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v1valarob
12-28-2017, 06:04 AM
Preface: CommutAir is currently set to park all remaining Dash’s during the first week of January. We have lots of guys with a range of seniority that are transitioning to the 145. As those guys start to trickle out of training we’ll get a clearer picture of what seniority can hold.

Information I'm trying to provide to help someone in the decision-making process:

• The current state of what seniority will hold at CommutAir.
• The most up to date info that we are given by the company regarding the CPP.
• How many aircraft are officially listed on our D085.
• How many pilots are on the official seniority list.

All of this information is taken from company information (bid packets, schedule awards, official seniority lists, official statements given by the company regarding the CPP.)

Junior Captain:
EWR – 10/3/16
IAD – 9/6/16

Junior Line Holder:
EWR – 7/31/2017
IAD – 1/3/2017

CPP – We are not given names, or a list from the company regarding whose in line for the CPP. The company only puts out a weekly activity report that will have a small blurb on how many are leaving in a given month. Word of mouth is the only way to find out which pilots have actually gone. Word of mouth information will not be included in this.


December 2017: 6
January 2018: 3


Pilots listed on the seniority list as of December 1st, 2017: 291

Current list of E145 aircraft on our D085:

1 N11176
2 N11181
3 N11187
4 N11191
5 N11193
6 N11194
7 N11199
8 N12157
9 N12160
10 N13161
11 N13202
12 N14143
13 N14162
14 N14171
15 N14177
16 N14179
17 N14186
18 N14198
19 N14204
20 N16147
21 N16183
22 N21154
23 N33182


I'm only looking to post and update with information provided by the company, not word of mouth information. Every month as schedules are awarded, seniority lists updated, CPP information updated, and aircraft added, Ill update the post to reflect that information.


JediCheese
01-01-2018, 12:12 PM
Seniority List as of Jan 1st shows *drumroll please*: 284!

FmrPropCapt
01-01-2018, 03:54 PM
Preface: CommutAir is currently set to park all remaining Dash’s during the first week of January. We have lots of guys with a range of seniority that are transitioning to the 145. As those guys start to trickle out of training we’ll get a clearer picture of what seniority can hold.

Information I'm trying to provide to help someone in the decision-making process:

• The current state of what seniority will hold at CommutAir.
• The most up to date info that we are given by the company regarding the CPP.
• How many aircraft are officially listed on our D085.
• How many pilots are on the official seniority list.

All of this information is taken from company information (bid packets, schedule awards, official seniority lists, official statements given by the company regarding the CPP.)

Junior Captain:
EWR – 10/3/16
IAD – 9/6/16

Junior Line Holder:
EWR – 7/31/2017
IAD – 1/3/2017

CPP – We are not given names, or a list from the company regarding whose in line for the CPP. The company only puts out a weekly activity report that will have a small blurb on how many are leaving in a given month. Word of mouth is the only way to find out which pilots have actually gone. Word of mouth information will not be included in this.


December 2017: 6
January 2018: 3


Pilots listed on the seniority list as of December 1st, 2017: 291

Current list of E145 aircraft on our D085:

1 N11176
2 N11181
3 N11187
4 N11191
5 N11193
6 N11194
7 N11199
8 N12157
9 N12160
10 N13161
11 N13202
12 N14143
13 N14162
14 N14171
15 N14177
16 N14179
17 N14186
18 N14198
19 N14204
20 N16147
21 N16183
22 N21154
23 N33182


I'm only looking to post and update with information provided by the company, not word of mouth information. Every month as schedules are awarded, seniority lists updated, CPP information updated, and aircraft added, Ill update the post to reflect that information.

Maybe you guys should pay for ads...

Hope they are paying you mgmt pay credit.


JediCheese
01-01-2018, 09:12 PM
Maybe you guys should pay for ads...

Hope they are paying you mgmt pay credit.
Just stop.

I appreciate a post with actual information. There's way too many rumors going around the company and some of the crazy ones are posted here.

hslightnin
01-01-2018, 11:30 PM
Seniority List as of Jan 1st shows *drumroll please*: 284!

The good news is, this time was it mostly from the top. They managed to add 10? In December.

FmrPropCapt
01-02-2018, 08:03 AM
Just stop.

I appreciate a post with actual information. There's way too many rumors going around the company and some of the crazy ones are posted here.

People hate it when their airline is cast in a bad light. I get it but what is the bad info on here? Pilots not liking it? Crappy schedules? Those are opinions. I have friends there. I've seen their schedules and the way they're treated. I've heard the voicemails from scheduling. Sorry man. Most regionals suck and that just is what it is.

JediCheese
01-02-2018, 11:06 AM
People hate it when their airline is cast in a bad light. I get it but what is the bad info on here? Pilots not liking it? Crappy schedules? Those are opinions. I have friends there. I've seen their schedules and the way they're treated. I've heard the voicemails from scheduling. Sorry man. Most regionals suck and that just is what it is.
Why did you hate on v1valarob? His post was 100% factual. If you have extra facts you would like to add that put the company in a negative light, I feel it would be allowable.

We had 6 new hires in Dec (unless you are counting the Nov 30th class with 4).

FmrPropCapt
01-02-2018, 01:39 PM
Why did you hate on v1valarob? His post was 100% factual. If you have extra facts you would like to add that put the company in a negative light, I feel it would be allowable.

We had 6 new hires in Dec (unless you are counting the Nov 30th class with 4).

If it was perceived as hate, it wasn't meant to be. It seems like an unsolicited ad for the airline. I'm just not sure what bad infotmarion that person is trying to put out. Usually those are put up by recruiting or mgmt. If he or she is one or the other please let them tell us. I think the apc profile says it all. So whats the point. Life over there is pretty bad from everyone I've spoken with. So please just tell me what inaccurate info is on the boards?

v1valarob
01-02-2018, 01:44 PM
If it was perceived as hate, it wasn't meant to be. It seems like an unsolicited ad for the airline. I'm just not sure what bad infotmarion that person is trying to put out. Usually those are put up by recruiting or mgmt. If he or she is one or the other please let them tell us. I think the apc profile says it all. So whats the point. Life over there is pretty bad from everyone I've spoken with. So please just tell me what inaccurate info is on the boards?

Not MGT at all. Personally I was ****ed off when I showed up on property and I found out that it was going to take much longer than I had planned to hold my base of choice. It probably got lost in the all the trolling on the only active C5 thread.

The Republic forums have a similar thread, and I figured it would be good for us as well.

If anything the information above is not good for the company given the fact that we are currently at over 12 months for time to upgrade. Im fairly optimistic though that the numbers will become more positive here over the next few months, especially the way the CPP is going.

FmrPropCapt
01-02-2018, 01:56 PM
Not MGT at all. Personally I was ****ed off when I showed up on property and I found out that it was going to take much longer than I had planned to hold my base of choice. It probably got lost in the all the trolling on the only active C5 thread.

The Republic forums have a similar thread, and I figured it would be good for us as well.

If anything the information above is not good for the company given the fact that we are currently at over 12 months for time to upgrade. Im fairly optimistic though that the numbers will become more positive here over the next few months, especially the way the CPP is going.

I'll send you a thought out pm. Not personal. If you would like to post it after a discussion I'd be cool with it. Will send tonight

turboprop87
01-02-2018, 02:53 PM
Life over there is pretty bad from everyone I've spoken with. So please just tell me what inaccurate info is on the boards?

I've had a relatively good time at C5.

Now you have to say "mostly everyone".

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FmrPropCapt
01-02-2018, 03:16 PM
I've had a relatively good time at C5.

Now you have to say "mostly everyone".

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For at least 1 person, probably 15. Things are mostly OK. And I'm GLAD. It's very difficult to have an OK regional experience.

JediCheese
01-03-2018, 01:28 AM
I'm reasonably happy with my time here.

It all depends on what you are looking out of this company. If your goal is to get 1000 hrs SIC, then upgrade and get 1000 TPIC as soon as possible, this place isn't halfway bad. I started a year after a bunch of other pilots I know, and I'll upgrade about the same time as them.

If you want QoL or a schedule that is family friendly, look elsewhere. If you don't want to get constantly jerked around by scheduling or aren't willing to just consider your days working as 'reserve lite', this isn't the place for you.

Personally, I'm going to hit 1000hrs SIC in 14 months from IOE and 20 months from start (got caught up in the sim backlog late last year/early this year). I know of very few FOs that can say that they built time that fast (and I bid min credit, and picked up at 200-300%. I've never picked up extra time at straight pay here to build time unlike many of my friends).

FmrPropCapt
01-03-2018, 02:26 AM
Bragging about how fast you gained sic 121 time at a mediocre 121 is like bragging about something else similarly embarrassing. Come on. If you went to lakes you'd be a capt. Does that make it ok?

FmrPropCapt
01-03-2018, 02:32 AM
I've had a relatively good time at C5.

Now you have to say "mostly everyone".

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Defend them as an operation. Annnnnd go.

JediCheese
01-04-2018, 01:59 AM
Bragging about how fast you gained sic 121 time at a mediocre 121 is like bragging about something else similarly embarrassing. Come on. If you went to lakes you'd be a capt. Does that make it ok?
I know friends that got their 121 CA time at Lakes/Silver and moved on. They said it was the best thing they did and moved their career forward by years.

I don't talk to the coworker that got on with XJT, but I think he might be upgrading sometime now. I would be at American today if I got the job with PSA, the bottom feeder of the regionals then...

I traded pay/hours/experience for QoL and it cost me. Never again. If you're not on a major's seniority list, it's time to hustle.

FmrPropCapt
01-04-2018, 10:02 AM
I know friends that got their 121 CA time at Lakes/Silver and moved on. They said it was the best thing they did and moved their career forward by years.

I don't talk to the coworker that got on with XJT, but I think he might be upgrading sometime now. I would be at American today if I got the job with PSA, the bottom feeder of the regionals then...

I traded pay/hours/experience for QoL and it cost me. Never again. If you're not on a major's seniority list, it's time to hustle.

I guess you’d better take some dance lessons... I’m all set. I was being a d!ck and I apologize. No need for that. But come on man, C5?! Bail before you get hosed post merger. Hosed.

v1valarob
01-23-2018, 02:22 PM
As of 1/23/2018

Junior First Officer:
EWR - New Hire
IAD - 6/12/17

Junior Captain:
EWR – 10/3/16
IAD – 9/6/16

Junior FO Line Holder:
EWR – 7/31/2017
IAD – 2/13/2017

CPP:
December 2017: 6
January 2018: 3

Pilots listed on the seniority list as of January 1st, 2018: 284

Current list of E145 aircraft on our D085:

1 N11176
2 N11181
3 N11187
4 N11191
5 N11193
6 N11194
7 N11199
8 N12157
9 N12160
10 N13161
11 N13202
12 N14143
13 N14162
14 N14171
15 N14177
16 N14179
17 N14186
18 N14198
19 N14204
20 N16147
21 N16183
22 N21154
23 N33182

Notes: Company announced 6 upgrades for March, as well as a shuffling of bases for the March bid.

