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Ivana Humpalot
12-14-2017, 10:22 AM
With Delta buying 100 Airbus, does anyone not believe they have SW in their sights? Quite honestly, I think unless SW has a massive expansion or merger, it's open season on our route system.


ZapBrannigan
12-14-2017, 10:35 AM
With Delta buying 100 Airbus, does anyone not believe they have SW in their sights? Quite honestly, I think unless SW has a massive expansion or merger, it's open season on our route system.


One thing I’ve learned is that you can’t single handedly save the airline. Do the best job that you can. Hope the executives are doing the same. Make sure that you have a six month furlough fund easily accessible and never live paycheck to paycheck.

What will be, will be.


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Ivana Humpalot
12-14-2017, 10:48 AM
Southwest Airlines Co. (https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/LUV:US) will consider using cash from a federal tax overhaul to buy new aircraft for expanding or refreshing its fleet.“It puts us in a position to think about growing faster,” Chief Executive Officer Gary Kelly said before addressing an aviation-industry group in New York on Thursday. Legislation being hammered out in Congress could result in “hundreds of millions of dollars” for Southwest through a lower corporate tax rate.
“Even if we decided we don’t want to grow faster, it gives us an opportunity to begin to modernize our fleet,” he said.

The Dallas-based airline “absolutely” would consider placing an order for more of Boeing Co.’s 737 Max (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-29/southwest-sends-oldest-jets-to-graveyard-as-new-737-joins-fleet) aircraft, he said. Kelly declined to discuss the size of a potential order. Southwest has said that it would end this year with 707 planes.


WHACKMASTER
12-14-2017, 12:16 PM
Oh brother. I think you’re being a little dramatic, no? First of all, how many of those new Airbus are going to be used to replace the many old -88s, A320s and B757s?

Relax....

e6bpilot
12-14-2017, 12:46 PM
Oh brother. I think you’re being a little dramatic, no? First of all, how many of those new Airbus are going to be used to replace the many old -88s, A320s and B757s?



Relax....



Whack and I never agree, but on this we agree. Those 320s are replacements for deltas aging fleet. Nothing to see here.

Salukidawg
12-14-2017, 01:30 PM
I agree with Whack as well. These are for 100 A321neo’s which are supposed to be 1 for 1 757 replacements. (Yes, I know the A321neo isn’t a true 757 replacement.):rolleyes:

Bwipilot
12-14-2017, 03:24 PM
(Yes, I know the A321neo isn’t a true 757 replacement.):rolleyes:

Which is a good thing :p

ANGFlight81
12-14-2017, 04:08 PM
Oh brother. I think you’re being a little dramatic, no? First of all, how many of those new Airbus are going to be used to replace the many old -88s, A320s and B757s?

Relax....


Yup. Read the article, CEO says these aircraft are replacement.

ZapBrannigan
12-14-2017, 04:23 PM
Yup. Read the article, CEO says these aircraft are replacement.


Always be cautious of fleet replacements. They result in what is known as a “training float”. It starts by hiring a bunch of pilots to staff the right seat. Then, the company introduces type B and opens a bid for it. Captains move over to the type creating vacancies back on type A. FOs bid those vacancies. Newhires fill the vacancies left by those FOs. Over time, type A begins to be parked and the transition of crews to type B is concluded. Now the airline is several hundred or thousand pilots fat.

This had been one of the drivers of the “hire till you furlough, furlough till you hire” pattern over the last few decades.


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hoover
12-14-2017, 06:54 PM
Yes but there is no way they would discontinue the 737. So the old fleet wouldn't go away if sw got a different type. Which they will. I bet a beer on it.

ROFF
12-14-2017, 07:01 PM
Southwest has said that it would end this year with 707 planes.

This may be a hint as to which!!!

No ETOPS required.

WHACKMASTER
12-14-2017, 08:59 PM
Yes but there is no way they would discontinue the 737. So the old fleet wouldn't go away if sw got a different type. Which they will. I bet a beer on it.

I’d bet a bottle of high end liquor that we will be the launch customer or at least one of the first customers for the B797. That airplane has our name written all over it considering our anticipated route structure in the middle of the next decade.

