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MysteriousMrX
11-23-2017, 06:17 AM
Most majors hire into 737s or A320s, which are domestic (other than Caribbean and Mexico/Canada, I know)

What is the rough estimate of time to be able to bid a 757/767 or even a 777 at a major?


NYGiantsFan
11-23-2017, 06:41 AM
Most majors hire into 737s or A320s, which are domestic (other than Caribbean and Mexico/Canada, I know)

What is the rough estimate of time to be able to bid a 757/767 or even a 777 at a major?


some guys at UAL are getting 757/767 after about 3 years on property... a few years ago new hires were getting 76T right out of new hire training, but that isnt happening anymore... plan on 3yrs which isnt bad at all

WhiskeyDelta
11-23-2017, 06:59 AM
At Delta, you can get it most likely during the first bid at the end of your new hire seat lock so 1-2 years. Just about 2 years ago we had new hires going to the 757/767 but Iím not sure if thatís happening these days.

Regardless of the airline you fly for, you most likely will be junior longer on widebodies.


bigboeings
11-23-2017, 07:09 AM
some guys at UAL are getting 757/767 after about 3 years on property... a few years ago new hires were getting 76T right out of new hire training, but that isnt happening anymore... plan on 3yrs which isnt bad at all

Going to most likely be hiring into 757/767 shortly.

rightside02
11-23-2017, 07:16 AM
Class after me in April of this year had approx 25 new hires going to the 757/767 .

cynicalaviator
11-23-2017, 07:37 AM
At mentioned above, you can get in a 75/76 rather quickly at DAL. There has been new hire classes with a few 75/76 spots available as well.
However, you will be doing mostly domestic flying in this category as the international flying is more senior.
Therefore, being in a 737 or 320 category with more seniority might be something to consider.
The 767-400 and 330 take about 2-3 years to get and will have 95% international flying.
And as mentioned above, you 'll be junior for a while.

crewdawg
11-23-2017, 07:41 AM
Lots of newhires getting the 75/76 at Delta. We have guys at 1.5-2 years on the 330/764. LAX 777 plug got it at 2.5 years on property, which may have been an anomoly. 777/350 will generally go much higher seniority, but the 330/764 will likely continue to go sub-5 years(ish).

sweptback
11-23-2017, 09:09 AM
If you consider the 767 a wide body, it’s attainable as a new hire at United. There’s no seat lock to bid up in pay, but you will be forever junior as you watch people bid ahead of you. You won’t fly much, since we bid flying FO and bunkie separately.

777 and 787 can be held at about the two-year mark, mostly in SFO but EWR isn’t far behind. A few held it in ORD as we staffed up for the 773s, but it hasn’t been that junior since.

Unless you’re just desperate to fly a big airplane, your QWL will be vastly better on a narrow body until you have some seniority.

SUX4U
11-23-2017, 11:26 AM
Going to most likely be hiring into 757/767 shortly.

What he said! It most certainly does NOT take 3 years to hold 756. If you cant get it in new hire class, chances are almost certain to get it on the next vacancy bid.

tunes
11-23-2017, 11:32 AM
At Delta, you can get it most likely during the first bid at the end of your new hire seat lock so 1-2 years. Just about 2 years ago we had new hires going to the 757/767 but Iím not sure if thatís happening these days.

Regardless of the airline you fly for, you most likely will be junior longer on widebodies.

the last 4-5 months new hires have steadily been going to it.

PW305
11-23-2017, 11:56 AM
Day one at FedEx/UPS for a lot of folks

Rsv4lyfe
11-23-2017, 12:15 PM
Newhires in the last class at FDX went to the MD11 and A300. This year, people have gone to every airplane, including the 777. Folks that were hired into the 777 last year are holding lines.

robxjt27
11-23-2017, 02:47 PM
Day one at FedEx/UPS for a lot of folks

Exactly... widebody, international, catered flying in nice airplanes at UPS on day 1.

flensr
11-23-2017, 03:01 PM
What does a schedule look like for a new 757/767 FO out of LAX?

kansas
11-23-2017, 03:12 PM
Unless youíre just desperate to fly a big airplane, your QOL will be vastly better on a narrow body until you have some seniority.

