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LSmall
11-27-2017, 03:23 PM
Any pilot out there from Southern Air? Are they hiring many pilots?


Birdsmash
11-27-2017, 05:33 PM
There are possible January and February 777 classes. I’m not sure if interviews have or will start soon. There are rumors of additional 777’s but we’ve been hearing that for over a year and nothing has happened. We are fat on 777 FO’s now so if we don’t add aircraft we will be obese on FO’s. That would lead to last minute cancelled classes or worse. OE has been backed up for close to 4 months after the type. Leave a good job for Southern at your own risk.

TurboCheez
11-27-2017, 06:20 PM
There are possible January and February 777 classes. Iím not sure if interviews have or will start soon. There are rumors of additional 777ís but weíve been hearing that for over a year and nothing has happened. We are fat on 777 FOís now so if we donít add aircraft we will be obese on FOís. That would lead to last minute cancelled classes or worse. OE has been backed up for close to 4 months after the type. Leave a good job for Southern at your own risk.

Will a flying job at Southern lead to a job at Atlas?


woog315
11-27-2017, 10:20 PM
Will a flying job at Southern lead to a job at Atlas?

Please blow my brains out.

akfr8r
11-28-2017, 01:40 AM
Will a flying job at Southern lead to a job at Atlas?

This is why we canít have nice things!

LSmall
11-28-2017, 02:40 AM
This is why we canít have nice things!

It sounds like it may not be worth it for my son to drive from Florida to Dallas to meet Southern recruiters. Is that just a rumor about Atlas?

Birdsmash
11-28-2017, 03:03 AM
Will a flying job at Southern lead to a job at Atlas?

Do you mean will getting hired at Southern lead to working for an upper management team that sues its pilots in Federal court? Most definitely!

FR8Dog7
11-28-2017, 03:11 AM
Do you mean will getting hired at Southern lead to working for an upper management team that sues its pilots in Federal court? Most definitely!


There are a lot of you that keep saying this. You need to learn the difference between a court injunction and suing a person or a group. There have been NO law suits filed directly against the pilots by Atlas.

motorclutch
11-28-2017, 03:43 AM
****ing idiot troll

FR8Dog7
11-28-2017, 03:48 AM
****ing idiot troll

I am a retired 22 year Atlas pilot, but I do know how to read a lawsuit.

Although I miss flying the Whale, I sure don't miss flying with guy's like you! :D

Atrasaty
11-28-2017, 03:54 AM
There are a lot of you that keep saying this. You need to learn the difference between a court injunction and suing a person or a group. There have been NO law suits filed directly against the pilots by Atlas.


ATLAS AIR, INC. and POLAR AIR CARGO WORLDWIDE, INC.,
Plaintiffs,
v.
INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF TEAMSTERS; INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF TEAMSTERS, AIRLINE DIVISION; and AIRLINE PROFESSIONALS ASSOCIATION OF THE INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF TEAMSTERS, LOCAL UNION NO. 1224

The pilots ARE the Union and the Union ARE the pilots. You need to learn how a Court Injunction is ordered. A PLAINTIFF, Atlas Air in this case must file a LAW SUIT in a Court of LAW against a DEFENDANT. THATS US.....YOU REALLY DONT GET THAT.? REALLY?

Def:

law.suit. An action or proceeding other than a criminal prosecution brought in a court of law or equity.

FR8Dog7
11-28-2017, 04:20 AM
ATLAS AIR, INC. and POLAR AIR CARGO WORLDWIDE, INC.,
Plaintiffs,
v.
INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF TEAMSTERS; INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF TEAMSTERS, AIRLINE DIVISION; and AIRLINE PROFESSIONALS ASSOCIATION OF THE INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF TEAMSTERS, LOCAL UNION NO. 1224

The pilots ARE the Union and the Union ARE the pilots. You need to learn how a Court Injunction is ordered. A PLAINTIFF, Atlas Air in this case must file a LAW SUIT in a Court of LAW against a DEFENDANT. THATS US.....YOU REALLY DONT GET THAT.? REALLY?

Def:

law.suit. An action or proceeding other than a criminal prosecution brought in a court of law or equity.


Answer me this Batman, HAVE YOU PERSONALLY BEEN SERVED with ANY legal papers to your home address of record, by certified or registered mail? I am willing to bet not!

useless
11-28-2017, 06:03 AM
Anyone going to southern air is going to be working under that POS bankruptcy CBA and southern colors until at least 2019.

