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CAirBear
11-07-2017, 03:19 PM
So a friend of mine, who is in the October new hire class, said MG came into class today and told them there will be no hiring until next fall. They are going all in until the transition is complete 😳 Wow. Glad they got hired last month. Hopefully it isnít until fall, but that is what was just told to them.


hyde
11-07-2017, 03:56 PM
I blame ecam

N1sync
11-07-2017, 04:34 PM
This always happens right before a merger or bankruptcy


CAirBear
11-07-2017, 05:12 PM
This always happens right before a merger or bankruptcy

If this is indeed what happens, I think itís safe to say it isnít bankruptcy. It makes some sense. Having decided to be all Bus by June is absolutely a terrific move and one that needs to happen. It is going to take a lot out of the training dept to pull it off. Your not only dealing with transitions, but all the people doing recurrents as well.

Jetflight77
11-07-2017, 06:44 PM
& to add to the above Feb class has been cancelled.

hyde
11-07-2017, 07:26 PM
Is it safe to welcome sun country to the allegiant family yet?

akulahunter
11-07-2017, 07:49 PM
Is it safe to welcome sun country to the allegiant family yet?

Sure we shouldn't welcome Frontier or United?

N1sync
11-07-2017, 09:25 PM
Sure we shouldn't welcome Frontier or United?

If this is true I would venture to guess that part of the deal was to have all the Md-80's off the balance sheet by a certain (sooner) date and to cease hiring so there's fewer pilots to integrate into the larger system. There seems to have been a sudden shift in their course in the last few months, "hiring from now until forever" was the plan. Md-80's gone late 2019 but now abruptly moved up. New-hire classes suddenly cancelled with no advance warning and no email to the pilot group. Growth plans stunted, i.e. no 2nd OAK plane despite having 14 crews for the base. Strange LAS displacement bid. Lots of odd happenings around here, could be legit but it could be a buyout.

Riverside
11-08-2017, 04:55 AM
& to add to the above Feb class has been cancelled.

I believe the OP said no hiring till next fall. So that would make sense that they cancelled these classes.

ecam
11-08-2017, 06:26 AM
Merger scenarios:

1. Sun country
2. Frontier
3. Just about anyone else
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1,000,000. United.

"So you're saying there's a chance!"

LoFly
11-08-2017, 08:57 AM
Merger scenarios:

1. Sun country
2. Frontier
3. Just about anyone else
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1,000,000. United.

"So you're saying there's a chance!"
UA would make more sense than F9.

Whitethought1
11-08-2017, 10:25 AM
This has nothing to do with Bankruptcy or Merging or anything of the sort. It's all about Aircraft availability, we aren't going to hire more Pilots until we obtain more aircraft. If we come into some more Airbus, hiring will pick up again. It's a very fluid process.

crxpilot
11-08-2017, 11:52 AM
Why would Allegiant hire more pilots than what they already have?

Per 3Q 2017 press release:

Allegiant Travel Company - News Release (http://ir.allegiantair.com/mobile.view?c=197578&v=203&d=1&id=2311255)

(Table didnt copy well)

Aircraft fleet plan by end of period

Aircraft - (seats per AC) 3Q17 YE17 1Q18 2Q18 3Q18 YE18
MD-80 (166 seats) 40 37 35 29 20 ó
757 (215 seats) 2 ó ó ó ó ó
A319 (156 seats) 21 22 25 31 31 32
A320 (177/186 seats) 26 29 34 42 45 50
Total 89 88 94 102 96 82
Aircraft listed in table above include only in-service aircraft, planned retirements and future aircraft under contract (subject to change)

Allegiant currently has 89 planes and plans to have 82 by the end of 2018 after the 80s are gone. A net DECREASE of 7 planes. 4 crews per plane makes them overstaffed of about 60 pilots. What am I missing here?

Ground Effect
11-08-2017, 12:31 PM
Why would Allegiant hire more pilots than what they already have?

