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dudemize
09-21-2017, 04:37 PM
Howdy all,

Have an interview coming up in a couple weeks. Anyone have any insights into commuting from TYS (Knoxville, TN)? Offline commute obviously. There are lots of flights to several SWA cities but all of them go to the wrong airport! I was thinking flying to IAD or DCA and working my way up to BWI from there would be the least painful. I have family near IAD so I have a place to crash if necessary.
I've never had to commute before (NetJets guy), so I'm a total newbie.

ATL would be the ultimate goal but I know that is uber senior.

BNA is an additional 2 hr 45 mins drive time for me from TYS. The thought of doing that regularly is not pleasant.

Thanks in advance!


Warhawg01
09-21-2017, 05:18 PM
As someone who didn't commute very long, and now drives to work, just reading that was painful.

If you get hired (good luck, BTW) you should consider moving closer to a base. Seriously consider.

Yes, I know this pretty unhelpful, but it doesn't make it less true.

Skyward
09-21-2017, 05:29 PM
Your situation sounds similar to mine (including family in BWI).

I think I would choose MDW base though.

TYS to ORD then the train to MDW.

Passrider.com reveals 6 flights on UAL and AA TYS-ORD. They're all CRJs but 6 flights and you could use CHA as a backup (closer than BNA). There 3 flights TYS-DCA and 2 TYS-IAD.

BWI is a valid choice, but MDW has more options.


Burton78
09-21-2017, 06:02 PM
That's a tough one.. Have you considered DAL? It's pretty simple to get from DFW to DAL via the DART. Then again, I don't know what the flight situation between TYS and DFW is.


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dudemize
09-21-2017, 06:08 PM
As someone who didn't commute very long, and now drives to work, just reading that was painful.

If you get hired (good luck, BTW) you should consider moving closer to a base. Seriously consider.

Yes, I know this pretty unhelpful, but it doesn't make it less true.

Trust me, writing it was painful too! Thanks!

dudemize
09-21-2017, 06:28 PM
Your situation sounds similar to mine (including family in BWI).

I think I would choose MDW base though.

TYS to ORD then the train to MDW.

Passrider.com reveals 6 flights on UAL and AA TYS-ORD. They're all CRJs but 6 flights and you could use CHA as a backup (closer than BNA). There 3 flights TYS-DCA and 2 TYS-IAD.

BWI is a valid choice, but MDW has more options.

Thanks! I have family that lives fairly close to IAD. I was thinking I could keep a car there and use it to drive to BWI. Taking the train ORD to MDW seems like a good option. Cheap too. No need to keep a car.

For me, the goal would be to move my trips around to get two 3 day trips back to back so I only have to commute once. At least once I get a line that is. I don't know how easy that would be as a junior guy though.

dudemize
09-21-2017, 07:28 PM
That's a tough one.. Have you considered DAL? It's pretty simple to get from DFW to DAL via the DART. Then again, I don't know what the flight situation between TYS and DFW is.


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Fewer flights to DFW (4/day) and flight time is a bit longer. I have heard that the train is a good (and cheap) option to get between DFW and DAL.

TYS-ORD seems that it would provide the best flexibility. Good mix of flights early morning to late.

SlipKid
09-22-2017, 06:33 AM
Thanks! I have family that lives fairly close to IAD. I was thinking I could keep a car there and use it to drive to BWI. Taking the train ORD to MDW seems like a good option. Cheap too. No need to keep a car.

For me, the goal would be to move my trips around to get two 3 day trips back to back so I only have to commute once. At least once I get a line that is. I don't know how easy that would be as a junior guy though.

As others have said, that commute will get old really fast. Seriously consider moving to a domicile. You'll thank me later. Not only will your work life be far simpler, you're potential earning opportunity is orders of magnitude better if you live within an hour or 2 drive of a base.

I do 6 day back to backs to accommodate my much easier (long drive) commute.

I do it by bidding weekday lines with 4, 3 day trips in the month, and then trade 2 of them for weekend or partial weekends. It is fairly easy to trade weekday trips for weekends. Vice versa is possible, but much less of a sure thing.

It will be more difficult as a junior guy, as there aren't that many 12 day lines to begin with, and you're not gonna get weekdays, or even partial weekends, for a while.

TonyC
09-22-2017, 08:03 AM
Anyone have any insights into commuting from TYS (Knoxville, TN)?




FedEx can get you almost anywhere overnight. 1 leg to Memphis in the evening, sit for a few hours in our lounge, and arrive at your destination at the crack of dawn.

Doesn't work for everyone, but it's something to consider.