Kougarok
11-28-2017, 06:30 AM
Answer me this Batman, HAVE YOU PERSONALLY BEEN SERVED with ANY legal papers to your home address of record, by certified or registered mail? I am willing to bet not!

You must have been management or a real good company man...

Diesel8
11-28-2017, 06:32 AM
Anyone going to southern air is going to be working under that POS bankruptcy CBA and southern colors until at least 2019.

Maybe not even that long.

Diesel8
11-28-2017, 06:40 AM
Answer me this Batman, HAVE YOU PERSONALLY BEEN SERVED with ANY legal papers to your home address of record, by certified or registered mail? I am willing to bet not!

A letter from the company sent by email & UPS stating that the 1224 Union of which pilots are a member of are being sued in court.

Could UPS be considered certified or registered?

The envelope was in my mailbox indicating that it was delivered by USPS.

That would appear to be serious intent.

Probably cost a total of one Atlas FO's year's salary to send all those letters out.

Atrasaty
11-28-2017, 06:47 AM
Answer me this Batman, HAVE YOU PERSONALLY BEEN SERVED with ANY legal papers to your home address of record, by certified or registered mail? I am willing to bet not!

Well Robin.....I think your tights are cutting of the circulation to your brain which is obviously down in that region. You would have to have your head up your a$$ to come to that conclusion :eek:

useless
11-28-2017, 06:58 AM
Maybe not even that long.

The email this morning said SOC will be delayed until 2019. I don't foresee a new CBA before that either.

Diesel8
11-28-2017, 07:10 AM
The email this morning said SOC will be delayed until 2019. I don't foresee a new CBA before that either.

That letter is so full of holes and doubt, I would not draw even that conclusion from it.

The viability of SAI as a working entity any further than mid 2018 is seriously in doubt.

When Dietrich referenced feedback from the union representing our pilots, which one's was he referring to? Atlas & Southern, or just Atlas. I would assume the latter and not the former. That would further drive a wedge between the groups to perpetuate their contract negotiations.

Atrasaty
11-28-2017, 07:29 AM
The email this morning said SOC will be delayed until 2019. I don't foresee a new CBA before that either.

I agree. My guess is that the high $ law firm that the company retained has advised them not to go through with the SOC as it may hurt their amalgamation lawsuit filed against some entity, nothing to do with the pilots:D

Diesel8
11-28-2017, 07:39 AM
Just do a web search on SOC and union issues.

Known about this since the beginning of the "merger".

NoJoy
11-28-2017, 09:20 AM
So 2018 is now a wash. And probably most if not all of 2019. We'll get
the results of the first lawsuit decision sometime this week.

RyeMex
11-28-2017, 10:09 AM
So 2018 is now a wash. And probably most if not all of 2019. We'll get
the results of the first lawsuit decision sometime this week.

I think that you mean the second lawsuit. The first lawsuit (the amalgamation suit) does not yet have any sort of timeline for a decision to be issued, as far as I recall.

I know, it gets difficult keeping all of the litigation that the company files against us in order.

TurboCheez
11-29-2017, 05:52 AM
It sounds like it may not be worth it for my son to drive from Florida to Dallas to meet Southern recruiters. Is that just a rumor about Atlas?

Do these responses answer your question?

Ludicrous Speed
11-29-2017, 07:49 AM
I am a retired 22 year Atlas pilot, but I do know how to read a lawsuit.

Although I miss flying the Whale, I sure don't miss flying with guy's like you! :D

Your old guard kind did the pilot group a disservice, so enjoy your shuffleboard and good riddance.

LSmall
11-29-2017, 08:21 AM
Do these responses answer your question?

Thinking about a Buddy pass on Delta to get him to the Dallas job fair. Anyone ever use those?

JackStraw
11-29-2017, 08:22 AM
I am a retired 22 year Atlas pilot, but I do know how to read a lawsuit.

Although I miss flying the Whale, I sure don't miss flying with guy's like you! :D

Thanks for the great contract.. adios.

JackStraw
11-29-2017, 08:24 AM
Thinking about a Buddy pass on Delta to get him to the Dallas job fair. Anyone ever use those?

Youíre better off buyin a ticket on American. Same price with a guaranteed seat. Buddy passes are worthless these days.

FR8Dog7
11-29-2017, 08:51 AM
Thanks for the great contract.. adios.

You thank your buddy Dave Bourne for that and the move to Teamsters. I had nothing to do with either.

Spike from flyi
11-29-2017, 10:51 AM
You thank your buddy Dave Bourne for that and the move to Teamsters. I had nothing to do with either.