Thunder Pig
01-23-2018, 04:03 PM
As of 1/23/2018

Junior First Officer:
EWR - New Hire
IAD - 6/12/17

Junior Captain:
EWR – 10/3/16
IAD – 9/6/16

Junior FO Line Holder:
EWR – 7/31/2017
IAD – 2/13/2017

CPP:
December 2017: 6
January 2018: 3

Pilots listed on the seniority list as of January 1st, 2018: 284

Current list of E145 aircraft on our D085:

1 N11176
2 N11181
3 N11187
4 N11191
5 N11193
6 N11194
7 N11199
8 N12157
9 N12160
10 N13161
11 N13202
12 N14143
13 N14162
14 N14171
15 N14177
16 N14179
17 N14186
18 N14198
19 N14204
20 N16147
21 N16183
22 N21154
23 N33182

Notes: Company announced 6 upgrades for March, as well as a shuffling of bases for the March bid.

Thanks for the update. What do you mean by shuffling of bases?

N6279P
01-23-2018, 04:20 PM
As of 1/23/2018

Junior First Officer:
EWR - New Hire
IAD - 6/12/17

Junior Captain:
EWR – 10/3/16
IAD – 9/6/16

Junior FO Line Holder:
EWR – 7/31/2017
IAD – 2/13/2017

CPP:
December 2017: 6
January 2018: 3

Pilots listed on the seniority list as of January 1st, 2018: 284

Current list of E145 aircraft on our D085:

1 N11176
2 N11181
3 N11187
4 N11191
5 N11193
6 N11194
7 N11199
8 N12157
9 N12160
10 N13161
11 N13202
12 N14143
13 N14162
14 N14171
15 N14177
16 N14179
17 N14186
18 N14198
19 N14204
20 N16147
21 N16183
22 N21154
23 N33182

Notes: Company announced 6 upgrades for March, as well as a shuffling of bases for the March bid.

Same aircraft list which was posted a month ago. Where are all the deliveries?

v1valarob
01-23-2018, 06:49 PM
Thanks for the update. What do you mean by shuffling of bases?

Company message went out to make sure we have domicile requests updated as of January 18. With the 6 upgrades, there will be movement for people that want to go from EWR to IAD.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-23-2018, 09:06 PM
LEAK

Hogan test pass rate for CPP is now 89%. United requesting more ppl to make it to the interview.
Management will be requesting early negotiations with union soon. Remarks directly from Subo. "We not sparing any cash, we are in dire need of FOs and United is aware and fully on board".

Management looking into which United base would be the best one for them to add. United gave them the choice. IAH might be in grasp by Q3.

No merger has been discussed. EFBs are already on order, instructors first. ACARS W&B rollout by end of March along with other FMS capable stuff like CPDLC. Going paperless by Q4 is in talks. IAD to grow with flights by 60% due to company investments at IAD (big training centers added, etc) - United listened. United is now at 49% ownership.

How do I know all this? Lets jus say im not a part of the pilot group, im on the other side. I'll give more updates as I hear more.

PosRateGearUp
01-24-2018, 08:04 AM
Same aircraft list which was posted a month ago. Where are all the deliveries?

Recently repo'd from hangar, they told me no deliveries until April so they can finish some "heavy checks"? N16147 is being used for parts right now as they wait for new landing gear (tbo).

PosRateGearUp
01-24-2018, 08:05 AM
LEAK

How do I know all this? Lets jus say im not a part of the pilot group, im on the other side. I'll give more updates as I hear more.

Recruiting?

MGMTiswatchingU
01-24-2018, 08:10 AM
Recruiting?

Can't disclose that.

PotatoChip
01-24-2018, 08:17 AM
LEAK

Hogan test pass rate for CPP is now 89%. United requesting more ppl to make it to the interview.
Management will be requesting early negotiations with union soon. Remarks directly from Subo. "We not sparing any cash, we are in dire need of FOs and United is aware and fully on board".

Management looking into which United base would be the best one for them to add. United gave them the choice. IAH might be in grasp by Q3.

No merger has been discussed. EFBs are already on order, instructors first. ACARS W&B rollout by end of March along with other FMS capable stuff like CPDLC. Going paperless by Q4 is in talks. IAD to grow with flights by 60% due to company investments at IAD (big training centers added, etc) - United listened. United is now at 49% ownership.

How do I know all this? Lets jus say im not a part of the pilot group, im on the other side. I'll give more updates as I hear more.

Lol. So C5 Hogan pass rates are far above that of other off the street rates?
And CPDLC? Where exactly will that be used in the continental US? Do you understand what it is?

I wouldn’t hold my breath on the rest. Simply, if they want FOs, stop treating pilots so poorly, then they won’t all leave.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-24-2018, 08:30 AM
Lol. So C5 Hogan pass rates are far above that of other off the street rates?
And CPDLC? Where exactly will that be used in the continental US? Do you understand what it is?

I wouldn’t hold my breath on the rest. Simply, if they want FOs, stop treating pilots so poorly, then they won’t all leave.

Like I said, Im not a pilot. So watever u guys call that thing. And yes, the hogan is far above streets, United will be giving preference to CommutAir from here on out. Take it for wat its worth. Im only the messenger

PhantomHawk
01-24-2018, 08:38 AM
And you expect these guys to assume you are credible with a username like “management is watching you”? That’s an interesting strategy.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-24-2018, 08:38 AM
Lol. So C5 Hogan pass rates are far above that of other off the street rates?
And CPDLC? Where exactly will that be used in the continental US? Do you understand what it is?

I wouldn’t hold my breath on the rest. Simply, if they want FOs, stop treating pilots so poorly, then they won’t all leave.


Oh and go check ur company email now (WAR report), u'll see one of what I listed if u don't believe me.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-24-2018, 09:20 AM
And you expect these guys to assume you are credible with a username like “management is watching you”? That’s an interesting strategy.

Im not here to look credible, just to give leaks. I'll drop more stuff as I hear more, jus take it for wat its worth. Oh and there is a chance the Captain positions posted for march MIGHT be rescinded. I hope it dont cuz that would give more damage to the company reputation.

c402fr8er
01-24-2018, 09:29 AM
Im not here to look credible, just to give leaks. I'll drop more stuff as I hear more, jus take it for wat its worth. Oh and there is a chance the Captain positions posted for march MIGHT be rescinded. I hope it dont cuz that would give more damage to the company reputation.

That would be crippling for retention and recruiting. We have FO's barely sticking around right now, chomping at the bit for the last 5 months to upgrade, to rescind the first vacancy since September would send even more of them out the door.

I really hope it doesn't come to that. We could kiss any possible growth goodbye if that happens again; we'd barely be able to hire for attrition after that.

PotatoChip
01-24-2018, 01:07 PM
Just so people are clear, we have a user named “MGMTiswatchingU” saying that a)United is going to give preference to CommutAir from here on out and b) might rescind the CA vacancy. And C5 can’t staff FOs to fly the airplanes they already have....

Yeah, That all adds up.

turboprop87
01-24-2018, 03:18 PM
Anyway.

7 CPP guys for February.

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jacburn
01-24-2018, 03:34 PM
Just so people are clear, we have a user named “MGMTiswatchingU” saying that a)United is going to give preference to CommutAir from here on out and b) might rescind the CA vacancy. And C5 can’t staff FOs to fly the airplanes they already have....

Yeah, That all adds up.

I thought that you left C5? Just can't get away?

jacburn
01-24-2018, 03:36 PM
Oh and go check ur company email now (WAR report), u'll see one of what I listed if u don't believe me.

He no longer works for us.

PotatoChip
01-24-2018, 04:56 PM
I thought that you left C5? Just can't get away?

WE.... as in those of us reading the thread.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-24-2018, 05:06 PM
WE.... as in those of us reading the thread.

Ok so u not with C5 anymore. So u cant check our company email, sooo u really dont knw wat is going on here other than hearsay and wat u saw wen u WERE here.

Where do you fly now though? U moved vertically?

PotatoChip
01-24-2018, 05:10 PM
Ok so u not with C5 anymore. So u cant check our company email, sooo u really dont knw wat is going on here other than hearsay and wat u saw wen u WERE here.

Where do you fly now though?

I have multiple friends still there. And I will happily provide information to give people an accurate representation of what they are getting into. I wish someone would have done that for me. This thread needs balance.

Bottom line, this management continues to promise upgrades when you hit 1000 121 hours. That has not happened for a year and half!
Flat out lies. Why should anything else they say be any different?

Best of luck attracting and retaining FOs.

I left for a better fit for me and my family. It’s not perfect, but it is much better.

Also, are you serious with your spelling and grammar?

Paid2fly
01-24-2018, 05:12 PM
Im not here to look credible, just to give leaks. I'll drop more stuff as I hear more, jus take it for wat its worth. Oh and there is a chance the Captain positions posted for march MIGHT be rescinded. I hope it dont cuz that would give more damage to the company reputation.








You "hope it don't cuz"...


Yup, you're totally legit.







NOT!!

MGMTiswatchingU
01-24-2018, 05:35 PM
I have multiple friends still there. And I will happily provide information to give people an accurate representation of what they are getting into. I wish someone would have done that for me. This thread needs balance.

Bottom line, this management continues to promise upgrades when you hit 1000 121 hours. That has not happened for a year and half!
Flat out lies. Why should anything else they say be any different?

Best of luck attracting and retaining FOs.

I left for a better fit for me and my family. It’s not perfect, but it is much better.

Also, are you serious with your spelling and grammar?

Ok. Good for u. So the answer is no, laterally. I do agree with u though that mgmt should stop lying.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-24-2018, 05:37 PM
You "hope it don't cuz"...


Yup, you're totally legit.







NOT!!



Like I said. Not looking for credibility. Hence the username. Will share more wen I know more folks.

Saucy Dingo
01-24-2018, 06:01 PM
I do agree with u though that mgmt shud stop lieWow what a goofball. Don't drink and internet!

MGMTiswatchingU
01-24-2018, 06:06 PM
Wow what a goofball. Don't drink and internet!

Im not here to pretty shyt up, just telling wat was talked about.

the apprentice
01-25-2018, 06:11 AM
The reality is that this place is not going to change and it is not going to get any better anytime soon. lack of Electronic weight and balance and iPads are not the fundamental problem and will not be the solution. What you are really faced with is a management team that has no experience at the helm of an organization nor a proven track record in doubling an organization in size and this has already been proven over the past year or so. Management continues to assign individuals to positions that they really do not belong in, this can be seen by the most recent recruiting advertisement that went out via company email to be retracted several minutes later.

No one at this company has any objectives to be held accountable to and management does not have a 1, 3, 5, and 10 year plan in place. These are simple things that you learn in business school and it does not matter if you are a finance, accounting, HR, or marketing major they are basic business principles that are fundamentally broken at CommutAir.

On the positive side this company is the perfect size and the timing is excellent for an industry outsider who is up and coming to take the helm do a complete top to bottom overhaul of personnel, infrastructure, and asset management. So many low hanging fruit can be had to start making a difference over the next 30, 60, and 90 days that will allow all around positive changes. In less than a year time frame this could be a completely different organization headed in the a positive growth direction and in less than two years they could position themselves to be in the acquisition rather than in being acquired.

By competing against other regionals and comparing or emulating yourselves to them you will continue to loose focus on your growth. I challenge management to think outside the box, break the rules, be a leader, be creative and do not settle for the norm or for the industry standard. This is how great companies come about.