Per 3Q 2017 press release:

Allegiant Travel Company - News Release (http://ir.allegiantair.com/mobile.view?c=197578&v=203&d=1&id=2311255)

(Table didnt copy well)

Aircraft fleet plan by end of period

Aircraft - (seats per AC) 3Q17 YE17 1Q18 2Q18 3Q18 YE18
MD-80 (166 seats) 40 37 35 29 20 ó
757 (215 seats) 2 ó ó ó ó ó
A319 (156 seats) 21 22 25 31 31 32
A320 (177/186 seats) 26 29 34 42 45 50
Total 89 88 94 102 96 82
Aircraft listed in table above include only in-service aircraft, planned retirements and future aircraft under contract (subject to change)

Allegiant currently has 89 planes and plans to have 82 by the end of 2018 after the 80s are gone. A net DECREASE of 7 planes. 4 crews per plane makes them overstaffed of about 60 pilots. What am I missing here?

Attrition? Retirements?

skydisaster
11-08-2017, 12:43 PM
Why would Allegiant hire more pilots than what they already have?



Per 3Q 2017 press release:



Allegiant Travel Company - News Release (http://ir.allegiantair.com/mobile.view?c=197578&v=203&d=1&id=2311255)



(Table didnt copy well)



Aircraft fleet plan by end of period



Aircraft - (seats per AC) 3Q17YE171Q182Q183Q18YE18

MD-80 (166 seats) 40 37 35 29 20 ó

757 (215 seats) 2 ó ó ó ó ó

A319 (156 seats) 21 22 25 31 31 32

A320 (177/186 seats) 26 29 34 42 45 50

Total 89 88 94 102 96 82

Aircraft listed in table above include only in-service aircraft, planned retirements and future aircraft under contract (subject to change)



Allegiant currently has 89 planes and plans to have 82 by the end of 2018 after the 80s are gone. A net DECREASE of 7 planes. 4 crews per plane makes them overstaffed of about 60 pilots. What am I missing here?



I believe that the Airbus has been staffed a lot closer to 6 crews per airplane due to the fact that they are being operated with more block hours per day. I donít think we are overstaffed.


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akulahunter
11-09-2017, 05:17 AM
I really don't think we are overstaffed either (especially looking at open time the last couple of months). However, if we were 60 pilots heavy, that would be about 20 months worth of attrition for anyone senior to me. Three a month (average) over the last year.

How are we going to staff all of these new routes that are going to be announced "tomorrow" without hiring anyone?

crxpilot
11-09-2017, 05:45 AM
I really don't think we are overstaffed either (especially looking at open time the last couple of months). However, if we were 60 pilots heavy, that would be about 20 months worth of attrition for anyone senior to me. Three a month (average) over the last year.

How are we going to staff all of these new routes that are going to be announced "tomorrow" without hiring anyone?

Not overstaffed now, overstaffed at the end of 2018. Allegiant has 89 planes now, 82 at the end of 2018. And if you are using 6 crews per plane from the previous poster, that makes it approximately 80 pilots extra at the END of 2018.

LoFly
11-09-2017, 07:01 AM
Not overstaffed now, overstaffed at the end of 2018. Allegiant has 89 planes now, 82 at the end of 2018. And if you are using 6 crews per plane from the previous poster, that makes it approximately 80 pilots extra at the END of 2018.

How many sim/ground instructors and other pilots in the management system do we have? Cause you have to count those too, they are in the seniority list and they barely fly

skydisaster
11-09-2017, 07:34 AM
Not overstaffed now, overstaffed at the end of 2018. Allegiant has 89 planes now, 82 at the end of 2018. And if you are using 6 crews per plane from the previous poster, that makes it approximately 80 pilots extra at the END of 2018.



We currently have 890 pilots on the seniority list. 6 crews per airplane for 82 airplanes is 984 pilots. The 890 pilots on the list includes pilots on medical leave, the instructor core, and management pilots. So, again I️ donít think we are going to be overstaffed anytime in 2018. I️ think we still need to be hiring, we just donít have the sim capacity for transition training and new hire training to both happen until we get the bulk of the MD80 pilots transitioned.


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grnclvrs
11-09-2017, 07:40 AM
Not overstaffed now, overstaffed at the end of 2018. Allegiant has 89 planes now, 82 at the end of 2018. And if you are using 6 crews per plane from the previous poster, that makes it approximately 80 pilots extra at the END of 2018.