Will you please leave us alone?

DC8DRIVER
11-29-2017, 03:54 PM
I am a retired 22 year Atlas pilot, but I do know how to read a lawsuit.

Although I miss flying the Whale, I sure don't miss flying with guy's like you! :D

You have nothing to do with Atlas now.

Go away, management stooge.

FR8Dog7
11-30-2017, 02:04 AM
You have nothing to do with Atlas now.

Go away, management stooge.

That is funny! Management? Just one of the original that built Atlas into what it is today so you can have a job. There were only 227 pilots when I got hired. You like paying 2.5% dues for the non-existent attorney that was supposed to be hired with that money? Your Exco has purposely dragged this out also so they can enjoy their prime rib and jumbo prawn dinners on your dime. You go take a look at what those guys are taking home. Then go look here and see what Atlas is paying in flight pay loss.

https://olms.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQry.do

Spike from flyi
11-30-2017, 03:54 AM
That is funny! Management? Just one of the original that built Atlas into what it is today so you can have a job. There were only 227 pilots when I got hired. You like paying 2.5% dues for the non-existent attorney that was supposed to be hired with that money? Your Exco has purposely dragged this out also so they can enjoy their prime rib and jumbo prawn dinners on your dime. You go take a look at what those guys are taking home. Then go look here and see what Atlas is paying in flight pay loss.

https://olms.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQry.do

You are not welcome here.

742Dash
11-30-2017, 04:55 AM
You are not welcome here.

Who are you to make that decision?

This holier than thou self righteous chest beating is doing far more damage to this union than any real or imagined management sycophants.

DC8DRIVER
11-30-2017, 05:45 AM
So the wife won't speak to you and you've got no friends.

Just a lonely old has-been sitting in in front of a computer who has nothing better to do than spew hatred.

You are not any part of this union, nor are you any part of Atlas.

Get another life.

Atrasaty
11-30-2017, 09:33 AM
That is funny! Management? Just one of the original that built Atlas into what it is today so you can have a job. There were only 227 pilots when I got hired. You like paying 2.5% dues for the non-existent attorney that was supposed to be hired with that money? Your Exco has purposely dragged this out also so they can enjoy their prime rib and jumbo prawn dinners on your dime. You go take a look at what those guys are taking home. Then go look here and see what Atlas is paying in flight pay loss.

https://olms.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQry.do

Good grief...that old chestnut. YOU didn't build anything.....Chowdry built it....hired you and when he said jump you said "how high sir?" He was a skilled recruiter of YES MEN.

FR8Dog7
11-30-2017, 12:26 PM
ORDERED that Defendants, their officers, agents, employees, members employed by Plaintiffs, and all persons acting in concert with any of them be, are hereby preliminarily enjoined from authorizing, encouraging, permitting, calling, engaging in, or continuing any strike, work stoppage, sick-out, concerted refusal to volunteer for or to accept work assignments (including, without limitation, open time flights), slowdown (including, without limitation, the existing SHOP and BOOT campaigns), or other self-help against Plaintiffs relating to the dispute or disputes arising from the Section 6 notice served in the round of bargaining that commenced on or about February 2016; and it is further


Guess that worked out really well for you Gary S.! :D

Globemaster2827
11-30-2017, 05:27 PM
That is funny! Management? Just one of the original that built Atlas into what it is today so you can have a job. There were only 227 pilots when I got hired. You like paying 2.5% dues for the non-existent attorney that was supposed to be hired with that money? Your Exco has purposely dragged this out also so they can enjoy their prime rib and jumbo prawn dinners on your dime. You go take a look at what those guys are taking home. Then go look here and see what Atlas is paying in flight pay loss.

https://olms.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQry.do
A conspiracy theorist... Nice.

FR8Dog7
12-01-2017, 04:02 AM
A conspiracy theorist... Nice.


Oh yes, a theory. I think not go take a look.


