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Camus
08-15-2017, 09:04 AM
Hi, I work for a regional, and Im considering switching to Netjets
Whats the upgrade time in NJ?
How long until you get SLC base?

Does it worth the change?

Thanks!


David Puddy
08-15-2017, 09:13 AM
Hi, I work for a regional, and Im considering switching to Netjets
Whats the upgrade time in NJ?
How long until you get SLC base?

Does it worth the change?

Thanks!

"Does it worth the change?" Really???? Does you know how to read?????? Have you read any of the other Netjets threads on this forum?

10-15 year upgrade at minimum.

GeeWizDriver
08-15-2017, 09:16 AM
Hi, I work for a regional, and Im considering switching to Netjets
Whats the upgrade time in NJ?
How long until you get SLC base?

Does it worth the change?

Thanks!

Current Upgrade Time : 15 years +
Salt Lake City is a crew base. In other words, immediately.
As to your last question: Only you can answer that. Depends on your age, your career goals, and your desired quality of life. At a glance, I would say no.

But I suspect you knew all of the above and are just trolling for a wild and crazy thread.


Camus
08-15-2017, 09:59 AM
"Does it worth the change?" Really???? Does you know how to read?????? Have you read any of the other Netjets threads on this forum?

10-15 year upgrade at minimum.

"Really???? Does you know how to read??????"

I know how to read, do you know how to write?
Thanks for the info!

David Puddy
08-15-2017, 10:01 AM
"Really???? Does you know how to read??????"

I know how to read, do you know how to write?
Thanks for the info!

Some people never understand sarcasm....

CA1900
08-15-2017, 10:43 AM
Hi, I work for a regional, and Im considering switching to Netjets

Probably a better quality of life than most regionals, but if your goal is to get to a major airline, it won't help, and will actually probably hinder you.

Whats the upgrade time in NJ?

For someone hired today, I'd estimate 15-20 years.

How long until you get SLC base?

You can have any base on the list on your first day, and change as often as you want by giving 15 days' notice. Basing is one of the major perks of the job.

Nachomamma
08-15-2017, 01:12 PM
Hi, I work for a regional, and Im considering switching to Netjets
Whats the upgrade time in NJ?
How long until you get SLC base?

Does it worth the change?

Thanks!

Do your research. Read all of the threads here about NJ. If you still want to apply after that...well, knock yourself out. You'll probably get what you deserve.

AntiPeter
08-15-2017, 04:23 PM
I would estimate upgrade less than 10 years, considering pilot age at NetJets and movement to airlines of current employees.

The lack of upgrades hopefully won't continue forever. Change tends to happen fast in this industry. But, perhaps I'm too optimistic.

Delta has a base in SLC. Just sayin'. If you went to a FAR 141 undergrad school and a GPA of 3.0 or higher you may be eligible for an interview (it seems this is an unwritten requirement for civilian only candidates).

BuckeyeFO
08-15-2017, 05:19 PM
I would estimate upgrade less than 10 years, considering pilot age at NetJets and movement to airlines of current employees.

The lack of upgrades hopefully won't continue forever. Change tends to happen fast in this industry. But, perhaps I'm too optimistic.

Delta has a base in SLC. Just sayin'. If you went to a FAR 141 undergrad school and a GPA of 3.0 or higher you may be eligible for an interview (it seems this is an unwritten requirement for civilian only candidates).

Zero chance of a less than 10 year upgrade unless a drastic change occurs. Even if all the >65 guys were gone tomorrow, it wouldn't drive many upgrades. 10 year guys (hire of 8/7/07) are still in the bottom 10% of the company (#2249 of #2507).

The idea that somehow things will change and that person will be remotely close to an upgrade in the next 5 years is absolutely insane.

Jetlife
08-15-2017, 05:31 PM
I would estimate upgrade less than 10 years, considering pilot age at NetJets and movement to airlines of current employees.

The lack of upgrades hopefully won't continue forever. Change tends to happen fast in this industry. But, perhaps I'm too optimistic.

Delta has a base in SLC. Just sayin'. If you went to a FAR 141 undergrad school and a GPA of 3.0 or higher you may be eligible for an interview (it seems this is an unwritten requirement for civilian only candidates).

Your estimation is literally wrong. There are no upgrades going on right now and the only reason the most junior CA is a 2005 hire is because it was a Phenom FO to CA upgrade. Upgrades are longer than 10 years right now. And management isnít upgrading anyone outside of the CBA agreed upon nmber.

bjtdrvr
08-15-2017, 05:36 PM
Starting a whole new thread about the same things listed in quite a few previous threads?

Nachomamma
08-15-2017, 05:38 PM
Never. That is the realistic upgrade time for a new hire...now you know.

Flyfalcons
08-15-2017, 06:18 PM
You can go to a regional, upgrade there, get hired at a major, and upgrade there faster than I will at NJA. And I have a ten-year head start.