MasterOfPuppets
01-25-2018, 07:15 AM
And CPDLC? Where exactly will that be used in the continental US? Do you understand what it is?

I don't know how expensive it is to install CPDLC but it is usable in Canada if you guys fly there. It is also a way to pick up your clearance in the United States, thats how UA does it on CPDLC equipped aircraft.

I would assume it is cost prohibitive to add CPDLC just to get a clearance.

dead meat
01-25-2018, 09:31 AM
I think MGMT is talking about PDC. Either way, it would be better than competing with Mesa to get a clearance over the radio in IAD.

PosRateGearUp
01-25-2018, 09:51 AM
I think MGMT is talking about PDC. Either way, it would be better than competing with Mesa to get a clearance over the radio in IAD.

Clearance on request, number 9...

Cirrusly
01-25-2018, 01:40 PM
you know its bad when a crew scheduler makes up an APC username - starts leaking rumors - to stop the bleeding around here. (face palm)

turboprop87
01-25-2018, 05:01 PM
you know its bad when a crew scheduler makes up an APC username - starts leaking rumors - to stop the bleeding around here. (face palm)I think it's satire. (right? right?!)

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MGMTiswatchingU
01-25-2018, 08:34 PM
You guys realize how much people saying they passed the Hogan?, keep thinking I am just pure BS.

So far, MGMT sent an email talking about electronic W&B and soo far several people has passed the Hogan - 2 things that I had mention in the LEAK before they happened. Keep thinking I was BSing. Im only the messenger, u guys can decide on credibility. I dont care either way

Bgood
01-25-2018, 08:44 PM
.......
By competing against other regionals and comparing or emulating yourselves to them you will continue to loose focus on your growth. I challenge management to think outside the box, break the rules, be a leader, be creative and do not settle for the norm or for the industry standard. This is how great companies come about.


I think they are already proficient on that....CBA

Bgood
01-25-2018, 08:47 PM
I think MGMT is talking about PDC. Either way, it would be better than competing with Mesa to get a clearance over the radio in IAD.

I could not agree with u more dead meat. Sigh smh air shuttle air shuttle air faxking shuttle.

Air shuttle: can you repeat the clearance again (x3)

Everyone else waiting: shoot me now

the apprentice
01-26-2018, 04:42 AM
I think they are already proficient on that....CBA


You are absolutely correct the company is already proficient at breaking the CBA and thats exactly what they need to do break it into very small pieces, put it through a shredder, and then incinerate it because the CBA is poorly written, outdated, and not scalable. You need scalability in order to grow. If you bound yourself strictly to the CBA then you are a simple monkey pushing buttons. Again think outside the box bring some value added to the table be intuitive take ownership of your idea and then become a leader and implement it. The union and CBA concept we work under in todays environment is outdated unless you want to work 5, 7 or 10 years from now under the same condition you currently work under while the remainder of the business world is outpacing growth expectations while you are still sitting in the relative same position you have been wondering why you have not been able to advance. These CBA's needed to be shorter term they need to be scalable, they need to be flexible and most importantly they need to be negotiated to be punitive in nature because with out this the company will continue to violate the terms of the agreement as they want to meet there needs.

Bgood
01-26-2018, 05:38 AM
You are absolutely correct the company is already proficient at breaking the CBA and thats exactly what they need to do break it into very small pieces, put it through a shredder, and then incinerate it because the CBA is poorly written, outdated, and not scalable. You need scalability in order to grow. If you bound yourself strictly to the CBA then you are a simple monkey pushing buttons. Again think outside the box bring some value added to the table be intuitive take ownership of your idea and then become a leader and implement it. The union and CBA concept we work under in todays environment is outdated unless you want to work 5, 7 or 10 years from now under the same condition you currently work under while the remainder of the business world is outpacing growth expectations while you are still sitting in the relative same position you have been wondering why you have not been able to advance. These CBA's needed to be shorter term they need to be scalable, they need to be flexible and most importantly they need to be negotiated to be punitive in nature because with out this the company will continue to violate the terms of the agreement as they want to meet there needs.

As much as I agree that flexibility is good, I dont agree that the company should have any excuse to violate a signed contract. Its a contract. They want more flexibility? Come to the table sooner rather than waiting till 2020. Lets get a contract with muscle that improve QOL, language, pay, health insurance etc. and make us more attractive.

Cant use a fix-a-flat kit when you have a blowout.

the apprentice
01-26-2018, 06:40 AM
As much as I agree that flexibility is good, I dont agree that the company should have any excuse to violate a signed contract. Its a contract. They want more flexibility? Come to the table sooner rather than waiting till 2020. Lets get a contract with muscle that improve QOL, language, pay, health insurance etc. and make us more attractive.

Cant use a fix-a-flat kit when you have a blowout.

I think you might be missing my complete message all together. You have to think beyond what you are looking for. Currently we have two issues to address. The first deals under the current CBA. The CBA that was signed several year ago is already outdated and leaves no room for scalability for either the company or the pilot group. The company is playing there card. That is to knowingly break the contract as they please and deal with the consequences at a later time. Remember the CBA is not punitive in nature and all they will have to do is make you whole of such contract violation. This is called breakage. As a pilot group what is being done every time the company violates the terms of the agreement? The fact is we just curl up into the fetal position wait for our next day off and then do it all over again. If the contract violation are such a big issue then what is the union doing about it? Why are the lawyers not involved? Lets start to use the court systems to our favor after all contract law is contract law and all you need to make a contract valid is 1. an offer 2. an acceptance 3. an intention to create a legal relationship and 4. a consideration (Usually in the form of money)

Now the second thing that needs to be address is that you have to look at the business aspect. You are asking for QOL, Language, Pay, health insurance, etc etc etc. What are you bringing to the table? What do you have to offer? From the business aspect you are just an expense at the very best you could be a cost avoidance measure. The reality is that you need to generate revenue and until you are able to demonstrate that you bring revenue to the organization then you will be stuck under the current CBA which leave the avenues for interpretation and breakage open.

This is a fear based management team their professional identity is their only source of personal power, and they more than anyone else in their sphere know how fragile that power is. They don't feel whole and healthy. They don't have the self esteem to build anyone else up and make the people who work for them feel strong and capable.You can easily see how fearful people put into management positions would not only devote their lives to pleasing their superiors by becoming almost machinelike in their devotion to the structure of business the rules and punishments and obsessive measurement but also take pride and almost delight in treating their employees like dirt. The false sense of bureaucratic power conferred on them by higher level managers becomes a substitute for self esteem. Healthy people grow their muscles throughout life, but unhealthy, fearful managers get their fake self esteem by hitting the marks that other people tell them to hit.

This is part of why until the management group starts to fear the pilot group breakage will continue. Hence why I ask what do you bring to the table? what do you have to offer?

No more half measures!

Bgood
01-26-2018, 10:39 AM
I think you might be missing my complete message all together. You have to think beyond what you are looking for. Currently we have two issues to address. The first deals under the current CBA. The CBA that was signed several year ago is already outdated and leaves no room for scalability for either the company or the pilot group. The company is playing there card. That is to knowingly break the contract as they please and deal with the consequences at a later time. Remember the CBA is not punitive in nature and all they will have to do is make you whole of such contract violation. This is called breakage. As a pilot group what is being done every time the company violates the terms of the agreement? The fact is we just curl up into the fetal position wait for our next day off and then do it all over again. If the contract violation are such a big issue then what is the union doing about it? Why are the lawyers not involved? Lets start to use the court systems to our favor after all contract law is contract law and all you need to make a contract valid is 1. an offer 2. an acceptance 3. an intention to create a legal relationship and 4. a consideration (Usually in the form of money)

Agreed. If the company weighs that it's better to break the contract to achieve a bigger goal they'll do it. If the union was putting a lot more fire under their (the company) ass in the way that you mentioned, the company would think twice with decisions on breaking contract cuz now the repercussions are greater on the weighing scale. And to be honest, the lawyer on our union side seems weak.



Now the second thing that needs to be address is that you have to look at the business aspect. You are asking for QOL, Language, Pay, health insurance, etc etc etc. What are you bringing to the table? What do you have to offer? From the business aspect you are just an expense at the very best you could be a cost avoidance measure. The reality is that you need to generate revenue and until you are able to demonstrate that you bring revenue to the organization then you will be stuck under the current CBA which leave the avenues for interpretation and breakage open.

What is being brought to the table is more pilots to staff the alleged 61 jets to come. We might be an expense on a balance sheet but we are also of great asset to keep the company running. From a business and market standpoint, the market is not in the company's favor - rolling back to supply and demand. At the current market for regionals, especially C5 who can't currently staff, if the company can't get pilots to fly the jets they can't increase revenue unless they open an ice cream shop on the side of North Olmsted. The market demand already demonstrates for us that they need us to increase revenue. It's an airline, until Boeing start selling pilotless planes (and people will actually fly on them) the "I am a pilot" is enough to demonstrate to the company that pilots bring revenue. If the market was the total opposite then I would agree with your insight. I mentioned QOL, language etc. because those are some of the things that will make a better environment for incumbent pilots and in return, the company will get what they want - staffing 61 jets. No one will come to a ****ty company if they(the pilot) have choices to do better. It only makes sense. Pilot community is small, pilots talk.

Train people well enough so they can leave, treat them well enough so they don't want to. -Branson


This is a fear based management team their professional identity is their only source of personal power, and they more than anyone else in their sphere know how fragile that power is. They don't feel whole and healthy. They don't have the self esteem to build anyone else up and make the people who work for them feel strong and capable.You can easily see how fearful people put into management positions would not only devote their lives to pleasing their superiors by becoming almost machinelike in their devotion to the structure of business the rules and punishments and obsessive measurement but also take pride and almost delight in treating their employees like dirt. The false sense of bureaucratic power conferred on them by higher level managers becomes a substitute for self esteem. Healthy people grow their muscles throughout life, but unhealthy, fearful managers get their fake self esteem by hitting the marks that other people tell them to hit.

Totally agree with this. The keyword is Leadership, a word those at the top are lacking. Therefore they resort to fearmonger and deception. They want to push this family-oriented culture, yet they don't hold up their end - and I am not just talking about how they deal with crews on the line, employees at CLE is included too. The top heads hide behind curtains and let the lower heads carry out their nasty tactic, if the lower heads refuse they get replaced cuz they are "expendable". Very ****ty.

A great culture is cultivated properly when it starts from the top down.


This is part of why until the management group starts to fear the pilot group breakage will continue. Hence why I ask what do you bring to the table? what do you have to offer?

No more half measures!

I think I answered this up top. However, Yes when the management ass burns to charcoal they will start to fear the breakage.