Name and Address
(A)
Atlas Air Inc

2000 Westchester Ave
Purchase
NY
10577
Type or Classification
(B)
flight pay loss
Purpose
(C) Date
(D) Amount
(E)
Total Itemized Transactions with this Payee/Payer $1,103,894
Total Non-Itemized Transactions with this Payee/Payer
Total of All Transactions with this Payee/Payer for This Schedule $1,103,894
cost reimbursement 02/12/2016 $109,009
cost reimbursement 03/18/2016 $110,551
cost reimbursement 07/15/2016 $160,383
cost reimbursement 08/12/2016 $83,116
cost reimbursement 09/23/2016 $39,224
cost reimbursement 11/30/2016 $146,425
cost reimbursement 12/28/2016 $70,661
cost reimbursement 02/05/2016 $50,850
cost reimbursement 08/19/2016 $169,341
cost reimbursement 05/13/2016 $110,441
cost reimbursement 10/21/2016 $53,893
Total Itemized Transactions with this Payee/Payer $1,103,894
Total Non-Itemized Transactions with this Payee/Payer
Total of All Transactions with this Payee/Payer for This Schedule $1,103,894


Over a MILLION $$ for flight pay loss. Probably a few bottles of wine and a couple of dozen lobster tails and stone crab claws at those dinners too!

And take a very close look at your Exco leaders expenses compared to everyone else!

Kirchner , Robert
EXCO Atlas
C $0 $0 $44,163 $0 $44,163

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming

robthree
12-02-2017, 03:51 AM
Oh yes, a theory. I think not go take a look.




Fegelein? MEMbrain? That is you, isn't it?

Who pays you to troll these forums? And how much?
I might be interested in joining your team.

LSmall
12-05-2017, 09:58 AM
Youíre better off buyin a ticket on American. Same price with a guaranteed seat. Buddy passes are worthless these days.

Good idea. I had a friend tell me don't even think about a Buddy. Now that Sun Country is coming too, it is definitely worth the ticket since the job fair is free.

Globemaster2827
12-05-2017, 04:52 PM
Oh yes, a theory. I think not go take a look.


Name and Address
(A)
Atlas Air Inc

2000 Westchester Ave
Purchase
NY
10577
Type or Classification
(B)
flight pay loss
Purpose
(C) Date
(D) Amount
(E)
Total Itemized Transactions with this Payee/Payer $1,103,894
Total Non-Itemized Transactions with this Payee/Payer
Total of All Transactions with this Payee/Payer for This Schedule $1,103,894
cost reimbursement 02/12/2016 $109,009
cost reimbursement 03/18/2016 $110,551
cost reimbursement 07/15/2016 $160,383
cost reimbursement 08/12/2016 $83,116
cost reimbursement 09/23/2016 $39,224
cost reimbursement 11/30/2016 $146,425
cost reimbursement 12/28/2016 $70,661
cost reimbursement 02/05/2016 $50,850
cost reimbursement 08/19/2016 $169,341
cost reimbursement 05/13/2016 $110,441
cost reimbursement 10/21/2016 $53,893
Total Itemized Transactions with this Payee/Payer $1,103,894
Total Non-Itemized Transactions with this Payee/Payer
Total of All Transactions with this Payee/Payer for This Schedule $1,103,894


Over a MILLION $$ for flight pay loss. Probably a few bottles of wine and a couple of dozen lobster tails and stone crab claws at those dinners too!

And take a very close look at your Exco leaders expenses compared to everyone else!

Kirchner , Robert
EXCO Atlas
C $0 $0 $44,163 $0 $44,163

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming

We know who you are. We're glad you're gone. You think this is some grand conspiracy but paying people to do the work of a big boy 1600 pilot group and lawyers is expensive - VERY expensive. Atlas isn't 227 pilots anymore. Enjoy retirement and please go away.

FR8Dog7
12-06-2017, 04:24 AM
We know who you are. We're glad you're gone. You think this is some grand conspiracy but paying people to do the work of a big boy 1600 pilot group and lawyers is expensive - VERY expensive. Atlas isn't 227 pilots anymore. Enjoy retirement and please go away.

And this comes from the group that just voted for new Stewards.



The election period for the Atlas Stewards (9 positions) closed today. Following are the results of the election:


David Mason 323

Peter Baranko 321

Brent Desserich 319

Daniel Lennox 295

Ryan Ruggiero 295

Justin Wargo 283

Kevin McCabe 262

Shawn Hobek 256

Yonathan Asmerom 244

Donald Sorrentino 239

Michael Stone 238

Brian Richardson 213

Christopher Viertel 191

Total Ballots Received: 473

Total Electorate: 1,472

Percentage Voted: 32.13%


Congratulations to the newly elected Atlas Stewards: David Mason, Peter Baranko, Brent Desserich, Daniel Lennox, Ryan Ruggiero, Justin Wargo, Kevin McCabe, Shawn Hobek and Yonathan Asmerom. The term of the newly elected Atlas Stewards will begin January 1, 2018 and end December 31, 2020.


