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AggieFlyer94
10-24-2017, 04:56 AM
Hi Everyone:

I am 45 and considering getting back into airline flying. Previous 121 experience was with ExpressJet (flown as Continental Express circa 2007). Had a really great experience at XJT right up until the airlines started furloughing.

Envoy would be my #1 choice to return to flying. I live in DFW, wife, 2 kids, etc; so living in base is key for me. Would appreciate your thoughts on a few questions I have:

- What are the chances of getting DFW out of the school house?

- Duration of reserve time at DFW?

- During reserve and assuming DFW based, approx. # days/week, or #days/month would I be gone from home?

- At XJT we had 2Hr & 12 Hr call out windows. What are the call out windows at Envoy?

Having flown 121 previously, I get everything depends on timing, seniority, whims of the industry, planets alignment, etc, etc.... mostly looking to gather some "approx facts" to help with the decision (convincing the wife).

Thanks in advance to all. Safe Flying!!


havick206
10-24-2017, 05:11 AM
Look through the main Envoy thread, already been answered a few times.

Pedro4President
10-24-2017, 05:28 AM
Hi Everyone:

I am 45 and considering getting back into airline flying. Previous 121 experience was with ExpressJet (flown as Continental Express circa 2007). Had a really great experience at XJT right up until the airlines started furloughing.

Envoy would be my #1 choice to return to flying. I live in DFW, wife, 2 kids, etc; so living in base is key for me. Would appreciate your thoughts on a few questions I have:

- What are the chances of getting DFW out of the school house?

- Duration of reserve time at DFW?

- During reserve and assuming DFW based, approx. # days/week, or #days/month would I be gone from home?

- At XJT we had 2Hr & 12 Hr call out windows. What are the call out windows at Envoy?

Having flown 121 previously, I get everything depends on timing, seniority, whims of the industry, planets alignment, etc, etc.... mostly looking to gather some "approx facts" to help with the decision (convincing the wife).

Thanks in advance to all. Safe Flying!!

You must of just started following this forum. Well unfortunately if you have 1000 hours of 121 time, then before you finish training the company will displace you to LGA as a CA. You will be in LGA for several years on reserve. You will be home maybe 6-7 days per month. This is what awaits you at Envoy. Feel free to continue to follow this thread to see if the company stops forcing pilots with 1000 121 time to upgrade even if they haven't flown in the airlines for a decade. Good luck.


Inop2
10-24-2017, 05:59 AM
The one thing youíve probably picked up on already is the Envoy threads have a small number of loud bitter pilots that respond with the garbage above. I heard the same before I was hired here and my time away from home and treatment by the company has no resemblance of the above response. They used to ***** because the upgrade was 9 years, now itís as soon as you meet qualification, and they still *****. No pleasing this group. Watch the responses! I, like you, have experience outside the airline world and Iíve never had more time off in my entire career. Rather than tell you how I think it is here is my schedule for November.

Bruno82
10-24-2017, 06:06 AM
The one thing youíve probably picked up on already is the Envoy threads have a small number of loud bitter pilots that respond with the garbage above. I heard the same before I was hired here and my time away from home and treatment by the company has no resemblance of the above response. They used to ***** because the upgrade was 9 years, now itís as soon as you meet qualification, and they still *****. No pleasing this group. Watch the responses! I, like you, have experience outside the airline world and Iíve never had more time off in my entire career. Rather than tell you how I think it is here is my schedule for November.

What is your hire date? Are you holding CA? Where are you based? (I can't see the image very well as it won't enlarge.)

Blackhawk
10-24-2017, 06:15 AM
What is your hire date? Are you holding CA? Where are you based? (I can't see the image very well as it won't enlarge.)

Yeah, I can't see it either.

HardLemonade
10-24-2017, 06:57 AM
Hi Everyone:

I am 45 and considering getting back into airline flying. Previous 121 experience was with ExpressJet (flown as Continental Express circa 2007). Had a really great experience at XJT right up until the airlines started furloughing.

Envoy would be my #1 choice to return to flying. I live in DFW, wife, 2 kids, etc; so living in base is key for me. Would appreciate your thoughts on a few questions I have:

- What are the chances of getting DFW out of the school house?

- Duration of reserve time at DFW?

- During reserve and assuming DFW based, approx. # days/week, or #days/month would I be gone from home?

- At XJT we had 2Hr & 12 Hr call out windows. What are the call out windows at Envoy?

Having flown 121 previously, I get everything depends on timing, seniority, whims of the industry, planets alignment, etc, etc.... mostly looking to gather some "approx facts" to help with the decision (convincing the wife).

Thanks in advance to all. Safe Flying!!

Quick answers:

Getting DFW out of the gate is hit or miss. Either way, you can be back there within 3 months. Usually less.

Length of reserve is pretty short on the ERJ side. Just a few months, unless you voluntarily bid reserve which many do. I'm not sure how long it is on the 175, but I've heard only a few months as well.

On reserve you'll get 11 days off. Within a month or two as your seniority creeps up you'll be able to stay home and not get called at least a couple times a week. So add those days to your days off. Otherwise you'll be gone the standard amount. 3 or 4 days. If you have to commute you may need to add an additional day away from home in there every now and then. But again..with a little seniority it's less of an issue. A non issue if you live in base.

2 hour call out on reserve. 3 in LGA.