Plugging it in the company's "formula":
Significant increase in cost of breakage = > their goal

Embarassing.

the apprentice
01-26-2018, 08:01 PM
Fundamentally we are for the most part on the same page for the exception on how the function of supply and demand works. Remove yourself from the equation and look at it from a supply and demand perspective. Now I know it hurts and the truth hurts but one way or another us as pilots we are a dispensable expense to the shareholders or in our case to the ownership group we are not revenue generators no matter how you slice it or you try to justify it, that is simply how finance and economics work. The organization has whats called a ROCI model also know as a return of capital investment model. Within this model they look at the point of diminishing returns. You pay to much to pilots you start getting to many pilots you pay to little to pilots you don't get enough pilots, It a balance game the decision makers play everything else is absorbed into that cost structure. From this point two things will happen when they start looking at pilots. If the point comes where the pilot becomes to expensive then from a financial perspective the ROCI model tells you that you should not be in business. Now you also have a minimum number of airplanes that you need to operate in order for this ROCI model to work. On the other hand if you do not have enough pilots to operate your established number of assets then the ROCI model will tell you that its not worth doing this business. If the shareholders or the ownership group does not get the returns they expect from this ROCI model they will very simply take there money where they know they can generate the returns that they expect. You went on to quote Branson in your post remember he is a great entrepreneur but he is also very good at identifying a failed venture and closing it down when his ROCI models don't work out. What does the management team do as a mitigating factor they artificially control the supply and demand. Trying to glorify oneself by saying we deserve a lot more because simply there is not enough pilot supply in todays market might be a true statement but it can also be a dangerous one. Remember you will never get what you deserve in business you only get what you negotiate for and today we are living through what we negotiated for.

tacocasa
01-26-2018, 08:11 PM
Hey guys just wondered what’s going on there? Looks like you advertise captain pay after a year but the pay scales show First year captain making more than second gear First Officer?

Also heard Whisky and expressjet are growing and getting new deals. How come you guys aren’t getting any new deals?

Also, are you getting any part of this new flying: http://newsroom.united.com/2018-01-08-United-Airlines-Announces-New-Routes-Connecting-Eight-Cities-to-Hundreds-of-Domestic-and-International-Destinations

I’m not sure iPads and electronic weight and balance stuff being posted in here really cuts it. If you aren’t growing then you are shrinking. What’s up???

Bgood
01-27-2018, 05:12 AM
Fundamentally we are for the most part on the same page for the exception on how the function of supply and demand works. Remove yourself from the equation and look at it from a supply and demand perspective. Now I know it hurts and the truth hurts but one way or another us as pilots we are a dispensable expense to the shareholders or in our case to the ownership group we are not revenue generators no matter how you slice it or you try to justify it, that is simply how finance and economics work. The organization has whats called a ROCI model also know as a return of capital investment model. Within this model they look at the point of diminishing returns. You pay to much to pilots you start getting to many pilots you pay to little to pilots you don't get enough pilots, It a balance game the decision makers play everything else is absorbed into that cost structure. From this point two things will happen when they start looking at pilots. If the point comes where the pilot becomes to expensive then from a financial perspective the ROCI model tells you that you should not be in business. Now you also have a minimum number of airplanes that you need to operate in order for this ROCI model to work. On the other hand if you do not have enough pilots to operate your established number of assets then the ROCI model will tell you that its not worth doing this business. If the shareholders or the ownership group does not get the returns they expect from this ROCI model they will very simply take there money where they know they can generate the returns that they expect. You went on to quote Branson in your post remember he is a great entrepreneur but he is also very good at identifying a failed venture and closing it down when his ROCI models don't work out. What does the management team do as a mitigating factor they artificially control the supply and demand. Trying to glorify oneself by saying we deserve a lot more because simply there is not enough pilot supply in todays market might be a true statement but it can also be a dangerous one. Remember you will never get what you deserve in business you only get what you negotiate for and today we are living through what we negotiated for.


Understandable, so from my understanding the ROCI serves as a seesaw for business. Just out of curiousity, if u should take a wild guess, what would you think ROCI is telling managment at this point?

Bgood
01-27-2018, 05:33 AM
Hey guys just wondered what’s going on there? Looks like you advertise captain pay after a year but the pay scales show First year captain making more than second gear First Officer?

Also heard Whisky and expressjet are growing and getting new deals. How come you guys aren’t getting any new deals?

Also, are you getting any part of this new flying: http://newsroom.united.com/2018-01-08-United-Airlines-Announces-New-Routes-Connecting-Eight-Cities-to-Hundreds-of-Domestic-and-International-Destinations

I’m not sure iPads and electronic weight and balance stuff being posted in here really cuts it. If you aren’t growing then you are shrinking. What’s up???

Its how they decided to advertise the pay, a little wool over the eyes. Our LOA allows to pay 2nd year FOs 2nd year Dash 8 200 Captain pay ($54.68) and only that scale. Hence company decide to advertise it the way u saw it.

A lil caveat there too, you need to upgrade within 6 months/two offers of hitting your 1000hrs SIC, else u go back to the regular FO payscale. Of course if its been 6 months and u got no offers then it wont affect u. But most likely u'll upgrade. Guess its to keep people away from jus sitting as FOs forever with a "comfy" pay.

As for deals, I haven't heard anything here other than trying to keep up with delieveries and staffing.

Of those eight cities, 7 of them start out at hubs we are not based at/hubs we dont fly to. The Newark to rapid city, south dakota seems like it will be on bigger jets not 145s. We only got Elmira, CLE, and Wilmington NC. Not sure if I missed one or two.

Im curious, myself, to see wat mgmt cooks up after dash guys transition is complete. So I'll be asking them the same question, what's up?

the apprentice
01-27-2018, 07:38 AM
Understandable, so from my understanding the ROCI serves as a seesaw for business. Just out of curiousity, if u should take a wild guess, what would you think ROCI is telling managment at this point?


I know life here sucks big time and amongst us we have very little to no confidence in the organization but take yourself out of the picture and try not to be a victim of the circumstances, this will put you in a better position to think clearly and be able to improve upon the current circumstances. ROCI models have absolutely nothing to do with seesaw for a business. They are simply ratios used in finance valuation and accounting as a measure of profitability and value creating potential after taking into account the initial capital investment. You can go to any publicly traded company and see there own version of ROCI models in the prospectus that are publish yearly. I think they might also come out in quarterly reports but not completely sure about that. Remember in the same way you want to make the most for your family be it monetary or by simply spending time with them the organization needs to make the most for there stakeholders.

To answer your question I have no idea what the financials in this organization look like due to a lot of unknown variables, thats the beauty of being the ownership group of a privately held company you have more flexibility to literally screw up which is exactly what is taking place here. I guarantee you if this was a publicly held company we would be a lot closer to the 60 aircraft goal especially being more than 12 months into this project this level of incompetence would not have been tolerated by any reasonable board of directors.

Now also keep in mind like I previously mentioned. Under todays conditions the pilot group fears management and it is not until management starts to fear the pilot group that we will start seeing vast improvements in pay, QOL, etc etc etc.

You did put a great question out and that person called MGMTiswatchingU posting the sudo leaks perhaps can give us some insight on the companies true financials.

PhantomHawk
01-27-2018, 08:48 AM
I can’t help but read “the apprentice” posts in an uptight British accent. A very eloquent, yet pleonastic writer.....

(Yet, doesn’t know how to spell “pseudo”?)

Bgood
01-27-2018, 10:14 AM
I know life here sucks big time and amongst us we have very little to no confidence in the organization but take yourself out of the picture and try not to be a victim of the circumstances, this will put you in a better position to think clearly and be able to improve upon the current circumstances. ROCI models have absolutely nothing to do with seesaw for a business. They are simply ratios used in finance valuation and accounting as a measure of profitability and value creating potential after taking into account the initial capital investment. You can go to any publicly traded company and see there own version of ROCI models in the prospectus that are publish yearly. I think they might also come out in quarterly reports but not completely sure about that. Remember in the same way you want to make the most for your family be it monetary or by simply spending time with them the organization needs to make the most for there stakeholders.

To answer your question I have no idea what the financials in this organization look like due to a lot of unknown variables, thats the beauty of being the ownership group of a privately held company you have more flexibility to literally screw up which is exactly what is taking place here. I guarantee you if this was a publicly held company we would be a lot closer to the 60 aircraft goal especially being more than 12 months into this project this level of incompetence would not have been tolerated by any reasonable board of directors.

Now also keep in mind like I previously mentioned. Under todays conditions the pilot group fears management and it is not until management starts to fear the pilot group that we will start seeing vast improvements in pay, QOL, etc etc etc.

You did put a great question out and that person called MGMTiswatchingU posting the sudo leaks perhaps can give us some insight on the companies true financials.

I am actually taking all the advantage of being short staff so I am good. I dont get tied up in all the BS. Jus do wat I got to do and go home with a good bank.

the apprentice
01-27-2018, 03:39 PM
Now I am confused! Are you good by taking advantage of the current staffing levels or as you previously mentioned in your posting you are wanting better QOL, pay and health insurance etc etc etc?

You just told the company what you are willing to settle for.

PhantomHawk, thanks for making yourself useful and for the outstanding grammar critique. Can you review this most recent post to ensure it fits all the proper grammar criteria to include spelling and punctuation.

Bgood
01-27-2018, 06:04 PM
Now I am confused! Are you good by taking advantage of the current staffing levels or as you previously mentioned in your posting you are wanting better QOL, pay and health insurance etc etc etc?

You just told the company what you are willing to settle for.

PhantomHawk, thanks for making yourself useful and for the outstanding grammar critique. Can you review this most recent post to ensure it fits all the proper grammar criteria to include spelling and punctuation.

U stated, in a previous post, that I am to try not to be a victim of the current situation. I am saying I am not, I am taking advantage of it. But wats good for me (wen I do collect those 300%) isnt necessarily wats good for the next guy, its not all about me. I am showing that I am aware of my surroundings (by stating wat needs to be improved) but still take advantage of it and not be a "victim" like you stated.

Its not settling, its making the best of a currently ****ty situation. Doesn't mean mgmt is gonna get a shyt ton of pilots coming through the door becuz of it.

PhantomHawk
01-27-2018, 06:18 PM
Use all that extra money and buy an “h” key for your keyboard.

Bgood
01-27-2018, 06:42 PM
Use all that extra money and buy an “h” key for your keyboard.

Nah I like it that way.


Her predecessor was also an FA before the long list of other jobs he performed.


But I will buy you a book on wen to use "a" or "an".

PhantomHawk
01-27-2018, 06:56 PM
But I will buy you a book on wen to use "a" or "an".

http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2012/04/using-a-or-an-with-acronyms-and-abbreviations.html

You are incorrect....unless you say “FAH” instead of “EFF-AY”, like most normal people.

PotatoChip
01-27-2018, 07:30 PM
Nah I like it that way.





But I will buy you a book on wen to use "a" or "an".

He/she was actually correct in using “an”. It is predicated on the sound of the next word or letter, not the actual letter. If you read it as “an FA”, and stated the letters (as opposed to flight attendant), the use of an is correct.

Bgood
01-27-2018, 07:59 PM
http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2012/04/using-a-or-an-with-acronyms-and-abbreviations.html

You are incorrect....unless you say “FAH” instead of “EFF-AY”, like most normal people.

I say "FAH" so I guess I'm not normal. Fine by me.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-27-2018, 09:24 PM
http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2012/04/using-a-or-an-with-acronyms-and-abbreviations.html

You are incorrect....unless you say “FAH” instead of “EFF-AY”, like most normal people.


U gOtZ a pRobLeM wiTZ How PpL tYpE on An iNfOrMAl fORuM Ms. TeAChA? LooSEN uR PanTY Plz.

aviatorpr
01-28-2018, 12:04 PM
U gOtZ a pRobLeM wiTZ How PpL tYpE on An iNfOrMAl fORuM Ms. TeAChA? LooSEN uR PanTY Plz.