ANGFlight81
12-15-2017, 04:55 AM
I’d bet a bottle of high end liquor that we will be the launch customer or at least one of the first customers for the B797. That airplane has our name written all over it considering our anticipated route structure in the middle of the next decade.

Agree, and will second this. Everything this airline is doing right now is positioning itself for the above mentioned.

RJSAviator76
12-15-2017, 07:26 AM
I’d bet a bottle of high end liquor that we will be the launch customer or at least one of the first customers for the B797. That airplane has our name written all over it considering our anticipated route structure in the middle of the next decade.

It's gonna have to be the same type rating... kinda like 757/767, except the roller shades will be taken off, the printers will be installed in only a few select aircraft. The overhead will have to remain the same as the NG/MAX (i.e. like the -300), and the cabin temperature control will have to still remain firmly under cockpit's control with no possibility to pass it to the cabin.

Then once we take possession of this bird, we'll do a DL course for the differences which will tell us we're still gonna be setting speed before selecting VNAV at 3000 AGL, setting zeros, etc. And upon completion of the said DL, our base coordinators will have our new ATP's with B-797 added to it ready to be picked up before our next flight.

Easy-peasy! :D

ZapBrannigan
12-15-2017, 07:40 AM
It's gonna have to be the same type rating... kinda like 757/767, except the roller shades will be taken off, the printers will be installed in only a few select aircraft. The overhead will have to remain the same as the NG/MAX (i.e. like the -300), and the cabin temperature control will have to still remain firmly under cockpit's control with no possibility to pass it to the cabin.

Then once we take possession of this bird, we'll do a DL course for the differences which will tell us we're still gonna be setting speed before selecting VNAV at 3000 AGL, setting zeros, etc. And upon completion of the said DL, our base coordinators will have our new ATP's with B-797 added to it ready to be picked up before our next flight.

Easy-peasy! :D



I don’t care you who are. That’s funny right there!


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WHACKMASTER
12-15-2017, 08:58 AM
It sure is......in a sad, sad way.

WHACKMASTER
12-15-2017, 10:19 AM
It's gonna have to be the same type rating... kinda like 757/767, except the roller shades will be taken off, the printers will be installed in only a few select aircraft. The overhead will have to remain the same as the NG/MAX (i.e. like the -300), and the cabin temperature control will have to still remain firmly under cockpit's control with no possibility to pass it to the cabin.

Then once we take possession of this bird, we'll do a DL course for the differences which will tell us we're still gonna be setting speed before selecting VNAV at 3000 AGL, setting zeros, etc. And upon completion of the said DL, our base coordinators will have our new ATP's with B-797 added to it ready to be picked up before our next flight.

Easy-peasy! :D

You forgot to mention that the AUTO position on the start SWXs will need to be changed to OFF.

ZapBrannigan
12-15-2017, 11:30 AM
and one windshield wiper control will need to be removed. And we will need to corner the market on tiny bungee cords to hold the cockpit door open by attaching it to the lavatory door.


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Ivana Humpalot
12-15-2017, 11:34 AM
Our competition



Alaska Airlines has launched a new nonstop service connecting California's Bay Area with Hawaii's Big Island.
The airline's new daily service between San Francisco International Airport and Kailua-Kona International Airport started on Thursday.
The SeaTac-based carrier said the new route is part of the largest network expansion in its 85-year history and solidifies Alaska as the leading airline of nonstop flights from the West Coast to Hawaii.

ANGFlight81
12-15-2017, 11:54 AM
Our competition



Alaska Airlines has launched a new nonstop service connecting California's Bay Area with Hawaii's Big Island.
The airline's new daily service between San Francisco International Airport and Kailua-Kona International Airport started on Thursday.
The SeaTac-based carrier said the new route is part of the largest network expansion in its 85-year history and solidifies Alaska as the leading airline of nonstop flights from the West Coast to Hawaii.


Well I guess Delta sent them out of Seattle with their tail between their legs.

Not saying Alaska isn’t a threat but I think there is more to Hawaii than what was announced.

sailingfun
12-15-2017, 01:08 PM
I agree with Whack as well. These are for 100 A321neo’s which are supposed to be 1 for 1 757 replacements. (Yes, I know the A321neo isn’t a true 757 replacement.):rolleyes:

They are not 757 replacements. They are MD88, A320 and MD90 replacements. Some may be 757 replacements later in the delivery cycle.

hoover
12-16-2017, 07:08 AM
I’d bet a bottle of high end liquor that we will be the launch customer or at least one of the first customers for the B797. That airplane has our name written all over it considering our anticipated route structure in the middle of the next decade.