Bonanzer
08-16-2017, 12:58 PM
How long does it take to hold the 52 flex schedule? Would love to work at netjets but the fo pay makes it hard to justify for a regional Ca to move over. Are enough FO's leaving to force a pay raise?

Jetlife
08-16-2017, 01:56 PM
How long does it take to hold the 52 flex schedule? Would love to work at netjets but the fo pay makes it hard to justify for a regional Ca to move over. Are enough FO's leaving to force a pay raise?

Don't you freaking dare...

Bonanzer
08-17-2017, 09:23 AM
Don't you freaking dare...

The fo pay makes it a no for me. The home basing and schedule would be nice.

sherpster
08-17-2017, 01:34 PM
I will say it again, they arent hiring. Not running a class in Sept. When was the last class?

BuckeyeFO
08-17-2017, 02:47 PM
I will say it again, they arent hiring. Not running a class in Sept. When was the last class?

once the new sim is installed, growth like crazy man!!! upgrades for everyone, an IBB, and furloughs at ALL the airlines.

ponies and balloons

Jetlife
08-17-2017, 02:49 PM
once the new sim is installed, growth like crazy man!!! upgrades for everyone, an IBB, and furloughs at ALL the airlines.

ponies and balloons

Omg Leiber is back!!!!!!

BuckeyeFO
08-17-2017, 03:03 PM
Omg Leiber is back!!!!!!

I never left!

Spending a lot of time on youtube and practicing my dubsteb moves

https://preview.ibb.co/eVEyuv/Screen_Shot_2017_08_17_at_7_01_27_PM.png (https://ibb.co/dqvSnF)

GeeWizDriver
08-17-2017, 04:29 PM
once the new sim is installed, growth like crazy man!!! upgrades for everyone, an IBB, and furloughs at ALL the airlines.

ponies and balloons


Yea boooy!

And don't forget, the same schmucks that negotiated the last POS will negotiate the IBB too! Yea!!!!! High fives all around....



It will be called the CC 4

Four days off per bid period. Think of the money you'll save on not needing a house!

BuckeyeFO
08-17-2017, 04:56 PM
"efficiencies with the potential to enhance productivity and to put more money in pilot paychecks"

So:
More OT "opportunity" ?
Allowing for more extending when on the 7/7 or CC60 schedule ?
Waiving 14 hours for part 91 legs or airlining ?

What I didn't see:
"improved pay rates"
"improved QOL"

Work harder fellas and we'll give you some crumbs.

AntiPeter
08-17-2017, 05:25 PM
Yea boooy!

And don't forget, the same schmucks that negotiated the last POS will negotiate the IBB too! Yea!!!!! High fives all around....



It will be called the CC 4

Four days off per bid period. Think of the money you'll save on not needing a house!

Ditto. Our union leadership have demonstrated their inabilities. CBA, lawsuit, insecure/secretive.

They should just stick with their ultra-important drone and industry conventions in Hawaii.

I expect nothing but a regression.

Jetlife
08-17-2017, 05:31 PM
He made it very clear that there is no money involved, and it will be cost neutral changes, so expect another tomato on your salad but 2 less croutons.

GeeWizDriver
08-17-2017, 06:07 PM
If the IBB focus isn't fatigue mitigation and MAJOR improvements to Section 20, I'm an absolute NO vote.


In other words, I'm a NO vote....

AntiPeter
08-18-2017, 04:29 AM
If the IBB focus isn't fatigue mitigation and MAJOR improvements to Section 20, I'm an absolute NO vote.


In other words, I'm a NO vote....

I typically wouldn't have a problem opening up a CBA, but I didn't feel the union leadership was honest or transparent with the 2015 CBA. I don't trust them and wish we had new leadership. I'm not comfortable with them opening up the current agreement as they do seem to be good at selling crap to the pilot group, unfortunately.

I quite frankly can't work anymore, I can't be more efficient. My average duty day is right around 12 hours. The company has maxed me out (which our current CBA does very well). Pilots in my fleet often fly tired, exhausted and disinterested because they are overworked. There is nothing left to give to the company.

KTM Rider
08-18-2017, 05:24 AM
NetJets is already getting 120% of production out of the pilots by harassing pilots for using the fatigue language in the contract and now the new company attendance policy for pilots calling in sick on day 1 and last day of a tour (trip).

NetJets is doing this because pilots are leaving in droves (18 pilots quit over the last month. Pilot attrition has been around 10 -12 per month). Even former and current management pilots have resigned. The company is becoming so short handed on pilots (due to the poor and substandard work rules and constant harassment) that 50 management pilots were forced back on to the road. Most likely, we'll see more former management pilots resign because they're now experiencing to high work load and high expectations that current line pilots are experiencing.

Now, NetJets wants to meet with the union to modify certain sections of the contract to increase productivity, cost neutral. What that means is, they can't find pilots that want to work at NetJets, and current pilots are leaving. I wonder why. Basically, the company now wants to increase productivity from 120% to 140%. Again, cost neutral. I highly doubt that it will a win for the pilots. It will just be more dangling carrots for pilots to push themselves for a dollar. Safety will be compromised.