Confirmation of my suspicion Vigilante Wut

checklist
01-28-2018, 01:28 PM
Any news or dates of a LOA addressing the QOL issues, or is the "We're a family airline" BS holding strong?

MGMTiswatchingU
01-28-2018, 02:13 PM
Confirmation of my suspicion Vigilante Wut

Yes that's me. You are totally correct. Good luck with it lol

MGMTiswatchingU
01-28-2018, 02:15 PM
Any news or dates of a LOA addressing the QOL issues, or is the "We're a family airline" BS holding strong?

I haven't heard anything more yet, but I will post here when I do.

Whoop
01-28-2018, 03:13 PM
I haven't heard anything more yet, but I will post here when I do.

How about any updates on any more aircraft deliveries? We've been at 23 for a long while and I don't really count that, as 147 has been out of commission for a while awaiting gear replacement.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-28-2018, 04:30 PM
How about any updates on any more aircraft deliveries? We've been at 23 for a long while and I don't really count that, as 147 has been out of commission for a while awaiting gear replacement.

We still getting 61, so far nothing has changed that number. We should get 1 to 2 more between March and April. Also, as soon as most of the DASH guys get spit outta training we will be uping the block times coming from United and use more of the airplanes we got sitting in ALB. In turn that will create more space to get more jet deliveries.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-28-2018, 06:27 PM
Guys/Gals, it has been confirmed that United's decision on partnering back with Air Wisconsin was as a result of our very poor performance. Of course most of you guys speculated this already. Just figured I'd dig in further to confirm it. At one point we were walking on eggshells with United.

Don't worry, the sky hasn't fall yet.

Cirrusly
01-29-2018, 04:49 AM
Are we still running upgrade classes?

MGMTiswatchingU
01-29-2018, 05:57 AM
Are we still running upgrade classes?

So far it hasn't changed. Hope it stays that way.

hslightnin
01-29-2018, 06:21 AM
We still getting 61, so far nothing has changed that number. We should get 1 to 2 more between March and April. Also, as soon as most of the DASH guys get spit outta training we will be uping the block times coming from United and use more of the airplanes we got sitting in ALB. In turn that will create more space to get more jet deliveries.
So the MOU has turned into a signed deal?

MGMTiswatchingU
01-29-2018, 06:57 AM
So the MOU has turned into a signed deal?

Yes it has. And if we get to staff 61 jet properly, United will give the option for 40 more. So constant growth for CommutAir if we can handle it.

v1valarob
01-29-2018, 07:18 AM
UAL Form 10-K, 2015 Annual Report, filed February 2016, for fiscal year ending Dec 31, 2015.

In 2015, United entered into a new Embraer ERJ 145 CPA with Champlain Enterprises, Inc. operating as CommutAir, pursuant to which CommutAir will operate under the United Express brand 40 used Embraer ERJ145 aircraft that are currently being operated by a different carrier operating under the United Express brand, with transfers that started in December 2015 and will continue through 2017.

UAL Form 10-K, 2016 Annual Report, filed February 2017, for fiscal year ending Dec 31, 2016.

In 2015, United entered into a new CPA with Champlain Enterprises, LLC d/b/a CommutAir (“CommutAir”), pursuant to which CommutAir will operate 40 used Embraer ERJ145 aircraft under the United Express brand that are currently being operated by a different United Express regional carrier, with transfers that are continuing through 2018. As of December 31, 2016, 28 aircraft are still pending transfer.

At the time of the 2016 annual report UAL showed C5 to be operating 10 Embraer 145s.

PotatoChip
01-29-2018, 08:08 AM
Yes it has. And if we get to staff 61 jet properly, United will give the option for 40 more. So constant growth for CommutAir if we can handle it.


Hahahaha.
100 airplanes now. Okay.
Still at 23 for last six months.

Whoop
01-29-2018, 08:34 AM
How many new hires in the latest classes?

MGMTiswatchingU
01-29-2018, 08:56 AM
Hahahaha.
100 airplanes now. Okay.
Still at 23 for last six months.

I think you are just here for confirmation to yourself that you made the right choice to leave. You made the right choice man, because your choice was based on your family and that's more than good enough.

PotatoChip
01-29-2018, 09:05 AM
I think you are just here to keep confirming to yourself that you made the right choice to leave. You made the right choice man, because your choice was based on your family and that's more than good enough.

No, I’d like others to know what kind of place they are considering. Potential new hires shouldn’t be hearing that C5 is getting 100 airframes. There is nothing to support that other than some random screen name posting on APC. I’m still waiting to see if the company can even staff the 40 they are contracted to fly.

If you are considering C5, understand upgrades are not fast, it is not once you get 1000 121 despite what recruiters tell you. There are MANY pilots still waiting over a year now for that upgrade. Staffing 40 airplanes still seems very difficult.

dead meat
01-29-2018, 09:32 AM
How many new hires in the latest classes?
New hire numbers were purposely kept low until all the transition pilots get through systems. The last transition class just started systems so expect to see bigger new hire classes. The goal is at least 30 per month, I think we will hit that number (or come very close) for Feb and Mar. The new second year pay is definitely helping attract applicants.

the apprentice
01-29-2018, 10:32 AM
Management watching us you have already failed in delivering results. The only way to prove yourself to the critics is to deliver those fully staffed 100 airplanes. Everything else is ancillary and anything short of this is simply bar talk. I personally recommend you make better use of your time and start delivering results. I honestly don’t care how many airplanes are on property today or how many people are in the training pipeline or any of the excuses/training/ retention issues you keep coming up with. All I care about is seeing these results and seeing them yesterday anything else is simply unsatisfactory.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-29-2018, 10:58 AM
Management watching us you have already failed in delivering results. The only way to prove yourself to the critics is to deliver those fully staffed 100 airplanes. Everything else is ancillary and anything short of this is simply bar talk. I personally recommend you make better use of your time and start delivering results. I honestly don’t care how many airplanes are on property today or how many people are in the training pipeline or any of the excuses/training/ retention issues you keep coming up with. All I care about is seeing these results and seeing them yesterday anything else is simply unsatisfactory.

Sorry mate, I didn't sign up for any test on APC to be considered as a failure. Anyway, I'll keep LEAKING and you sir just take it for wat it's worth, nothing until you get your results.

As I was saying. So that option for 40, IF we manage 61, will go towards the next base opening. Of course not as the same time the base opens, since we are way behind on deliveries.

Look for ramp up of new hires in the coming months. Management will be depending on extensions heavily because we want to get a lot more block hours from United. Finances not looking so good since the big sign on bonus and new LOA is costing them, and United is getting grumpy.

United looking to revamp the CPP to make it more attractive for new hires to come to CommutAir. Possibly remove the Hogan.

Cheers

the apprentice
01-29-2018, 11:08 AM
Exactly that’s why your leaks are just all talk and that’s about all you can deliver. If you had any substance to them we would. It be in the current position to start with.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-29-2018, 11:12 AM
Exactly that’s why your leaks are just all talk and that’s about all you can deliver. If you had any substance to them we would. It be in the current position to start with.

Another thing apprentice, TSA will be moving out of dulles sometime this year (maybe late this year into Q1 2019, to put a timeframe on it) and I think that's how IAD for us is gonna grow by 60%.

Anything anyone would like me to pass on to the upper heads? Curse words can't be passed on, I'll lose my job.

the apprentice
01-29-2018, 11:25 AM
Maybe and only maybe will I win the lottery later this year maybe 1st quarter of 2019. Like I said anything short of you delivering resultes is just talk and that’s by your own admission you are not up for the test.

PotatoChip
01-29-2018, 11:31 AM
Management will be depending on extensions heavily because we want to get a lot more block hours from United. Finances not looking so good since the big sign on bonus and new LOA is costing them, and United is getting grumpy.

Sounds like a fun place to Work!
Sounds exactly like late 2016 into 2017.
Even better when there are absolutely no contract provisions against extensions like at many other regionals. Scheduling can and will extend pilots every single week. Hope you’re single and don’t want a social life.
Why would anyone choose here right now? Especially if this is on the table.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-29-2018, 11:44 AM
Maybe and only maybe will I win the lottery later this year maybe 1st quarter of 2019. Like I said anything short of you delivering resultes is just talk and that’s by your own admission you are not up for the test.

Nope I am not up to any test. Just give info, that's it. And yeah you might win the lottery in that timeframe, you never know, just like the regional industry. All a lottery.

Cheers

MGMTiswatchingU
01-29-2018, 11:49 AM
Sounds like a fun place to Work!
Sounds exactly like late 2016 into 2017.
Even better when there are absolutely no contract provisions against extensions like at many other regionals. Scheduling can and will extend pilots every single week. Hope you’re single and don’t want a social life.
Why would anyone choose here right now? Especially if this is on the table.

Luckily you got out right?!?! See that's the beauty of the current contract, management can always depend on extensions. I ain't going to lie though, it gets us out of a pinch when we want to. If you complain, we throw you some cash then do it next week again. Sounds ****ty but it's the truth and the crew know it's the truth already soo....

MGMTiswatchingU
01-29-2018, 11:58 AM
Sounds like a fun place to Work!
Sounds exactly like late 2016 into 2017.
Even better when there are absolutely no contract provisions against extensions like at many other regionals. Scheduling can and will extend pilots every single week. Hope you’re single and don’t want a social life.
Why would anyone choose here right now? Especially if this is on the table.

Another thing Potatochip, that part of my information you qouted, I pulled that part out of my ass so you could jump on it like a hungry puppy lashing back at his CommutAir Master. Caught ya mate.

Didn't want to believe me with all the other stuff but now you want to ask why should people come here if this is on the table.

PotatoChip
01-29-2018, 11:58 AM
Luckily you got out right?!?! See that's the beauty of the current contract, management can always depend on extensions. I ain't going to lie though, it gets us out of a pinch when we want to. If you complain, we throw you some cash then do it next week again. Sounds ****ty but it's the truth and the crew know it's the truth already soo....

That’s the beauty if you’re management. Meanwhile, however, Republic seems to find a way to make money without allowing extensions ever. Weird, right?

Public service announcement: If you want to see your family (or meet someone to ever start a family) don’t choose an airline that DEPENDS on extensions to keep the operation going. This is one of many reasons for the C5 exodus.

PotatoChip
01-29-2018, 12:00 PM
Another thing Potatochip, that part of my information you qouted, I pulled that part out of my ass so you could jump on it like a hungry puppy lashing back at his CommutAir Master. Caught ya mate.

So now you’re admittedly a troll, and you expect people to believe your “leaks”...

MGMTiswatchingU
01-29-2018, 12:04 PM
So now you’re admittedly a troll, and you expect people to believe your “leaks”...

Two things:

1. Face up to it when you get caught on what your motive is.
2. Who said my expectation was for ppl to believe me?

Lemme repeat myself for the 100th time. I'm not here to look credible or make ppl believe anything I say. I am only here to type away what I am observing in North Olmsted. Anything more than that is just you guys/gyals speculating who I am.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-29-2018, 12:08 PM
If you take a look Mr. Lays potatochip, I put that part in a paragraph almost to itself. I hope the negotiating team is smarter than that when the time comes to neg. with company. Else we're going to get away with a lot of stuff. Already forced the union to sign LOA 4 quickly, 1 in the bag for company already.