You mean 80 pilots light? 12 X 82 = 984. We're not even at 900 pilots now and that includes the 300 management pilots.

9easy
11-09-2017, 01:12 PM
They talked about this on the wall street quarterly earnings call. Although airframe count is down, utilization on the airbus is higher than the 80 so the net seat miles flow will still grow slightly year over year.

This hiring freeze has more to do with sim availability and increased utilization of crews now that we have a single fleet type.

Ground Effect
11-09-2017, 08:01 PM
Has there been any official announcement? Any date mentioned that they'll resume hiring?

dfwflyboy
11-12-2017, 01:47 PM
how many has allegiant hired so far this year?

LoFly
11-12-2017, 01:51 PM
how many has allegiant hired so far this year?

126 since Jan 2017. New hire class starting tomorrow and another one in December, not sure about the size. I guess 8-10 each?

Beretta01
11-12-2017, 03:33 PM
I guess no one has looked at the projected 2018 headcount that was just posted....looks very good for future growth. I can understand a class or two being delayed but for the sole purpose of accommodating MD80 pilots into the training pipeline to transition.

akulahunter
11-12-2017, 04:12 PM
I guess no one has looked at the projected 2018 headcount that was just posted....looks very good for future growth. I can understand a class or two being delayed but for the sole purpose of accommodating MD80 pilots into the training pipeline to transition.

Just looked at it. It seems to indicate a +150ish total increase from January to July 2018 (not including mgmt pilots). Hmmmm...

Jetflight77
11-12-2017, 10:38 PM
Does anyone feel that there will be a new hire class sometime in the first half of 2018?

Riverside
11-13-2017, 12:53 AM
Does anyone feel that there will be a new hire class sometime in the first half of 2018?

Let me shake my magic 8 ball. Swish swish swish. Ask again later. D'oh.

Beretta01
11-13-2017, 03:41 AM
Does anyone feel that there will be a new hire class sometime in the first half of 2018?

After seeing the projected headcount, Iíd say absolutely. I have heard Jan/Feb classes might get pushed though, however, thatís right about when the SFB training center should open....that should lighten the load on the training dept significantly.

Ground Effect
11-13-2017, 09:47 AM
Just recieved an email from Aero Crew Solutions. Their first ever virtual job fair is on Nov 17th and Allegiant has withdrawn from it.


Allegiant Air has informed us that they will not be attending the virtual pilot job fair on Friday. The company has accelerated the retirement of the MD-80 aircraft and decided to hault hiring until next year. The recruiting team wanted to say they are sorry for the last minute cancellation.

hyde
11-13-2017, 12:36 PM
A hiring freeze for 1 year and an increased headcount? Adds up to only 1 thing in my opinion

Beretta01
11-13-2017, 12:50 PM
A hiring freeze for 1 year and an increased headcount? Adds up to only 1 thing in my opinion

ďUntil next yearĒ.....as in 1.5 months from now....lol.

greeka
11-14-2017, 04:36 AM
This is a SIM time issue thats it! Lets stop making more than it is.

Machaca
11-14-2017, 04:46 AM
This is a SIM time issue thats it! Lets stop making more than it is.

Closer the truth, this is...AB sim was going to be unusable at some point in the near future. Really not happy about the possibility of Miami training and crappy hotels...one of the few things that gets done properly in LAS. Hotels for long term training that is.

Spigen
11-15-2017, 10:00 AM
A hiring freeze for 1 year and an increased headcount? Adds up to only 1 thing in my opinion

The hiring freeze is due to aircraft availability. We are also sitting with close to 10 Pilots per A/C and we are trying to take this number down. This will be more efficient when the Transition is complete

JustWatching
11-15-2017, 11:51 AM
The hiring freeze is due to aircraft availability. We are also sitting with close to 10 Pilots per A/C and we are trying to take this number down. This will be more efficient when the Transition is complete

No, it's not due to aircraft availability. Please, people... stop making stuff up! This is ONLY due to sim availablitly and will not be for long.