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dudemize
09-22-2017, 09:32 AM
FedEx can get you almost anywhere overnight. 1 leg to Memphis in the evening, sit for a few hours in our lounge, and arrive at your destination at the crack of dawn.

Doesn't work for everyone, but it's something to consider.






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Thanks TonyC! I didn't even think about the FedEx route. Maybe I should just hold out for FedEx. Easier commute!

dudemize
09-22-2017, 09:58 AM
As others have said, that commute will get old really fast. Seriously consider moving to a domicile. You'll thank me later. Not only will your work life be far simpler, you're potential earning opportunity is orders of magnitude better if you live within an hour or 2 drive of a base.

I do 6 day back to backs to accommodate my much easier (long drive) commute.

I do it by bidding weekday lines with 4, 3 day trips in the month, and then trade 2 of them for weekend or partial weekends. It is fairly easy to trade weekday trips for weekends. Vice versa is possible, but much less of a sure thing.

It will be more difficult as a junior guy, as there aren't that many 12 day lines to begin with, and you're not gonna get weekdays, or even partial weekends, for a while.

Thanks SlipKid!

Ideally, we would move. I always said if I did the airline thing we would move to a base. However, we just built a house close to family so it would definitely be a huge decision. I have certainly come to appreciate the home basing I have now.

Good to know that I could at least get back to back trips at some point. Lots to contemplate!

Stitches
09-22-2017, 10:49 AM
If your goal is to ultimately end up in Atl, I'd suggest moving there asap. Even if you can't hold it for a while, your qol will be significantly improved over commuting offline from a limited service airport like TYS. It's much easier to commute from one base to another, plus you will be able to occasionally pick up from that base.

That said if you're going to move to Atlanta, you're much better off in the long run if you can get hired at Delta.

dudemize
09-22-2017, 03:40 PM
If your goal is to ultimately end up in Atl, I'd suggest moving there asap. Even if you can't hold it for a while, your qol will be significantly improved over commuting offline from a limited service airport like TYS. It's much easier to commute from one base to another, plus you will be able to occasionally pick up from that base.



This makes a lot of sense. Didn't even think about that option. Still a relatively easy drive back to the homestead in TN.

Appreciate the input.

at6d
09-23-2017, 12:02 AM
You need to define "a while."

Skyward
09-23-2017, 03:03 AM
TYS is not a bad airport to commute from though. There's good frequency (although off-line), and it's easy access. You can park nearly on the curb, not much competetion from other communters and it's always been an easy experience for me.

Is there a commuting policy at SW?

Stitches
09-23-2017, 05:35 AM
You need to define "a while."

If you understand the contract (and hold a line) you can reduce your commutes from one SWA domicile to another your are based in by about half. I did this for a long time. My longest stretch without having to commute was 4 months. A typical month was 2 commutes without calling in sick.

My estimate for a new hire today to hold ATL is 2 years. Almost all the former AirTran pilots can hold it. There are very few junior Swa pilots that live in Atlanta and it makes little sense for a commuter bid there when there are several east coast bases with drastically better seniority. So, once the last AirTran pilot bids in you will start to see Atl go very junior on at the bottom end of the list.

dudemize
09-23-2017, 01:59 PM
TYS is not a bad airport to commute from though. There's good frequency (although off-line), and it's easy access. You can park nearly on the curb, not much competetion from other communters and it's always been an easy experience for me.

Is there a commuting policy at SW?

2 offline, 1 online to get you there 1 hr prior to check-in.

Skyward
09-23-2017, 08:09 PM
2 offline, 1 online to get you there 1 hr prior to check-in.

Cool. Thanks!

ipdanno
09-23-2017, 08:35 PM
2 offline, 1 online to get you there 1 hr prior to check-in.

It's any TWO options (online/offline) to get you there by report/check-in, or only ONE online needed to get there 1hr prior to check-in.

dudemize
09-24-2017, 01:28 PM
If you understand the contract (and hold a line) you can reduce your commutes from one SWA domicile to another your are based in by about half. I did this for a long time. My longest stretch without having to commute was 4 months. A typical month was 2 commutes without calling in sick.

My estimate for a new hire today to hold ATL is 2 years. Almost all the former AirTran pilots can hold it. There are very few junior Swa pilots that live in Atlanta and it makes little sense for a commuter bid there when there are several east coast bases with drastically better seniority. So, once the last AirTran pilot bids in you will start to see Atl go very junior on at the bottom end of the list.

This sounds great! How doable is this for a junior lineholder? I suppose it varies month to month.