PotatoChip
01-29-2018, 01:03 PM
If you take a look Mr. Lays potatochip, I put that part in a paragraph almost to itself. I hope the negotiating team is smarter than that when the time comes to neg. with company. Else we're going to get away with a lot of stuff. Already forced the union to sign LOA 4 quickly, 1 in the bag for company already.

You’re absolutely right. Which is why I strongly encourage potential pilots to look elsewhere for employment.

the apprentice
01-29-2018, 01:05 PM
Basically all you are feading us via these leaks is BS. You are admitting you plan on continuing to involuntary extend pilots which in turn admits you can not attract the necessary personnel to staff the aircraft you are claiming we are going to receive this equal yet another illustrious failure of huge proportions.

One thing is correct that you mentioned is that the company has the upper hand over the union. They are like jellyfish no backbones.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-29-2018, 01:12 PM
Basically all you are feading us via these leaks is BS. You are admitting you plan on continuing to involuntary extend pilots which in turn admits you can not attract the necessary personnel to staff the aircraft you are claiming we are going to receive this equal yet another illustrious failure of huge proportions.

One thing is correct that you mentioned is that the company has the upper hand over the union. They are like jellyfish no backbones.

You're right, we can't attract enough. That's the reason why I say we have the option to get 40 more IF we can staff the 61....but you guys just jumped over the BIG IF and try to decipher if I am credible or not.

Hot Potato ran off saying we are getting 100 airplanes and didn't see the big IF either.

But soon you guys will see the block hours start to go up though, March is coming.

the apprentice
01-29-2018, 01:31 PM
A lot of if’s and but’s and wishful thinking going on. If you are creadible or not is irrelevant the key factor is that your information is useless and unsubstantiated. You can not back your words up with actions and you can not deliver results.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-29-2018, 02:14 PM
A lot of if’s and but’s and wishful thinking going on. If you are creadible or not is irrelevant the key factor is that your information is useless and unsubstantiated. You can not back your words up with actions and you can not deliver results.

Ok.

Cheers

FmrPropCapt
01-29-2018, 03:05 PM
Is this guy an accurate measure of C5s current mgmt or an outlier? Either way, freaking weird doesn't begin to describe

PhantomHawk
01-29-2018, 04:44 PM
Bored recruiter at the crash pad

turboprop87
01-29-2018, 05:07 PM
This thread is the worst.

So are the people in it.




I am also now in it. I am also the worst.

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jacburn
01-29-2018, 06:59 PM
Is this guy an accurate measure of C5s current mgmt or an outlier? Either way, freaking weird doesn't begin to describe

He/She/It is throwing out some info that is partly correct already with some assumptions of what the current plan is going forward.

Only time will tell how much of the predictions and future planning from management will actually take place.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-30-2018, 05:16 AM
Bored recruiter at the crash pad

Look who came back after a couple of days? Mr. Phatman Hawk. I was getting worried cuz I needed your help proofreading my comments. A lil busy worrying about your pride and joy XJT?

MGMTiswatchingU
01-30-2018, 05:23 AM
He/She/It is throwing out some info that is partly correct already with some assumptions of what the current plan is going forward.

Only time will tell how much of the predictions and future planning from management will actually take place.

Seems like you are the only one that checks your email and confirm already some of the stuff I said.

Yet the apprentice still asking for results, like it's going to come and slap him right in the face on a bread bag.

the apprentice
01-30-2018, 06:00 AM
I don’t need for 60 airplanes to slap me on the face to know we have received them along with pilots to fly them because other wise they will not go very far beyond the Albany hanger as we have already seen. On the other hand you are all talk and that’s about it and a proven proven track record of demonstrated failures.

Phantom can you correct my spelling, punctuation, and any other gramatical improvements that might need to be made.

PhantomHawk
01-30-2018, 06:24 AM
Phantom can you correct my spelling, punctuation, and any other gramatical improvements that might need to be made.

Sure. Grammatical has 2 m’s. I only commented on your stuff because you are very wordy. At least you don’t use words like wat, wen, and cuz.....

texaspropguy
01-30-2018, 07:21 AM
Sure. Grammatical has 2 m’s. I only commented on your stuff because you are very wordy. At least you don’t use words like wat, wen, and cuz.....

It’s a loosing battle sometimes ;)

the apprentice
01-30-2018, 07:43 AM
Where is the damn spell check when you need it in order to not get bashed.

Bgood
01-30-2018, 07:57 AM
Sure. Grammatical has 2 m’s. I only commented on your stuff because you are very wordy. At least you don’t use words like wat, wen, and cuz.....

Does it ride u up the wall? cuz either way, u will see dem here again and again as long as ur here to correct them my hired grammar servant. Lol

Bgood
01-30-2018, 07:58 AM
It’s a loosing battle sometimes ;)

so phantomhawk, u ain't gonna correct this?:D

MGMTiswatchingU
01-30-2018, 08:06 AM
I don’t need for 60 airplanes to slap me on the face to know we have received them along with pilots to fly them because other wise they will not go very far beyond the Albany hanger as we have already seen. On the other hand you are all talk and that’s about it and a proven proven track record of demonstrated failures.

Phantom can you correct my spelling, punctuation, and any other gramatical improvements that might need to be made.

And I will always be all talk, until you see how mgmt bend you guys over backwards more just because you(the crew) don't learn. I also bet that you are glad to have my company here. :p

MORE LEAKS TO COME APPRENTICE

turboprop87
01-30-2018, 08:28 AM
This entire conversation has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

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texaspropguy
01-30-2018, 10:15 AM
so phantomhawk, u ain't gonna correct this?:D

Wow, and I thought my sarcasm detector was MEL’d. Didn’t have to have the line in the water long to catch this one...

Cirrusly
01-30-2018, 10:52 AM
we dont learn what? i cant figure out his guys motives...does he want this place to fail or get better? this is all very strange...its funny to watch MGMT and potatochip get into hissy fits as if any of this $hit really matters. APC IS REAL LIFE BRUH

Bgood
01-30-2018, 11:23 AM
Wow, and I thought my sarcasm detector was MEL’d. Didn’t have to have the line in the water long to catch this one...

And I thought mine was MEL'd too. Guess we have 1 thing in common. Thought the big green face would make it obvious but I guess not. My line was to catch another fish and you hoped on it.

Bgood
01-30-2018, 11:26 AM
we dont learn what? i cant figure out his guys motives...does he want this place to fail or get better? this is all very strange...its funny to watch MGMT and potatochip get into hissy fits as if any of this $hit really matters. APC IS REAL LIFE BRUH

Cirrusly careful of your words man. The phantomhawk is patrolling, he'll book you in the grammar and spelling prison cuz he got nothong better to do.

MGMTiswatchingU
01-30-2018, 11:32 AM
we dont learn what? i cant figure out his guys motives...does he want this place to fail or get better? this is all very strange...its funny to watch MGMT and potatochip get into hissy fits as if any of this $hit really matters. APC IS REAL LIFE BRUH

My motive is to give leaks, that's it. Good or bad news, I am leaking that shyt. That's all.;)

jacburn
01-30-2018, 11:53 AM
Cirrusly careful of your words man. The phantomhawk is patrolling, he'll book you in the grammar and spelling prison cuz he got nothong better to do.

You guys should really just leave him alone. He has to take it out on someone because the pipe is dead and now he has to go in other peoples sandboxs.

There was a reason why I addedd a tag line on my pipe stuff.

texaspropguy
01-30-2018, 08:14 PM
And I thought mine was MEL'd too. Guess we have 1 thing in common. Thought the big green face would make it obvious but I guess not. My line was to catch another fish and you hoped on it.

It happens...

Out West
01-31-2018, 11:00 AM
What’s the skinny on the signing bonus? As in, what’s the contract length you sign along with the money and therefore pay back if you leave within the first year?

turboprop87
01-31-2018, 12:39 PM
What’s the skinny on the signing bonus? As in, what’s the contract length you sign along with the money and therefore pay back if you leave within the first year?Two year contract. If you leave within the first year, you owe it all back. Prorated after the first year.

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aviatorpr
01-31-2018, 04:57 PM
Two year contract. If you leave within the first year, you owe it all back. Prorated after the first year.

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Unless it’s changed since last March when I joined, it’s yours free and clear after one year from your start date

turboprop87
01-31-2018, 05:09 PM
Unless it’s changed since last March when I joined, it’s yours free and clear after one year from your start dateWas that before they gave the $22k to all new hires?



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aviatorpr
01-31-2018, 08:32 PM
Was that before they gave the $22k to all new hires?

Yes...filler

MGMTiswatchingU
02-01-2018, 05:08 AM
Yes...filler

It has changed since then. More money.....longer commitment.

hslightnin
02-02-2018, 05:30 AM
Where are the iPads we were promised 18 months ago?

the apprentice
02-02-2018, 11:08 AM
In his famous novel Animal Farm George Orwell tells us “Man is the only creature that consumes without producing" In relation to aviation CommutAir management is at the helm of the only airline that consumes Jepps paper charts without producing iPads for its pilots.

MGMTiswatchingU
02-02-2018, 05:39 PM
Where are the iPads we were promised 18 months ago?

6 to 8 more months till it hit the line. Instructors first. I think by next month the instructors get it. The Ipads already arrived here in North Olmsted.

The FAA says it depends on how well we know how to use them. Of course most of us know how to use an ipad, but the few older heads need to understand as well.

the apprentice
02-02-2018, 06:29 PM
Anyone care to gues what will we get first! The iPads, the airplanes, or more pilots?

The iPads might be already in north Olmsted, but the incompetence is so big that the the software will outgrow the hardware prior to them coming online leading to another wait period to order more iPads and the cycle goes on and on and on.

MGMTiswatchingU
02-03-2018, 01:00 PM
Anyone care to gues what will we get first! The iPads, the airplanes, or more pilots?

The iPads might be already in north Olmsted, but the incompetence is so big that the the software will outgrow the hardware prior to them coming online leading to another wait period to order more iPads and the cycle goes on and on and on.

More pilots. Class size is increasing.

the apprentice
02-03-2018, 03:33 PM
You can increase the class size to what ever number you want, the question is will pilots show up? As of today the answer is classes are not full. Another question can can you retain pilots? The answer again is no. Again management is clueless.

MGMTiswatchingU
02-03-2018, 04:37 PM
You can increase the class size to what ever number you want, the question is will pilots show up? As of today the answer is classes are not full. Another question can can you retain pilots? The answer again is no. Again management is clueless.

Such anger. Asking the questions and answering them yourself, just don't ask you already know the answer. :D

the apprentice
02-03-2018, 06:51 PM
No anger I know the answer but management has not seemed to figure it out so thought I would be kind enough to lend them a hand.

MGMTiswatchingU
02-03-2018, 06:52 PM
No anger I know the answer but management has not seemed to figure it out so thought I would be kind enough to lend them a hand.

Thanks for being kind. I'll remind them of it too in a next meeting.