Anyone that is considering employment at NetJets, I would seriously reconsider it. You will be expected to be highly productive otherwise, you will be questioned by management. Being safe is not productive.

With the history of the last two contracts, 2007IBB, 2015CBA, I do not expect improvements to 2015IBI. The improvements will be in favor for NetJets. Because NetJets is unable to find, Meats in the Seat, to move metal.

KTM Rider
08-18-2017, 05:35 AM
I typically wouldn't have a problem opening up a CBA, but I didn't feel the union leadership was honest or transparent with the 2015 CBA. I don't trust them and wish we had new leadership. I'm not comfortable with them opening up the current agreement as they do seem to be good at selling crap to the pilot group, unfortunately.

I quite frankly can't work anymore, I can't be more efficient. My average duty day is right around 12 hours. The company has maxed me out (which our current CBA does very well). Pilots in my fleet often fly tired, exhausted and disinterested because they are overworked. There is nothing left to give to the company.


This statement cannot be further from the truth. It's unfortunate to see a company go from being a hero to a zero during one of the largest hiring booms in aviation.

I wonder if NetJets will start offering hiring bonuses. Offer $5000 and a few carrots and possibly get an additional $5000 after being with NetJets after 10 years, as a first officer.

Jetlife
08-18-2017, 06:28 AM
NetJets was only a hero when the rest of the industry was crap. Netjets has never, and will never stack evenly with the airline industry.

This attempt is another example of how management completely drives the ship and the union is trying too nicely to get anything to try and help. They need to be way more aggressive if they want to get anything from management.

No increase in salaries is a non starter.

BuckeyeFO
08-18-2017, 07:05 AM
NetJets was only a hero when the rest of the industry was crap. Netjets has never, and will never stack evenly with the airline industry.

This attempt is another example of how management completely drives the ship and the union is trying too nicely to get anything to try and help. They need to be way more aggressive if they want to get anything from management.

No increase in salaries is a non starter.

when 95% of the line pilots were hired in 2008 or earlier, you'll always have the pilots at a disadvantage.
We (the pilots) have too much at stake with the company.
Guys will continue to make miracles happen everyday, cut corners, carry mx, ect.
All we've heard is how "NJA doesn't make a lot of profit" and "there is no other job where you can make XXX as a Phenom captain".

The pilot group is not as flexible as pilots at traditional airlines (bc of home basing and medical) and with more than 50% of the pilots being 15+ years, there is a willingness to sacrifice for the "good" of the company.

Being a captain is a good job. Being a lifelong FO is horrible.
Pilots will again be asked to carry more water to keep things going and bc of pilot demographics, they'll do it.
That doesn't mean the IBI will be voted in per se, but that the A Teamers out there and extension-wh0res will do what they do best: have no spine.

Jetlife
08-18-2017, 07:20 AM
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Being a captain is a good job.

See I would argue that being a captain makes the job more bearable, it doesn't make it a good job. As a captain, you still have to deal with management, terrible contract language and work rules, and the day to day beatings. Only difference is, you are paid pretty good...

Pay can ease a lot of pain, which is why it is sad and pathetic to see that the union flat out said that there will be no changes to salary, which basically means there will be no changes at all, just more management lies like "we are trying hard to change things, and these things take time."

Nachomamma
08-18-2017, 09:44 AM
Only difference is, you are paid pretty good...


Meh, not really. Not even close to the pay as a captain at the big boy carriers. NJ will always be the JV team...in both seats.

Jetlife
08-18-2017, 09:52 AM
Meh, not really. Not even close to the pay as a captain at the big boy carriers. NJ will always be the JV team...in both seats.

Thatís why I only said pretty good. I agree.

Macjet
08-18-2017, 10:09 AM
The home basing and schedule would be nice.

People talk like this is the cats arze but I can't for the life of me understand this. Commuting with NetJets was miserable. Last minute row 36A seats on a Delta MD88, followed by an RJ destroying my bag second leg, followed by two mid tours commutes after another POS Citation broke, finished off with another Mad Dog screaming in my ear four legs home commute. If you really wanted to live in Billings, MT and fly airplanes you should really look at a scenic 135 gig.

Commuting sucks. Period. But commuting with NJA was only slightly better than a 121.

tm602
08-18-2017, 11:43 AM
People talk like this is the cats arze but I can't for the life of me understand this. Commuting with NetJets was miserable. Last minute row 36A seats on a Delta MD88, followed by an RJ destroying my bag second leg, followed by two mid tours commutes after another POS Citation broke, finished off with another Mad Dog screaming in my ear four legs home commute. If you really wanted to live in Billings, MT and fly airplanes you should really look at a scenic 135 gig.

Commuting sucks. Period. But commuting with NJA was only slightly better than a 121.

You must be buddies with someone in CMH because you were not in a B or E seat!