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David Puddy
10-08-2017, 09:45 AM
Looks like Boeing is pitching the 787 hard to Hawaiian:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/60197-hawaiian-airlines-cools-on-a330neo-order-mulls-b787s


full of luv
10-08-2017, 06:52 PM
Looks like Boeing is pitching the 787 hard to Hawaiian:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/60197-hawaiian-airlines-cools-on-a330neo-order-mulls-b787s

Maybe BA is feeling a little confident after their recent anti-dumping/lobbying efforts, and are ready to take the fight to Airbus as well.

David Puddy
10-11-2017, 05:16 AM
Maybe BA is feeling a little confident after their recent anti-dumping/lobbying efforts, and are ready to take the fight to Airbus as well.

Or maybe Hawaiian is leveraging one manufacturer against another to extract more benefits - just like they all do in these negotiations... NOBODY pays list price.


WindWalker999
10-13-2017, 03:56 PM
Embraer 175's with industry standard pay to replace the 717 would more than compensate for the extra money HAL would have to spend to get 787's.

spacemonkey
10-13-2017, 11:29 PM
Embraer 175's with industry standard pay to replace the 717 would more than compensate for the extra money HAL would have to spend to get 787's.

Apples and oranges

The 175 carries 70ish pax whereas the 717 is 120 something.

Iím sure you know that but where do you see the cost savings to buy 787s?

Iceman310
10-14-2017, 10:03 AM
I think there is only three options for replacing the 717. The E190's, C-series, or 737-700. The keep it mianline, they will use at least 100 seat jets.
I also think they are only talking to Boeing to get a better price on the A350. I would be happy with either new widebody.

WindWalker999
10-14-2017, 11:59 PM
HAL will never see the A350. AB didnít build the -800, and the others are simply too big. A330NEO -800 maybe, assuming they actually build THAT one. Seeing that HAL is the only remaining order that is questionable. A330-900 again just a touch too big, unless it only runs Haneda, LAX and Vegas.

Have you not considered the possibility that maybe the 787 talks are because the Ivory Tower actually wants to buy 787s? Lord knows there are a lot of 787ís on HALís routes (ANZ, JetStar, ANA, etc). They obviously work just fine. If Airbus isnít building the planes, then.....?

Southbay
10-15-2017, 09:47 PM
A330-800 IS being built. Check airbus.com photo gallery and you will see wings, pylons, fuselage, etc. for the 330-800 currently in production.

hoover
10-18-2017, 07:04 AM
Maybe they're thinking 787 because that's what SW wants