This. QOL all depends on the individual of course, but as a guy that really wants to do the widebody flying, it just won't make sense for me for a while. Someday down the road. Trying to enjoy the ride for what it is TODAY.

tunes
11-23-2017, 09:15 PM
What does a schedule look like for a new 757/767 FO out of LAX?

reserve.....

flensr
11-24-2017, 12:40 AM
Reserve fly or reserve sit-at-home? Little of both?

prex8390
11-24-2017, 05:58 AM
Reserve fly or reserve sit-at-home? Little of both?

Speaking for a friend Of mine, he got LAX 75/76 at delta as a new hire. Heís been flying to Hawaii a ton lately. That and transcon and little bit of Asia and Europe.

WHACKMASTER
11-24-2017, 03:58 PM
About 20 years at SWA......if ever.

Bahamasflyer
11-24-2017, 04:43 PM
What # company wide would a 50% 777FO at EWR be at UAL?

80ktsClamp
11-24-2017, 05:53 PM
That all depends on how quickly you’re willing to lower your standards on a layover.

I didn’t actually read the OP... is that what you were asking?

Half wing
11-24-2017, 07:17 PM
What # company wide would a 50% 777FO at EWR be at UAL?

5900 or 47%

Bahamasflyer
11-25-2017, 12:02 PM
5900 or 47%

Thanks.

If one lived in base with that seniority, and purposely bid reserve, would they have a good QOL if the goal was to just sit at home? How often would someone that senior be called?

okawner
11-25-2017, 12:57 PM
Seniority at UAL only factors into picking up assignments, not getting assigned. So your chances of getting assigned are the same regardless of seniority.

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UALinIAH
11-26-2017, 05:33 PM
Seniority at UAL only factors into picking up assignments, not getting assigned. So your chances of getting assigned are the same regardless of seniority.

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Locals tend to pick up Short Calls which are used rarely. Commuters avoid them because you have to be within call out range. Some locals who could hold a line bid reserve and pick up SCs to avoid working.

Half wing
11-26-2017, 06:40 PM
Thanks.

If one lived in base with that seniority, and purposely bid reserve, would they have a good QOL if the goal was to just sit at home? How often would someone that senior be called?

SSC report has 777 reserve FO's flying on average o 20-30 hours a month.

Sniper66
11-27-2017, 07:54 AM
Seniority at UAL only factors into picking up assignments, not getting assigned. So your chances of getting assigned are the same regardless of seniority.

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Same at Delta and 3 years to get a 330 spot out of DTW

TheRaven
11-28-2017, 03:26 PM
If you consider the 767 a wide body.....

what do you consider it?

Al Czervik
11-28-2017, 05:49 PM
what do you consider it?

https://youtu.be/EAt8k0a7NlI

Joachim
11-29-2017, 04:01 AM
https://youtu.be/EAt8k0a7NlI

Well played...

MasterOfPuppets
11-30-2017, 07:12 AM
some guys at UAL are getting 757/767 after about 3 years on property... a few years ago new hires were getting 76T right out of new hire training, but that isnt happening anymore... plan on 3yrs which isnt bad at all

The most junior pilot at United Airlines is a 767 FO.......

davessn763
11-30-2017, 09:46 AM
what do you consider it?

Twin aisle narrowbody with the industryís worst crew rest seat and a roomy cockpit.

bigboeings
11-30-2017, 12:07 PM
Twin aisle narrowbody with the industryís worst crew rest seat and a roomy cockpit.

The new Polaris rest area is quite nice!

John Carr
12-01-2017, 09:40 AM
what do you consider it?

As oppososed using “what is it you consider a widebody?”

https://youtu.be/j4XT-l-_3y0