.


rickair7777
08-11-2017, 01:28 PM
Don't worry too much about airlines for now. Flying a twin-engine fighter in the guard (especially one with high curb appeal) will set you up just fine for the airlines, both in terms of resume and network. Yes, the multi-time counts.

At some point you'll probably want to look at civilian time building since it could take many years of military flying to meet airline flight-time thresholds. But you can worry about that once you run out of active-duty status flying opportunities.

kukailimoku
08-11-2017, 01:49 PM
So, just a word of caution. Don't be in too big a hurry to put any other priorities ahead of becoming the best officer, then student pilot, IFF pilot and fighter pilot you can be for the foreseeable future.

Good luck.

Thank you very much for the advice and insights. I do want to apologize if I gave off any tone of this not being my priority, as it is my only one and will be my only one for the next 12 years (hopefully 20+). Just wanted to get some insights from the airline pilot forums.

Adlerdriver
08-11-2017, 02:00 PM
Thank you very much for the advice and insights. You're welcome. Keep us updated on your progress and make sure you have fun. This will be an amazing experience. For many years to come you have one awesome job. You get to live, eat, and breathe aviation and get paid for it.

rickair7777
08-11-2017, 02:22 PM
Thank you very much for the advice and insights. I do want to apologize if I gave off any tone of this not being my priority, as it is my only one and will be my only one for the next 12 years (hopefully 20+). Just wanted to get some insights from the airline pilot forums.


Don't worry about it. At least you're smart enough to ask questions.

Be aware that aviation is a small world, and your part of it is even smaller. Assume that anything you say online can be attributed to you.

Sliceback
08-11-2017, 02:30 PM
F-22 ANG? What a great deal. Congratulations.

Improve your SUPT odds? Get some instrument training and aerobatics time. The more comfortable you are in those areas the easier you'll transition into USAF flying. Don't worry about becoming an expert, just get more used to it.

Starting in T-6's departures and arrivals are often VFR overlays on SID's and STAR's. That's why basic instrument experience helps.

Guys with more time tend to do ok but it's not a guarantee. Everyone has to perform to the standards. Thinking that experience equals an automatic pass is a good way to wash out.

kukailimoku
08-11-2017, 03:24 PM
Get some instrument training and aerobatics time.

Starting in T-6's departures and arrivals are often VFR overlays on SID's and STAR's. That's why basic instrument experience helps.

Thinking that experience equals an automatic pass is a good way to wash out.

Thanks. Just loaded up the FAA Instrument Flying & Procedures Handbooks...that should keep me busy for a while.

Any specific maneuvers I should focus on for aerobatics? I have some initial training but havenít dived too deep.

duece12345
08-12-2017, 04:32 AM
I was you about 13yrs ago, except heavies not fighters. Here is what I did....

1)Hit the gym. AMS (I think its all OTS now???) day one is a PTtest. USAF PT tests aren't that bad, but you have to past or you go home.

2)Don't think about flying, you will get plenty of that really really soon. I wouldnt pay for any ratings.

3)get a low stress job if you aren't currently employed. I waited tables. Best job I have ever had. I was single and got more action there then my 4 years at an SEC college! Training is stressful. It is designed that way. Relax now.

4) take money from #3, max out Roth IRA (EVERY year), and pay off any debt.
You will thank me for this later, I promise.

5) get enlisted in your unit and burn up all the UTAs you will miss in training. Pick the brains of the guys fresh out of training. See what they would have done differently.

Good luck!

C130driver
08-12-2017, 04:55 AM
Congrats! Stay out of trouble, seriously. When you have the next decade or so of your adult life set solid people (myself included ~12-13 years ago) tend to go dumb and do stupid things to jeopardize that career.

navigatro
08-12-2017, 06:25 AM
take it easy on the high-risk activities.

I know 2 guys who were seriously injured while waiting for AMS/OTS class dates.

1. tore ACL on basketball court - medically disqualified, lost UPT slot.

2. broke leg on ski slope - delayed UPT by a year.

just be careful and congrats.

MagentaLiner
08-12-2017, 11:42 PM
Congrats on being selected. Its a big deal.

As others have said, for the next 5 years or so I wouldn't even think about airlines.

You're getting ready to go through some of the most difficult training of your life. (If anyone told you that UPT, IFF or B Course is easy they're a liar.)

You'll hear this a lot but "focus on the nearest threat".

Your nearest threat is staying healthy and getting all your stuff ready for OTS/AMS, keeping out of trouble and being involved in your unit as much as you can in student flight or whatever student/selectee program they have. Get on airforceots.com and sites like that to see what dudes are going through now and what its like. There's gouge for all that stuff.

Your next threat will be OTS/AMS. Get through that. Then you can worry about flying. You'll get taught to fly how the Air Force wants you to do things anyway.