The current plan is to hire 45+ per month starting with a June class. This will change 1000 times and there will be classes in early 18.

akulahunter
11-15-2017, 12:06 PM
The current plan is to hire 45+ per month starting with a June class.


😮😃😂

You said 45/month... that's awesome! Pretty sure that you shouldn't be smoking that though...


stop making stuff up

I see what you did there.

N1sync
11-15-2017, 12:54 PM
No, it's not due to aircraft availability. Please, people... stop making stuff up! This is ONLY due to sim availablitly and will not be for long.

The current plan is to hire 45+ per month starting with a June class. This will change 1000 times and there will be classes in early 18.

Utilizing the Toulouse and Beijing Sims is what I hear

CaptainRoryNot
11-15-2017, 12:58 PM
Utilizing the Toulouse and Beijing Sims is what I hear

They'll have to for all the new routes

🇨🇦

j3cub
11-15-2017, 01:25 PM
No, it's not due to aircraft availability. Please, people... stop making stuff up! This is ONLY due to sim availablitly and will not be for long.

The current plan is to hire 45+ per month starting with a June class. This will change 1000 times and there will be classes in early 18.

I just heard from someone who was in a class that EG came into and said we are fully staffed through 2019. They want 6 crews per plane. We are at 10. No hiring for the forsee able future. They boned up hiring to prepare for the transition bubble and will let attritian even things out. Sorry to burst your bubble. Basic economics. Nothing to see here.

skydisaster
11-15-2017, 01:39 PM
I just heard from someone who was in a class that EG came into and said we are fully staffed through 2019. They want 6 crews per plane. We are at 10. No hiring for the forsee able future. They boned up hiring to prepare for the transition bubble and will let attritian even things out. Sorry to burst your bubble. Basic economics. Nothing to see here.



We are not even close to 10 CREWS per airplane. We are close to 10 PILOTS per airplane.


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N1sync
11-15-2017, 02:23 PM
I just heard from someone who was in a class that EG came into and said we are fully staffed through 2019. They want 6 crews per plane. We are at 10. No hiring for the forsee able future. They boned up hiring to prepare for the transition bubble and will let attritian even things out. Sorry to burst your bubble. Basic economics. Nothing to see here.

This is a growth company, we will continue to grow and hire after the transition

KC135
11-15-2017, 03:00 PM
I just heard from someone who was in a class that EG came into and said we are fully staffed through 2019. They want 6 crews per plane. We are at 10. No hiring for the forsee able future. They boned up hiring to prepare for the transition bubble and will let attritian even things out. Sorry to burst your bubble. Basic economics. Nothing to see here.

Fleet plan by end of next year will be 82 planes. 6 crews per plane would be 984. There will be plenty of hiring during the transition.

hyde
11-15-2017, 03:32 PM
So many alternate facts its hard to keep up

tailendcharlie
11-15-2017, 03:49 PM
This is looking a little like 2011-2013, when hiring slowed to a crawl and upgrade jumped from 2 to 5+ years. Not saying this will come to pass, but wouldn’t be surprised.

Beretta01
11-16-2017, 03:47 AM
This is looking a little like 2011-2013, when hiring slowed to a crawl and upgrade jumped from 2 to 5+ years. Not saying this will come to pass, but wouldnít be surprised.

How? Look at the 2018 headcount on G4Connect....

grnclvrs
11-16-2017, 05:06 AM
How? Look at the 2018 headcount on G4Connect....

The headcount is all over the place for 2018. Expect to see Miami Air and Sun Country at a lot of our gates.

beech1980
11-16-2017, 07:03 AM
The headcount is all over the place for 2018. Expect to see Miami Air and Sun Country at a lot of our gates.

With attrition and lack of pilots showing up for new hire class I doubt Sun Country will be doing much sub flying. Tried to hire 8 in November and only 4 showed up. Jude has made it clear that the pay rates will be addressed in the next contract negotiations.... thatís not until 2020. I donít think Sun Country will be around in 2020.