Boeing Aviator
02-14-2018, 07:17 AM
Hello All,

I’m a United captain trying to obtain some info on CommutAir for a friend I’m mentoring. I’ve reviewed this and the rumor thread, I didn’t find the answers I was looking for. I’d sincerely appreciate if I could get answers to the following questions?

I did see at the beginning of this thread the time to line holder FO in EWR is about six months, is that still accurate now?

Size of bases EWR vs IAD?

How many days off on reserve?

Do reserves fly most of their R days?

How many hours do reserves average a month?

What is the reserve call out time?

What is the min days off as a line holder?

How many days off can a mid level to senior FO hold? Can you maximize days off and quality of life if your a senior FO?

How many legs per day average?

Average duty day length?

Trip mix - 1 day, 2 day, 3 day 4 day etc?

Average flight leg length?

Average layover length?

What’s the training footprint?

How is the overall quality of training?

Training washout rate?

Will they work with students that have a good attitude and working hard if they have some training hiccups?

I know I asked a lot of questions and I sincerely appreciate anyone taking the time to answer some or all of my questions! I’m not looking for any drama just factual answers. I know you guys are going through a lot at CommutAir and I truly wish you guys the best.

Thank you!

c402fr8er
02-14-2018, 07:49 AM
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Hello All,

I’m a United captain trying to obtain some info on CommutAir for a friend I’m mentoring. I’ve reviewed this and the rumor thread, I didn’t find the answers I was looking for. I’d sincerely appreciate if I could get answers to the following questions?

I did see at the beginning of this thread the time to line holder FO in EWR is about six months, is that still accurate now?

This will fluctuate as the company shifts flying around and grows the bases. I've seen reserve go from 6+ months on property to zero reserves in a month, then back again the following month.

Size of bases EWR vs IAD?

EWR is larger, right now 68 CA/91 FO in EWR vs 56 CA/45 FO in IAD.

IAD is senior and "properly" staffed on the CA side, with several reserves, Newark will likely have zero reserve coverage on the captain side next month.

How many days off on reserve?

11


Do reserves fly most of their R days?

It depends, for the most part, yes.

How many hours do reserves average a month?

This is my first month on reserve as a captain, but right now I'm sitting around 50 hours credit at the half-way point. CA's tend to sit a bit more than FO's due to staffing right now.


What is the reserve call out time?

2 hours for short call, if you get it. Company generally assigns open time, then airport reserve, then finally short-call.

What is the min days off as a line holder?


How many days off can a mid level to senior FO hold? Can you maximize days off and quality of life if your a senior FO?

PBS. All depends on your skill and understanding of the system. My last month as a line holding CA, I had 18 days off on a 75 hour line. And I was bottom 5% in base, 2 above reserve.

How many legs per day average?

3-5

Average duty day length?

9-12 hours

Trip mix - 1 day, 2 day, 3 day 4 day etc?

Average flight leg length?

Average layover length?

13 hours this month. This is an ongoing issue with the union and the company. Company trying to build efficient schedules to maximize crew utilization, while the union trying to mitigate that to reduce operational issues downstream (11 hour overnight on a 5 leg day going through Newark, any delay and you're looking at a crew rest delay the next morning.)

What’s the training footprint?

Right now we're running pretty smoothly without many delays. 2 weeks for indoc, 2 weeks systems, 1 week GFS, 2-1/2 weeks sim at a minimum. Then another 10 days for IOE, figure 3 months to being online?

How is the overall quality of training?

Training washout rate?

Student dependent. Study, apply yourself, show up prepared and willing to learn, and should have no issues. I've done plenty of IOE on brand new guys who were flying a 172 4 months ago.

Will they work with students that have a good attitude and working hard if they have some training hiccups?

Yes.

I know I asked a lot of questions and I sincerely appreciate anyone taking the time to answer some or all of my questions! I’m not looking for any drama just factual answers. I know you guys are going through a lot at CommutAir and I truly wish you guys the best.

Thank you!

Hope this answers some of them.

Boeing Aviator
02-14-2018, 08:12 AM
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Hope this answers some of them.

Wow, thank you for a very timely and thorough response! Very helpful. Again Thank You!

Boeing Aviator
02-14-2018, 09:52 AM
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Hope this answers some of them.

Just a couple more questions.

1: GFS - I assume this is some sort of pre sim training. What type of training device is this conducted in an FTD (non motion sim where everything is fully functional and some even having full visual) or a paper tiger or something in between?

Any training devices where students can use on their own time to practice flows, profiles and FMS usage?

2: Trip type mix. How many 3 & 4 day trips vs 1 & 2 day trips?

Thanks again!

c402fr8er
02-14-2018, 10:39 AM
Just a couple more questions.

1: GFS - I assume this is some sort of pre sim training. What type of training device is this conducted in an FTD (non motion sim where everything is fully functional and some even having full visual) or a paper tiger or something in between?


Sorry, yeah; its like the paper tiger, except with interactive touch screens. Practice flows and call-outs, and acts as an FMS lab. Sometimes its done in an off motion sim instead.


Any training devices where students can use on their own time to practice flows, profiles and FMS usage?


No, sadly.

Paper tigers and cockpit posters for own usage are it. No FMS lab, either. That's covered in GFS training.



2: Trip type mix. How many 3 & 4 day trips vs 1 & 2 day trips?

Thanks again!

Currently in Dulles there are 7 1 & 2 day trips, vs 52 3 & 4 day trips, and 13 5 day trips.

Boeing Aviator
02-14-2018, 11:44 AM
Sorry, yeah; its like the paper tiger, except with interactive touch screens. Practice flows and call-outs, and acts as an FMS lab. Sometimes its done in an off motion sim instead.



No, sadly.

Paper tigers and cockpit posters for own usage are it. No FMS lab, either. That's covered in GFS training.



Currently in Dulles there are 7 1 & 2 day trips, vs 52 3 & 4 day trips, and 13 5 day trips.

Awesome, thanks so much for your help very much appreciated!

c402fr8er
02-14-2018, 12:51 PM
Awesome, thanks so much for your help very much appreciated!


My pleasure, hope this helps with his decision!

fancybusdriver
02-14-2018, 01:17 PM
+1 thank you - nice to find info that helps decision making.

CozyDriver
02-14-2018, 06:05 PM
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Hope this answers some of them.
Great info for a new hire as well, thank you. Got the offer 2/12, signed up 2/13, ATP-CTP 4/9 and indoc 4/19. May I PM you when I get closer for updated info?

c402fr8er
02-14-2018, 08:03 PM
Great info for a new hire as well, thank you. Got the offer 2/12, signed up 2/13, ATP-CTP 4/9 and indoc 4/19. May I PM you when I get closer for updated info?

Absolutely.

v1valarob
02-16-2018, 11:42 AM
As of 2/16/2018
Red & Bold = New Information

Junior First Officer:
EWR - New Hire
IAD - 6/12/17

Junior Captain:
EWR – 10/3/16
IAD – 9/6/16

Upgrades:

March: 6 (Most junior award went to a May 2nd, 2016 hire.)
April: 6

Junior FO Line Holder:
EWR – 7/31/2017
IAD – 2/13/2017

CPP:
December 2017: 6
January 2018: 3
February 2018: 7

Pilots listed on the seniority list as of February 1st, 2018: 286

Current list of E145 aircraft on our D085:

1 N11176
2 N11181
3 N11187
4 N11191
5 N11193
6 N11194
7 N11199
8 N12157
9 N12160
10 N13161
11 N13202
12 N14143
13 N14162
14 N14171
15 N14177
16 N14179
17 N14186
18 N14198
19 N14204
20 N16147
21 N16183
22 N21154
23 N33182

PotatoChip
02-16-2018, 12:23 PM
You’ll upgrade as soon as you get 1000 121 hours!!

v1valarob
02-17-2018, 09:58 AM
As of 2/17/2018
Red & Bold = New Information

Junior First Officer:
EWR - New Hire
IAD - 6/12/17

Junior Captain:
EWR - 10/3/16
IAD - 9/6/16

Upgrades:

March: 6 (Most junior award went to a May 2nd, 2016 hire.)
April: 6

Junior FO Line Holder:
EWR - 10/27/2017
IAD - 2/13/2017

CPP:
December 2017: 6
January 2018: 3
February 2018: 7

Pilots listed on the seniority list as of February 1st, 2018: 286

Current list of E145 aircraft on our D085:

1 N11176
2 N11181
3 N11187
4 N11191
5 N11193
6 N11194
7 N11199
8 N12157
9 N12160
10 N13161
11 N13202
12 N14143
13 N14162
14 N14171
15 N14177
16 N14179
17 N14186
18 N14198
19 N14204
20 N16147
21 N16183
22 N21154
23 N33182

flying2018
02-17-2018, 12:30 PM
What is the upgrade time for guys with 1000 121 time? How about CPP, from new hire to UAL (assuming accepted)?

PotatoChip
02-17-2018, 12:36 PM
What is the upgrade time for guys with 1000 121 time? How about CPP, from new hire to UAL (assuming accepted)?

According to recruiters, it's immediate! According to APC, it's immediate!

(Point is, they are full of lies. Most junior CA the last vacancy was May 2016, that's nearly two years. It'll change for the better or worse depending if they can staff airplanes. I'm highly skeptical.)

N1234
02-17-2018, 05:07 PM
Let me summarize the essential message here:

Pilots listed on the seniority list as of

December 1st, 2017: 291
January 1st, 2018: 284
February 1st, 2018: 286

Hmmh .....

jacburn
02-17-2018, 07:23 PM
According to recruiters, it's immediate! According to APC, it's immediate!

Is this the same as your W4 post mark crap? Where does is still say immediate upgrade on APC?

PotatoChip
02-18-2018, 04:05 AM
Is this the same as your W4 post mark crap? Where does is still say immediate upgrade on APC?

I admit I wrong about the postmark vs received.

However...
“Rapid upgrade to Captain as soon as you reach 1000 Part 121 hours.”
That’s flat out not true.
“Upgrade to Captain as soon as you reach 1000 Part 121 hours, slot availability dependent.“
Also not true, or at best a very large and imaginative stretch of the truth.

123494
02-20-2018, 06:30 PM
I admit I wrong about the postmark vs received.

However...
“Rapid upgrade to Captain as soon as you reach 1000 Part 121 hours.”
That’s flat out not true.
“Upgrade to Captain as soon as you reach 1000 Part 121 hours, slot availability dependent.“
Also not true, or at best a very large and imaginative stretch of the truth.

You really need a hobby dude. You’re at endeavor and you’re still on these forums?

JediCheese
02-21-2018, 10:28 AM
Upgrade at 1000 121 time is untrue here if you came in with outside time. It's hard to gauge if it's true if you're a brand new 121 hire (I suspect a 121 newb will upgrade at 1000 hrs 121).

Upgrade at 1000 hrs 121 time and slot availability is also untrue if you figure you need to pass training in order to keep that upgrade. But that's true anywhere.

I admit that it's good to know yesterday and today they were looking for reserve captains at 200%. It's a nice change from desperately looking for FOs after a crazy day at EWR.

v1valarob
02-24-2018, 08:16 AM
UAL Form 10-K, 2015 Annual Report, filed February 2016, for fiscal year ending Dec 31, 2015.