Then UPT, then IFF and then B course and so on.

You cant get to UPT without a gold bar, you cant get to IFF without a set of wings... you get the deal.

There's a wealth of knowledge on the internet (that you should also fact check) about each phase of training.

Good luck!

Flying F22's in Hawaii in the guard? Could it get any better?! Bust your ass for it. Opportunities like this are one in a million.

AFTrainerGuy
08-14-2017, 04:47 AM
Current UPT instructor advice:

Do:

1. Stat out of trouble!!!!!
2. Bring a really good attitude to all the training you attend. Give 100% to everything you do. We will teach you the rest at every point of your training
3. Get a job/payoff as much debt as you possibly can.
4. Save $ and start a IRA
5. If time and finances allow, go travel or do something you always wanted to do

Don't:

1. Get in trouble and throw this away
2. Continue to rent airplanes or pursue ratings in hopes of getting ahead. Your throwing away good $ that can be used for #3-5 above
3. Worry about airlines for many years to come. By the time you need to start thinking about them, you'll be fully qualified to get the job you want

AFTrainerGuy
08-14-2017, 05:04 AM
Current UPT instructor advice:

Do:

1. Stat out of trouble!!!!!
2. Bring a really good attitude to all the training you attend. Give 100% to everything you do. We will teach you the rest at every point of your training
3. Get a job/payoff as much debt as you possibly can.
4. Save $ and start a IRA
5. If time and finances allow, go travel or do something you always wanted to do

Don't:

1. Get in trouble and throw this away
2. Continue to rent airplanes or pursue ratings in hopes of getting ahead. Your throwing away good $ that can be used for #3-5 above
3. Worry about airlines for many years to come. By the time you need to start thinking about them, you'll be fully qualified to get the job you want

SpringLanding
08-14-2017, 09:32 AM
AFTrainerGuy- great advice to any young pilot. x2 from me.

HuggyU2
08-14-2017, 09:35 AM
What Adler said covers it.
When it's a good time to go get an airline job, you'll know it. No need to dwell on it.

There's a lot of F-15 DNA in that unit, so I advise you one thing: don't date your crew chief.

NBMafia22
08-17-2017, 12:23 AM
Speak with one of the young dudes in the squadron. If you don't wanna ask them - don't advertise who you are or the Squadron. Congrats on getting picked up - now all you have to do is not **** up.

Adlerdriver
08-17-2017, 01:54 AM
Speak with one of the young dudes in the squadron. If you don't wanna ask them - don't advertise who you are or the Squadron. Pretend you wanted to give this advice to someone and have them actually understand what you're trying to tell them........ how would you say it? ;)

Albief15
08-19-2017, 11:40 PM
I will dispute a little of the advice here....

IF you have the funds, a little glider flying at Dillingham or some acro won't be a bad thing. Glider flying--boxing the wake, and the finesse required will develop the light touch required in formation work. Acro will help you get a little confidence and steel up your gut for your first few flights in the T-6, and make sure before you invest all this time that you really do like flying. You don't need uber-tough stuff--snap rolls, immelmans, etc. A couple of aileron rolls and basic loops, however, might give you a little more confidence in flying in 3 dimensions. If I was gearing up for UPT, I'd spend any effort in those areas, not getting the Commercial/Inst/CFI/Multi, etc. I thought my glider flying did me a little bit of good, and the few times I was on my back made let me know the T-37 wasn't going to scare me out of the water. After all my GA time (I was a CFI/CFII before going to UPT) I ended up in an OV-10 for a couple years, the most GA-like plane in the CAF at the time. When I got to F-15s three years later I was reminded how little of what I knew applied to my new arena.

My advice to guys starting off where you are is consistent--your goal is to "be there next Friday...." Do what you have to do every day to get to the end of the week. Its good to have goals, but you also can get overwhelmed if you don't just take each day one at a time. Do your best every day, and in two years you'll be flying a Raptor off Oahu going "dang--this is coooooolllll...." ;)

Airlines will come. Let's set a date to talk about them...say....August, 2022. We'll pick it up then...

HuggyU2
08-20-2017, 07:40 AM
Acro will help you get a little confidence and steel up your gut for your first few flights in the T-6, and make sure before you invest all this time that you really do like flying.

A few years ago, we brought a U-2 through Hawaii, and since I had a few days there, I called this guy on a whim to go flying:
Kaimana Aviation (http://www.kaimanaaviation.com)

It's the basic aerobatics that Albie is referring to, and the Cap-10 was really enjoyable to fly. We did all of our air work right over the Dillingham area. I think you'd enjoy it. I know I did.

Hank's a former USAF Intel guy who got the aviation bug, and has been flying GA for a long time. I usually run into him at Oshkosh, or at the annual Airshow Convention in Vegas. Super nice guy.



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