CAirBear
11-16-2017, 09:03 AM
With attrition and lack of pilots showing up for new hire class I doubt Sun Country will be doing much sub flying. Tried to hire 8 in November and only 4 showed up. Jude has made it clear that the pay rates will be addressed in the next contract negotiations.... thatís not until 2020. I donít think Sun Country will be around in 2020.

2020? Good lord. Yeah good luck with that. I had a friend who was an FO there leave to become a street Captain at Piedmont. What does that tell you.

beech1980
11-16-2017, 09:47 AM
2020? Good lord. Yeah good luck with that. I had a friend who was an FO there leave to become a street Captain at Piedmont. What does that tell you.

I heard about him. Just resigned. I heard another FO left for Endeavor.. More pilots are leaving than they can hire. Their growth plan is going to be hard to accomplish with the substandard pay, schedules, and retirement.

Beretta01
11-16-2017, 11:15 AM
I heard about him. Just resigned. I heard another FO left for Endeavor.. More pilots are leaving than they can hire. Their growth plan is going to be hard to accomplish with the substandard pay, schedules, and retirement.

....or perhaps their growth plan is to just be purchased by G4....

N1sync
11-16-2017, 04:43 PM
....or perhaps their growth plan is to just be purchased by G4....

Doubt it,. SWA will just ATA them for the gates

4GotPassword
11-16-2017, 09:11 PM
December interviews. Looks like they may be running classes through the transition.

CAirBear
11-17-2017, 05:42 AM
December interviews. Looks like they may be running classes through the transition.

But the upcoming class list only shows December now. I could have sworn it used to have classes into next year.

This is good though. Zero reason to continue interviewing just to tell people ďSee ya in 4-6 monthsĒ.

N1sync
11-17-2017, 08:32 AM
December interviews. Looks like they may be running classes through the transition.

So typical of this place, the left hand never knows what the right hand is doing and just when there's consensus... FP&A step in and change everything, but then flight ops complains and we end right back where we were before the entire process started.

4GotPassword
11-17-2017, 09:18 AM
Said interviews are no longer listed for December...maybe it was a mistake they were ever posted?

Jetflight77
11-17-2017, 08:16 PM
Feb class for new hires has already been cancelled. I really hope they put the class back on.

greeka
11-24-2017, 09:05 AM
Air bus training is far behind, start time for IOE is 4 to 6 weeks ! plus Vegas has to be all Airbus by summer! this is the only reason for hiring freeze.

Ground Effect
12-01-2017, 03:02 PM
Any official word on this hiring freeze yet or when they plan to pick it back up?

Machaca
12-01-2017, 04:29 PM
Any official word on this hiring freeze yet or when they plan to pick it back up?

Nope..focus is on the FA TA that just dropped...and probably won't pass.

hyde
12-01-2017, 06:03 PM
Nope..focus is on the FA TA that just dropped...and probably won't pass.
Say reason? I bet it does

Desert Sky
12-02-2017, 12:35 AM
I also bet it will pass. It is a decent TA.

j3cub
12-02-2017, 04:06 AM
Every FA I've flown with said they were happy with it.

akulahunter
12-02-2017, 04:40 AM
They need to get something on paper. It's probably not all they wanted, but there are some nice things in there (i.e. 1.3 for reroutes)

Machaca
12-02-2017, 09:51 AM
Say reason? I bet it does

Scope issues and specific language that explicitly says the company can do whatever they want, if the contract does not preclude it. If (big IF) that specific statement is limited to the scope clause, then I can't see this getting voted down. However, if (and we know the company will do this) it is used against every section of the contract, then it will seriously kill many of the gains.

There is no points system listed, but if the company wanted to keep it, and the contract doesn't preclude them from doing so, then they are looking at a jumble of grievance issues that won't be rectified in any amount of reasonable time. Just look at our issues...they make up crap out of whole cloth and 15 months later we still haven't resolved issues that are pretty clear cut.

Absent the scope issue, I would think this is a pretty decent first contract...problem is, the company said one thing about the PCH issue and we are still waiting on arbitration and will probably lose.