I'll take that bet IF I upgrade before then so I can afford said bottle.

Aero1900
12-16-2017, 07:48 AM
You are worried about delta buying 100 Airbus to replace their old fleet, and you aren't worried about frontier buying 200 Airbus to grow their fleet?

You guys really think Southwest will be the launch customer for the next Boeing model? I might take that bet. I think it's too high risk and too expensive to integrate. The 737Max10 looks right up your alley. And then after that, the 737Max10LRGT500XXL might work nicely.

In all seriousness, I see no need for you to be concerned. The loyalty of your customers is priceless

CA1900
12-16-2017, 05:27 PM
The 737Max10 looks right up your alley. And then after that, the 737Max10LRGT500XXL might work nicely.

If they keep it up, Boeing is going to need to replace the tail skid with a tail wheel...

SlipKid
12-17-2017, 08:59 AM
I'll take that bet IF I upgrade before then so I can afford said bottle.


Hey, you can "average" 150 tfp per month and afford any bottle of high end stuff like a Capt.

It's really easy.... All you have to do is give away all of your straight paying trips, and work a "few" extra days at premium, every month. :D You'd make more than a captain commuting to reserve, and only have to work a few days more than he does, counting his commute days, of course. :eek:

flyguy81
12-17-2017, 09:34 AM
Hey, you can "average" 150 tfp per month and afford any bottle of high end stuff like a Capt.

It's really easy.... All you have to do is give away all of your straight paying trips, and work a "few" extra days at premium, every month. :D You'd make more than a captain commuting to reserve, and only have to work a few days more than he does, counting his commute days, of course. :eek:

I’d rather just be a cap’n on rsv. 😂

Ivana Humpalot
12-17-2017, 10:16 AM
Boeing can extend the length of the 737MAX by employing an adjustable length gear. For takeoff, the gear strut would increase in length to prevent a tail strike on rotation. Upon gear retraction, the gear would shorten to a length where it can be stowed in the normal gear wells. After landing, the gear struts would shorten so the jetway can be used just like a normal 737.

Aircraft landing gear with integrated extension, retraction, and leveling feature
US 7942366 B2
Abstract
Electrically controlled and/or actuated landing gear mechanisms are presented that allow for adjustment of aircraft attitude on the ground as well as for retraction and extension of the landing gear in a single unit. Most preferably, the electric actuator is positioned within the diameter of the strut to thereby form a compact and load bearing structure.

WHACKMASTER
12-17-2017, 11:45 AM
Boeing can extend the length of the 737MAX by employing an adjustable length gear. For takeoff, the gear strut would increase in length to prevent a tail strike on rotation. Upon gear retraction, the gear would shorten to a length where it can be stowed in the normal gear wells. After landing, the gear struts would shorten so the jetway can be used just like a normal 737.

Aircraft landing gear with integrated extension, retraction, and leveling feature
US 7942366 B2
Abstract
Electrically controlled and/or actuated landing gear mechanisms are presented that allow for adjustment of aircraft attitude on the ground as well as for retraction and extension of the landing gear in a single unit. Most preferably, the electric actuator is positioned within the diameter of the strut to thereby form a compact and load bearing structure.

Oh god. Please stop the insanity already.

Peacock
12-17-2017, 12:52 PM
I thought they were already doing that with the MAX10

e6bpilot
12-17-2017, 06:20 PM
I thought they were already doing that with the MAX10



Pretty sure they are. SWA hasn’t bought any...yet.

PowerShift
12-17-2017, 07:19 PM
Oh god. Please stop the insanity already.

Like this ?

https://youtu.be/CHrqW5h38u0

Fred Flintstone
12-17-2017, 07:24 PM
Why would you need to lower the Max 10 landing gear to fit a jetway? In case you haven't noticed the jetways have an up/down feature. I've pulled into a gate after a 777 pushed back, had to wait for it to be lowered, but it was able to dock to my A320 just fine. It might take a few more seconds to get down to your level though. :)



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