If you have 1,000 hours 121 time you'll upgrade immediately on the next bid as long as you are open to any base and equipment. I believe that upgrading in DFW on the ERJ is fairly quick. Worse case you wait 3 months for the next upgrade bid so that you can hold DFW.

Anyways..that's most of it. Envoy is a great place to be these days. There are some who are never happy and hate life..they typically live on this forum. In real life we are all a fun bunch.

Pedro4President
10-24-2017, 07:09 AM
The one thing youíve probably picked up on already is the Envoy threads have a small number of loud bitter pilots that respond with the garbage above. I heard the same before I was hired here and my time away from home and treatment by the company has no resemblance of the above response. They used to ***** because the upgrade was 9 years, now itís as soon as you meet qualification, and they still *****. No pleasing this group. Watch the responses! I, like you, have experience outside the airline world and Iíve never had more time off in my entire career. Rather than tell you how I think it is here is my schedule for November.

You little tool. Do you have a 1000 hour 121 time? No! Did the company displace you out of seniority? No!

Did the company not just displace DFw pilots to LGA out of seniority because they had 1000 hr 121 time??

I'm not bitter. I just speak the truth. If a pilot doesn't have 121 time then it's a good time to come to Envoy. If you have 1000 hrs of 121 time then the company is going to do to you what it just did to 50 FIFTY!!!!!!! Pilots that had 121 time. And don't call me bitter. I want to be able to tell the guy yes come to Envoy. You will be able to get DFW soon and keep it. How did that just work out for 50 new hires this past year that came in with 121 time????

Pedro4President
10-24-2017, 07:17 AM
Calling me bitter..... If you only knew! I have had it better then the fast majority of the pilots here. My QOL and pay has been far above what other pilots have experienced here. I want him and other new hires to have the experience I have had. Sadly it isn't offered to guys with prior 121 time. I live in DFW and see my wife and kids at least 330 days out of the year.

Smutter
10-24-2017, 07:26 AM
The one thing youíve probably picked up on already is the Envoy threads have a small number of loud bitter pilots that respond with the garbage above. I heard the same before I was hired here and my time away from home and treatment by the company has no resemblance of the above response. They used to ***** because the upgrade was 9 years, now itís as soon as you meet qualification, and they still *****. No pleasing this group. Watch the responses! I, like you, have experience outside the airline world and Iíve never had more time off in my entire career. Rather than tell you how I think it is here is my schedule for November.

Sweet now we know who you are

HardLemonade
10-24-2017, 07:32 AM
Calling me bitter..... If you only knew! I have had it better then the fast majority of the pilots here. My QOL and pay has been far above what other pilots have experienced here. I want him and other new hires to have the experience I have had. Sadly it isn't offered to guys with prior 121 time. I live in DFW and see my wife and kids at least 330 days out of the year.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

UNDGUY
10-24-2017, 07:52 AM
I would definitely like to hear more about this displacement too. I would love to come to Envoy, but I think that is a dealbreaker for me. I have six years of 121 time in my past, all as an FO, but it's been four years since I've even been in an airplane. I would probably be comfortable to do that after six months to a year on line but straight out of FO school no way. The scary thing is there are some overconfident chest thumping super pilots out there that will think they can pull it off when they have no business being in the left seat.

Reserve King
10-24-2017, 08:34 AM
I would definitely like to hear more about this displacement too. I would love to come to Envoy, but I think that is a dealbreaker for me. I have six years of 121 time in my past, all as an FO, but it's been four years since I've even been in an airplane. I would probably be comfortable to do that after six months to a year on line but straight out of FO school no way. The scary thing is there are some overconfident chest thumping super pilots out there that will think they can pull it off when they have no business being in the left seat.

Amen. Itís not about flying for me, itís about knowing company culture and how things work. I figure that takes a few months at least.

Inop2
10-24-2017, 08:40 AM
You little tool. Do you have a 1000 hour 121 time? No! Did the company displace you out of seniority? No!

Did the company not just displace DFw pilots to LGA out of seniority because they had 1000 hr 121 time??

I'm not bitter. I just speak the truth. If a pilot doesn't have 121 time then it's a good time to come to Envoy. If you have 1000 hrs of 121 time then the company is going to do to you what it just did to 50 FIFTY!!!!!!! Pilots that had 121 time. And don't call me bitter. I want to be able to tell the guy yes come to Envoy. You will be able to get DFW soon and keep it. How did that just work out for 50 new hires this past year that came in with 121 time????

Your response isnít worth reading... you guys need a therapy group.

Pedro4President
10-24-2017, 08:46 AM
Your response isnít worth reading... you guys need a therapy group.

Insults.... what I said was 100% accurate.

AggieFlyer94
10-24-2017, 07:55 PM
Thanks everyone for the thoughts. Especially thanks to the private messages. This is good information - good, bad or indifferent. I have ~500 hours ERj 121 time. Sounds like a displacement is a possibility, but not a certainty. Iíll factor this in to my consideration. Fly safe and Gig Ďem!

ag386
10-25-2017, 03:06 AM
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Itís really great to have Hard Lemonade on the Envoy forum. Since we lost Skyvector, heís one of the few here that has the inside info and really posts great info.

Shadre Reevis
10-25-2017, 04:20 AM
Amen. Itís not about flying for me, itís about knowing company culture and how things work. I figure that takes a few months at least.Sounds like the bids come out every 3 months, next one should be in January. If you time it right you can maximize your right-seat time by choosing a class date shortly after the next bid. Then you wouldn't be displaced for at least 3 months. I know it's not much but just something to think about.