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afterburn81
12-11-2017, 07:30 PM
In my travels I certainly don't see many Falcons. I have yet to meet anyone that has flown one and would appreciate some info if possible. This forum is full of pros so I'm sure someone has a little insight.

Right now I'm looking at a possible 91 job on the Falcon 2000EX EASy. Really a no brainer decision to take the job if offered considering my position in the industry at the moment.

How did or do you like flying the aircraft? What should be an expected salary for an SIC on-call 91 gig that flys very little per month?

How was training on this aircraft compared to something like a CRJ?

As always, appreciate everyone's professionalism and awesome resourcefulness.


grumman41
12-12-2017, 04:24 AM
Until the 2000 experts weigh in......I was typed and flew the Falcon 10 for a few years and made a few trips in the Falcon 900B (classic avionics).

I found the Falcons to be very well balanced on the controls and I felt immediately at ease flying the 10. I always felt that the ergonomics where very well thought out. It adds complexity and cost but I am strong believer in the "slats" philosophy.

Straight forward, don't sweat it!

BoilerUP
12-12-2017, 05:00 AM
I haven't flown a 2000, but my friends that have (backgrounds in ERJs/E-Jets/CRJs/Hawkers and Gulfstreams) all say it is the easiest, best-handflying airplane they have ever flown.

EASy can be a PITA to learn from what I understand, especially coming from Collins as the CR7 has, but for a younger person the transition shouldn't be an issue.

Training? Prepare your liver, I've been told it is a 12 day course crammed into nearly four weeks with most of the course being avionics.

Salary? It is on the high side of NBAA Group III, don't sell yourself short (especially in this hiring environment). $100k sounds like a reasonable place to start, adjusted for local cost of living.


afterburn81
12-12-2017, 07:14 AM
Hey thanks. Good info!

AOA1
12-12-2017, 05:39 PM
I've flown 50/50EX/900B and 900EASy with most of my time in the 900EASy. I have not flown the 2000, but the wing is essentially the same. I think anyone you talk to that has flown Falcons will tell you they are hands down the nicest flying of all the corporate jets. Very docile. It's a great wing that allows very low approach speeds yet .80 cruise speeds. It will go faster but it's was optimized for .80.

The EASy avionics take a little getting used to, but it's a great system once you learn the logic behind it. Other avionics manufacturers today are trying to come up with a similar system to what Honeywell designed in the EASy way back in 2005. It was ahead of its time. Yes as someone else said, it's a 4 week course for an EASy type and you'll spend most of the first 2 weeks on avionics.

Pay around 100k sounds reasonable for an SIC starting out in this market.
You'll love the Falcon!

afterburn81
12-14-2017, 06:49 AM
I've flown 50/50EX/900B and 900EASy with most of my time in the 900EASy. I have not flown the 2000, but the wing is essentially the same. I think anyone you talk to that has flown Falcons will tell you they are hands down the nicest flying of all the corporate jets. Very docile. It's a great wing that allows very low approach speeds yet .80 cruise speeds. It will go faster but it's was optimized for .80.

The EASy avionics take a little getting used to, but it's a great system once you learn the logic behind it. Other avionics manufacturers today are trying to come up with a similar system to what Honeywell designed in the EASy way back in 2005. It was ahead of its time. Yes as someone else said, it's a 4 week course for an EASy type and you'll spend most of the first 2 weeks on avionics.

Pay around 100k sounds reasonable for an SIC starting out in this market.
You'll love the Falcon!

Awesome man! Very excited for the possible opportunity. Been flying RJs my whole career. I'm really in need of a challenge with something different. Same ole routes in a very simple airplane for the next 30 years isn't really what I signed up for lol.

flyer15
12-14-2017, 09:38 AM
I fly the 50, and it is a nice plane. Easy on the controls.
With that said, the outfit is asking me to come up with salary requirements. Fly as a CA on the 50 and on their PC12. Ive looked at all the charts but I don’t know how people merge two different airplanes and pay. Any advice? Numbers? I live in the highest cost of living in the country.

BoilerUP
12-14-2017, 01:56 PM
I fly the 50, and it is a nice plane. Easy on the controls.
With that said, the outfit is asking me to come up with salary requirements. Fly as a CA on the 50 and on their PC12. Ive looked at all the charts but I don’t know how people merge two different airplanes and pay. Any advice? Numbers? I live in the highest cost of living in the country.

Compensation based on largest aircraft flown.

Your local cost of living will obviously skew salary as will the 'price of pilots' which has gone up; I'd suggest NBAA Jet III or IV Senior CA base salary (median or 75%) and use the federal locality adjustment to move it upward.

RadarPwr
12-14-2017, 07:09 PM
In my travels I certainly don't see many Falcons. I have yet to meet anyone that has flown one and would appreciate some info if possible. This forum is full of pros so I'm sure someone has a little insight.

Right now I'm looking at a possible 91 job on the Falcon 2000EX EASy. Really a no brainer decision to take the job if offered considering my position in the industry at the moment.

How did or do you like flying the aircraft? What should be an expected salary for an SIC on-call 91 gig that flys very little per month?

How was training on this aircraft compared to something like a CRJ?

As always, appreciate everyone's professionalism and awesome resourcefulness.

The 2000LXS is a great platform. Short field performance is impressive. Aircraft is solid and is greatly improved compared to the classics w the 738's. Systems are simple yet effective. I can't think of any real chronic issues with the aircraft. Dassault home office is not the greatest to deal with on ....well basically anything but Little Rock was solid. You will enjoy the Falcons after being in the CRJ. Not overly excited about the Easy system. Lots of cockpit heads down time at first when learning. I've flown over 5,000hrs within the classic 2000, LXS, 900EX, and 7X. Overall, the 2000 EX and variants thereof are a thumbs up for sure.

Lucky8888
12-15-2017, 11:39 PM
I fly a 900LX and love it. Dassault treats us good and I have no complaints. Personally, I didn't find the EasyII to be that difficult. I'm a technical guy so I guess that helped. I came from an aircraft with a Proline 21. All in all, we're planning on moving to a new 900LX or an 8X within the next year.

Falcondrivr
12-16-2017, 12:50 PM
I’ve flown the 10, 50, 900EX, and now in the 2000LX. We have always called the legacy falcons “Bizjets for dummies.” The Easy airplanes are “Falcons for dummies.” Once you get into it, it’s really simple.