BigTime
12-09-2017, 11:09 PM
Interesting. Not a single senior FA I've spoken to seems to be willing to vote for it. The only ones who say they're voting for it are the ones who haven't read it yet.

akulahunter
12-10-2017, 02:40 AM
I dunno about the seniority issue, but I asked the 11 I have flown with over the last three days. 3 hard yes, 7 going to vote yes even though they don't like it, 1 hard no.

Of course, I wouldn't bet the house on this as the outcome and it isn't a double blind study and most likely not a representative spread, but since they released the details, it has been overwhelming yes (with a meh attitude) from the peeps I have flown with. However, the prevailing thought is to get something on paper.

Machaca
12-10-2017, 04:19 AM
I dunno about the seniority issue, but I asked the 11 I have flown with over the last three days. 3 hard yes, 7 going to vote yes even though they don't like it, 1 hard no.

Of course, I wouldn't bet the house on this as the outcome and it isn't a double blind study and most likely not a representative spread, but since they released the details, it has been overwhelming yes (with a meh attitude) from the peeps I have flown with. However, the prevailing thought is to get something on paper.

I'm hearing the same...lots to not be happy about, but getting rid of "at will" and a few other things will be a slight improvement. Though, their union doesn't seem to be listening to much, just steaming full speed ahead.

crxpilot
12-10-2017, 07:36 AM
At least now they will have a ďstatus quoĒ if it passes just like the pilots for the next go around. Lets face it, the deck is stacked against labor in this industry as demonstrated time and time again.

CAirBear
12-10-2017, 10:53 AM
Supposedly some significant financing, for this ridiculous monstrosity in FL, is contingent upon the passing of this TA. You know what that means. They NEED A DEAL and the FAs have a ton of leverage because of that.

I would be voting no. A senior FA getting guarantee (assuming 70 hours - I donít know their rules) isnít even grossing 40k.

If the company truly needs this done, there isnít a chance in hell they should being voting this in. Given they came to the table with this deal, seemingly unannounced, I think itís pretty safe to say they need it wrapped up.

FAs have leverage. Use it.

tom11011
12-10-2017, 11:06 AM
Itís going to pass.

Machaca
12-10-2017, 11:52 AM
Supposedly some significant financing, for this ridiculous monstrosity in FL, is contingent upon the passing of this TA. You know what that means. They NEED A DEAL and the FAs have a ton of leverage because of that.

I would be voting no. A senior FA getting guarantee (assuming 70 hours - I donít know their rules) isnít even grossing 40k.

If the company truly needs this done, there isnít a chance in hell they should being voting this in. Given they came to the table with this deal, seemingly unannounced, I think itís pretty safe to say they need it wrapped up.

FAs have leverage. Use it.

The Sunseeker thing hinges on an FA contract that will barely cost the company a few million? How is that even credible, particularly since the plan is to sell a majority of the condos before even breaking ground, pretty much funding the thing outright? They should indeed vote no, but they don't have leverage against their hotel plan...anyone recall any rumors about brand new airplanes when our TA dropped?

ecam
12-10-2017, 12:34 PM
The FA deal has nothing to do with the resort. It has everything to do with aircraft financing and potential mergers. Many things are going on behind the scenes right now.

CAirBear
12-10-2017, 12:37 PM
The Sunseeker thing hinges on an FA contract that will barely cost the company a few million? How is that even credible, particularly since the plan is to sell a majority of the condos before even breaking ground, pretty much funding the thing outright? They should indeed vote no, but they don't have leverage against their hotel plan...anyone recall any rumors about brand new airplanes when our TA dropped?

I donít recall new airplane rumors, yet that is exactly what happened. Again the company came to the pilots out of nowhere and came to a deal. They needed it for those planes. They showed up to the FA table with a deal, again out of nowhere.

Iím sure their BS is getting built regardless, yet you donít think they could get say better interest rates or other terms by having contracts in place?

You really think itís a coincidence the FAs and mechanics are all working on contracts right now?

There is a reason for it. They would continue to drag this out if there wasnít.

JustWatching
12-10-2017, 02:53 PM
Supposedly some significant financing, for this ridiculous monstrosity in FL, is contingent upon the passing of this TA. You know what that means. They NEED A DEAL and the FAs have a ton of leverage because of that.