473 voted out of 1472! And then you vote in Pete Baranko and Shawn Hobek that both publicly disparaged one of our original pilots and instructors. And wished him a slow and painful death when he was dying from brain cancer.

Globemaster2827
12-06-2017, 05:22 AM
And this comes from the group that just voted for new Stewards.



The election period for the Atlas Stewards (9 positions) closed today. Following are the results of the election:


David Mason 323

Peter Baranko 321

Brent Desserich 319

Daniel Lennox 295

Ryan Ruggiero 295

Justin Wargo 283

Kevin McCabe 262

Shawn Hobek 256

Yonathan Asmerom 244

Donald Sorrentino 239

Michael Stone 238

Brian Richardson 213

Christopher Viertel 191

Total Ballots Received: 473

Total Electorate: 1,472

Percentage Voted: 32.13%


Congratulations to the newly elected Atlas Stewards: David Mason, Peter Baranko, Brent Desserich, Daniel Lennox, Ryan Ruggiero, Justin Wargo, Kevin McCabe, Shawn Hobek and Yonathan Asmerom. The term of the newly elected Atlas Stewards will begin January 1, 2018 and end December 31, 2020.


473 voted out of 1472! And then you vote in Pete Baranko and Shawn Hobek that both publicly disparaged one of our original pilots and instructors. And wished him a slow and painful death when he was dying from brain cancer.

.... And you're still talking when you should be playing scrabble or taking your Grandchildren out for ice cream...

Globe Master
12-06-2017, 09:01 AM
This topic is labeled Southern Air.

Please keep your comments directed towards Southern Air.

Thanks for sharing your useless comments Fr8

kolt66
12-06-2017, 09:24 AM
This topic is labeled Southern Air.

Please keep your comments directed towards Southern Air.

Thanks for sharing your useless comments Fr8

I assume you're at Southern? Is it as miserable as everyone on these forums says that it is? Do you have any hope that the 20 day on schedule will be changed to 18 or less after Southern and Atlas are on the same certificate and they get a new contract?

AVIATOR3
12-06-2017, 11:25 AM
I'm currently at Southern Air on the 777! It's not as bad as people say. Lots of good pilots to fly with. My schedule for December has me home for 9 days of home reserve and 10 days out on the road.

I have nothing good to say about the company, and the ****ty contract ,but the pilot group is great, the plane is amazing. The overnight hotels are really nice. It's an easy job tbh.

With all that said, i have my applications out, hoping to get out. I was at Republic, and life in general its better here than at Republic, I also make more money here, without having to commute to a crashpad.

I don't regret coming here, but I hope I can find something better soon where I can retire from.

I will say that having the 777 type and international experience has landed me two interviews that will hopefully let me move on. And I will say that for my own experience, this is better for me than commuting to a crashpad to sit reserve at a regional.

All of this is my own honest opinion. I have nothing to do with the company, and I am not a company man by any means. This is a ****ty company, but not as bad as some people will make it out to be.

Atlas has no intention of giving us a better contract until they absolutely have to, and I think it will be an arbitrated contract after seeing how they're paying judges off.

If you're a regional captain: Stay where you are, keep applying.

kolt66
12-06-2017, 01:19 PM
I'm currently at Southern Air on the 777! It's not as bad as people say. Lots of good pilots to fly with. My schedule for December has me home for 9 days of home reserve and 10 days out on the road.

I have nothing good to say about the company, and the ****ty contract ,but the pilot group is great, the plane is amazing. The overnight hotels are really nice. It's an easy job tbh.

With all that said, i have my applications out, hoping to get out. I was at Republic, and life in general its better here than at Republic, I also make more money here, without having to commute to a crashpad.

I don't regret coming here, but I hope I can find something better soon where I can retire from.

I will say that having the 777 type and international experience has landed me two interviews that will hopefully let me move on. And I will say that for my own experience, this is better for me than commuting to a crashpad to sit reserve at a regional.

All of this is my own honest opinion. I have nothing to do with the company, and I am not a company man by any means. This is a ****ty company, but not as bad as some people will make it out to be.

Atlas has no intention of giving us a better contract until they absolutely have to, and I think it will be an arbitrated contract after seeing how they're paying judges off.

If you're a regional captain: Stay where you are, keep applying.

Lots of good info there. Thank you very much. I'll probably be interviewing soon and want to get as much honest information about the company and its future as possible.

No Land 3
12-09-2017, 11:37 AM
Brian Richardson, I see he likes the union stuff still, surprised doing it for Mesa didnít burn him out...



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