I would be voting no. A senior FA getting guarantee (assuming 70 hours - I donít know their rules) isnít even grossing 40k.

If the company truly needs this done, there isnít a chance in hell they should being voting this in. Given they came to the table with this deal, seemingly unannounced, I think itís pretty safe to say they need it wrapped up.

FAs have leverage. Use it.

I toss the BS flag on this. FAís donít cost much, and there would be no financing hanging in the balance. 150 hours a month (or whatever the workaholics do) @ 25 bucks an hour is nothing.

The company only needs a deal when the NMB releases them.

grnclvrs
12-11-2017, 07:04 AM
I donít recall new airplane rumors, yet that is exactly what happened. Again the company came to the pilots out of nowhere and came to a deal. They needed it for those planes. They showed up to the FA table with a deal, again out of nowhere.

Iím sure their BS is getting built regardless, yet you donít think they could get say better interest rates or other terms by having contracts in place?

You really think itís a coincidence the FAs and mechanics are all working on contracts right now?

There is a reason for it. They would continue to drag this out if there wasnít.


Mechanics aren't working on a contract. They barely just started their card drive.

CAirBear
12-11-2017, 10:02 AM
Mechanics aren't working on a contract. They barely just started their card drive.

Iím aware, but the company did approach them with an offer.

labbats
12-11-2017, 10:32 AM
Iím aware, but the company did approach them with an offer.

How 2009 of them.

Desert Sky
12-11-2017, 11:22 PM
The FA deal has nothing to do with the resort. It has everything to do with aircraft financing and potential mergers. Many things are going on behind the scenes right now.
I tend to agree with this statement. 2018 may be a very interesting year for us.

disco inferno
12-12-2017, 04:44 AM
I tend to agree with this statement. 2018 may be a very interesting year for us.

The silence from management has been deafening lately. The subtle hints during down halls about Sun Country were sending either meant to confuse or inform, but I doubt were an accident. There has been a lack of any major announcements or any significant expansion lately. Either Allegiant has plateaued or something big is in the works.

grnclvrs
12-12-2017, 05:23 AM
Iím aware, but the company did approach them with an offer.

It wasn't an offer. It was a slap in the face that they was pushed on them.

CAirBear
12-12-2017, 03:45 PM
It wasn't an offer. It was a slap in the face that they was pushed on them.

No argument there.

JustWatching
12-13-2017, 06:16 AM
There has been a lack of any major announcements or any significant expansion lately. Either Allegiant has plateaued or something big is in the works.

It doesnít take a Mensa member to take a look at the overall picture and figure out why the expansion has slowed down. Youíre one of those that doesnít understand why margin has dropped during the transition either, right?

Look folks.... itís not doom and gloom. We have enough trouble putting one foot in front of the other around here. Management knows this and is now doing things one at a time. Let the 80s die completely before freaking out.

TBucs
12-13-2017, 06:50 AM
It doesnít take a Mensa member to take a look at the overall picture and figure out why the expansion has slowed down. Youíre one of those that doesnít understand why margin has dropped during the transition either, right?

Look folks.... itís not doom and gloom. We have enough trouble putting one foot in front of the other around here. Management knows this and is now doing things one at a time. Let the 80s die completely before freaking out.

Finally someone on here gets it.

livetofly2123
12-16-2017, 10:04 PM
Any update? Are they still not interviewing or hiring currently? Thanks for the info.

LoFly
12-17-2017, 08:35 AM
Any update? Are they still not interviewing or hiring currently? Thanks for the info.

There aren't any future NH class dates or upcoming interviews on the website. My guess is that you'll have to stay put until the company goes trough the first quarter of this full-speed-transition year: they'll have a better understanding on how far they can push it and where would it be operationally feasible to squeeze in few new hires classes.

Machaca
12-18-2017, 06:17 AM
There aren't any future NH class dates or upcoming interviews on the website. My guess is that you'll have to stay put until the company goes trough the first quarter of this full-speed-transition year: they'll have a better understanding on how far they can push it and where would it be operationally feasible to squeeze in few new hires classes.

Apparently a pilot pool is being established...check out one of the other threads, however, line pilots are not in the know, it's new. Given the investor info that has been published, we can expect to be "technically" overstaffed once the transition is complete (9.6 pilots per aircraft) which won't change much unless we get more than the scheduled 82 aircraft by EOY 2018.

hyde
12-21-2017, 08:07 PM
The FA TA passed 30 to 70%. Glad it did. Tried of the whining from pilots that "date" FAs talking about what a bad deal it was. It's average, like our CBA was. Better than nothing...a place to build from.

FreshWater
12-22-2017, 10:17 AM
The FA TA passed 30 to 70%. Glad it did. Tried of the whining from pilots that "date" FAs talking about what a bad deal it was. It's average, like our CBA was. Better than nothing...a place to build from.

Our nights in shining armor. {sarcasm on} They voted on something, what was it {sarcasm off}? Didnít read it nor did I discuss it with any FAs during my work related only interactions of mine. Iím just a little more than proud to admit that.

FlyingOkra
12-23-2017, 07:48 AM
The silence from management has been deafening lately. The subtle hints during down halls about Sun Country were sending either meant to confuse or inform, but I doubt were an accident. There has been a lack of any major announcements or any significant expansion lately. Either Allegiant has plateaued or something big is in the works.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/12/16/sun-country-airlines-sold-n-y-investment-group/954782001/


ďEAGAN, Minn. (AP) ó Eagan-based Sun Country Airlines is being sold to a New York-based investment group.

Apollo Global Management will purchase the airline for an undisclosed amount.

Current owners Mitch and Marty Davis say they decided to sell Sun Country to a group that could help the company grow faster.

MORE: Sun Country sets new baggage fees

Sun Countryís headquarters will stay in Minnesota. Jude Bricker will remain president and chief executive.

The Star Tribune of Minneapolis reports the deal is expected to close in the first quarter of 2018.

Sun Countryís flights are anchored at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport and are primarily set up for leisure travelers to reach warm-weather destinations, including resorts in Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean.

The Davis brothers also own Cambria, Davis Family Dairies and Cambria Mortgage and Title. They bought Sun Country in 2011.Ē

TiggaTee
01-04-2018, 09:39 AM
Has anyone heard about hiring updates for the new year? I'm very eager to know if they'll be reaching out to those who were offered interviews a few months back. Thanks in advance!

wilco811
01-04-2018, 06:59 PM
Has anyone heard about hiring updates for the new year? I'm very eager to know if they'll be reaching out to those who were offered interviews a few months back. Thanks in advance!

I've heard two different rumors. One is the hiring freeze is just for a few months and we will resume classes in April and the other is we won't have any new hire classes for all of 2018.

ecam
01-05-2018, 04:59 AM
They have postponed the February transition class to April. So I'm thinking that if they are that backlogged, newhire training isn't going to come any time soon. My guess is no newhires until late summer or fall. I don't think they can hang on much longer than that. Classes resume full steam in 2019. And I hear we are hiring into a pool now too.

Still strange things going on in Summerlin, so who knows.

ysslah
01-05-2018, 05:18 AM
Speaking of strange things happening, what the heck is going on in LAS today? VFN for senior trips going like a wild fire!

Captainbfv
01-05-2018, 03:54 PM
Speaking of strange things happening, what the heck is going on in LAS today? VFN for senior trips going like a wild fire!



For some reason many called in sick on the captain side. I assume Bc of the trips it was senior guys with a lot of sick bank since it changes in feb. Not to mention most that called in sick go to Airbus class Monday. Enjoy it while u can I suppose


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JustWatching
01-05-2018, 04:48 PM
For some reason many called in sick on the captain side. I assume Bc of the trips it was senior guys with a lot of sick bank since it changes in feb. Not to mention most that called in sick go to Airbus class Monday. Enjoy it while u can I suppose


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Most that called in were VBD guys. Only 1 somewhat senior LAS person and no one that starts class on Monday.

Captainbfv
01-05-2018, 07:51 PM
Most that called in were VBD guys. Only 1 somewhat senior LAS person and no one that starts class on Monday.



Aaaaaight


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