UAL Form 10-K, 2016 Annual Report, filed February 2017, for fiscal year ending Dec 31, 2016.



At the time of the 2016 annual report UAL showed C5 to be operating 10 Embraer 145s.

UAL Form 10-K, 2017 Annual Report, filed February 2018, for fiscal year ending Dec 31, 2017:

United holds a minority equity interest in two of its regional carriers, Champlain Enterprises, Inc. and Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. The contracts with these related parties are executed in the ordinary course of business. United recorded approximately $538 million, $486 million and $366 million in expenses related to its capacity purchase agreements with these regional carriers for the years ended December 31, 2017, 2016 and 2015, respectively. There were approximately $24 million and $32 million in accounts payable due to these companies as of December 31, 2017 and December 31, 2016,
respectively. There were no material accounts receivable due from these companies as of December 31, 2017 and December 31, 2016.

As of December 31, 2017 CommutAir operated 22 Embraer 145 aircraft.

The 10-K shows no information in regards to growth for CommutAir or information about the CPA with Champlain Enterprises.

Other notes:

As of 12/31/17 the amount of E145s operated for United where by the following:

-ExpressJet: 110
-Trans states: 36
-CommutAir: 22

United owns or leases the following aircraft listed below as of December 31, 2017:

• 11 owned Embraer ERJ 145s, which are temporarily grounded.

JediCheese
03-01-2018, 05:40 AM
Pilots on Seniority List
December 1st, 2017: 291
January 1st, 2018: 284
February 1st, 2018: 286
March 1st, 2018: 293

Added net 7 pilots last month.

hslightnin
03-01-2018, 08:42 AM
Pilots on Seniority List
December 1st, 2017: 291
January 1st, 2018: 284
February 1st, 2018: 286
March 1st, 2018: 293

Added net 7 pilots last month.

21 new hires in FEB.

So 5% of the list left in Feb. Pretty good movement.

dead meat
03-01-2018, 09:08 AM
21 new hires in FEB.

So 5% of the list left in Feb. Pretty good movement.

Yea but of the people that left, what was the breakdown of CA's and FO's? How many were training resignations? 21 FO's or new hires off the list isn't nearly as good as 21 CA's.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-01-2018, 02:17 PM
As for CPP, we had one of our pilots moved on to United in as little at 2 years and 10 days from date of hire!!!

If you are picking one of the CPP regionals, CommutAir is the fastest way to get you in a new hire class for United through the CPP(of course assuming you were successful in the Hogan and Interview).

Currently a lot of the guys in the pool still working on meeting the requirements to "flow". Which means, if you were in the pool now, and met all the requirements, you would "flow" in a couple months to 5 months and skip all who is not ready yet!!

PotatoChip
03-01-2018, 02:21 PM
As for CPP, we had one of our pilots moved on to United in as little at 2 years and 10 days from date of hire!!!

If you are picking one of the CPP regionals, CommutAir is the fastest way to get you in a new hire class for United through the CPP(of course assuming you were successful in the Hogan and Interview).

Currently a lot of the guys in the pool still working on meeting the requirements to "flow". Which means, if you were in the pool now, and met all the requirements, you would "flow" in a couple months to 5 months and skip all who is not ready yet!!

That was an extremely lucky individual who upgraded at the right time. The same cannot be said for someone being hired today. Just as today's upgrade time cannot be used for predicting the future.

Potential pilots should not expect to be at United in under three years.

flynd94
03-01-2018, 02:23 PM
As for CPP, we had one of our pilots moved on to United in as little at 2 years and 10 days from date of hire!!!

If you are picking one of the CPP regionals, CommutAir is the fastest way to get you in a new hire class for United through the CPP(of course assuming you were successful in the Hogan and Interview).

Currently a lot of the guys in the pool still working on meeting the requirements to "flow". Which means, if you were in the pool now, and met all the requirements, you would "flow" in a couple months to 5 months and skip all who is not ready yet!!

Do you have an hour requirement to move over in the CPP? I do believe the pilots at XJT need a to meet the hour minimum of service to UA. There’s is 3000 hours or 2000PIC flying under the UA banner. What are yours?

PotatoChip
03-01-2018, 02:25 PM
Do you have an hour requirement to move over in the CPP? I do believe the pilots at XJT need a to meet the hour minimum of service to UA. There’s is 3000 hours or 2000PIC flying under the UA banner. What are yours?

3000/1000

There are other requirements as well.

United Career Path Program ? Home Page (http://www.flycommutair.com/careers/pilots/united-career-path-program/)

flynd94
03-01-2018, 02:27 PM
3000/1000

There are other requirements as well.

United Career Path Program ? Home Page (http://www.flycommutair.com/careers/pilots/united-career-path-program/)

But Mgmt said you could “flow” over to UA as quick as 5 months. He left out a few details....

PotatoChip
03-01-2018, 02:29 PM
But Mgmt said you could “flow” over to UA as quick as 5 months. He left out a few details....

What a huge surprise that someone claiming to be in management and trying to recruit people is leaving out details... You'll see that a lot here. It's why I hang around.
Like I said, do your research.
Envoy, Endeavor, SkyWest aren't having trouble filling classes. There's a reason that C5 is.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-01-2018, 02:40 PM
That was an extremely lucky individual who upgraded at the right time. The same cannot be said for someone being hired today. Just as today's upgrade time cannot be used for predicting the future.

Potential pilots should not expect to be at United in under three years.

It could've been you hot potato!! it could've been you! Good luck.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-01-2018, 02:45 PM
But Mgmt said you could “flow” over to UA as quick as 5 months. He left out a few details....

Re-read my post, I said if you were currently in the pool and met all the requirements. If you need info on the requirements for C5 just ask. Looks like you skipped out on reading most of what I said.

Thanks hot potato for providing it.

PotatoChip
03-01-2018, 02:49 PM
Re-read my post, I said if you were currently in the pool and met all the requirements, if you need info on the requirements for C5 just ask.

Thanks hot potato for providing it.

Right. Which is still a little misleading.

What you are saying that someone would have to a) Have either 3000 hours or 1000PIC (which would take approximately four years for a new hire today), and then AFTER they met that it would take an additional five months. It could also be much longer depending on how many people are in front of you when you meet the minimums. I'd plan five years.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-01-2018, 02:51 PM
What a huge surprise that someone claiming to be in management and trying to recruit people is leaving out details... You'll see that a lot here. It's why I hang around.
Like I said, do your research.
Envoy, Endeavor, SkyWest aren't having trouble filling classes. There's a reason that C5 is.

And everyone has that tactic of leaving out details when it comes to advertising business. Only difference here is that he/she can ask me directly of the details and I'll give it to them.

You ever watch t.v. commercials? What's your point?

PotatoChip
03-01-2018, 02:53 PM
And everyone has that tactic of leaving out details when it comes to advertising business. Only difference here is that he/she can ask me directly of the details and I'll give it to them. What's your point?

That you are advertising and people should realize that. Plain and simple.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-01-2018, 02:55 PM
That you are advertising and people should realize that. Plain and simple.

So is every other regionals stacking up earnings to include even hotel benefits as part of compensation, again what's your point? You can say the same thing for everyone else.

How do you think recruiting happens for all the regionals?

PotatoChip
03-01-2018, 02:59 PM
So is every other regionals stacking up earnings to include even hotel benefits as part of compensation, again what's your point? You can say the same thing for everyone else.

That people shouldn't just listen to what you post. They should exercise some discretion. They should do their research and not take your information at face value.

And yes, other airlines have some misleading advertisement. Air Wis comes to mind. Again, do your research, folks.

And just because some airlines are using less than ethical means of advertising doesn't mean it's okay for C5 to do the same. Again, there are several regionals out there who aren't having any trouble filling classes. They offer fare compensation, treat employees well, don't extend people mercilessly, have reasonable upgrade times... I urge people to look at those regionals.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-01-2018, 03:04 PM
That people shouldn't just listen to what you post. They should exercise some discretion. They should do their research and not take your information at face value.

And yes, other airlines have some misleading advertisement. Air Wis comes to mind. Again, do your research, folks.

And just because some airlines are using less than ethical means of advertising doesn't mean it's okay for C5 to do the same. Again, there are several regionals out there who aren't having any trouble filling classes. They offer fare compensation, treat employees well, don't extend people mercilessly, have reasonable upgrade times... I urge people to look at those regionals.

No one just listens to regional advertisment, hence APC was born. Just roll to the bottom of APC page and you'll see more ads, do you think pilots just click and apply?

If that's what you are saying then you are putting down your own workgroup. Ha! You don't even know what to say anymore.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-01-2018, 03:13 PM
Right. Which is still a little misleading.

What you are saying that someone would have to a) Have either 3000 hours or 1000PIC (which would take approximately four years for a new hire today), and then AFTER they met that it would take an additional five months. It could also be much longer depending on how many people are in front of you when you meet the minimums. I'd plan five years.

And if a new hire wait 4 years, how senior do you think he/she would be by that time? Very senior!! So they'd probably be at the front of the line to "flow" by that time. Ha!

PotatoChip
03-01-2018, 03:17 PM
And if a new hire wait 4 years, how senior do you think he/she would be by that time? Very senior!! So they'd probably be at the front of the line to "flow" by that time. Ha!

Which, unfortunately, proves that C5 is a bad place. If are very senior at an airline after only four years, that’s a problem. That means no one stays. And that doesn’t mean they are all leaving for majors. It means they are also leaving for other regionals. C5 doesn’t have a tough time keeping captains, they can’t keep FOs. That’s a huge red flag for any potential new hire.

At good regionals, four years of seniority wouldn’t have you even close to halfway up the list.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-01-2018, 03:49 PM
Which, unfortunately, proves that C5 is a bad place. If are very senior at an airline after only four years, that’s a problem. That means no one stays. And that doesn’t mean they are all leaving for majors. It means they are also leaving for other regionals. C5 doesn’t have a tough time keeping captains, they can’t keep FOs. That’s a huge red flag for any potential new hire.

At good regionals, four years of seniority wouldn’t have you even close to halfway up the list.

And here is the great thing that you don't see, it shows movement!! So you'd hold a line quicker, upgrade quicker and move on quicker. Thanks for helping me show that point ha! MOVEMENT!! And we had a lot of movement from the top of the seniority list these last months. If I was stupid, I'd think you're a C5 recruiter too hot potato. Thanks again.

Why go to a place where you potentially sit reserve for years becuz of no movement?

Hint: there is no such thing a good regional unless you planning on being a lifer. Get in, get it, GET OUT!! Efficiently.

PotatoChip
03-01-2018, 03:57 PM
And here is the great thing that you don't see, it shows movement!! So you'd hold a line quicker, upgrade quicker and move on quicker. Thanks for helping me show that point ha! MOVEMENT!! And we had a lot of movement from the top of the seniority list these last months. If I was stupid, I'd think you're a C5 recruiter too hot potato. Thanks again.

Why go to a place where you potentially sit reserve for years becuz of no movement?

Hint: there is no such thing a good regional unless you planning on being a lifer. Get in, get it, GET OUT!! Efficiently.

Again, it’s movement to OTHER REGIONALS. That’s NOT good. Of my class of 27, 10 have left for other regionals. One for Southern (which is even worse than a regional). That speaks volumes.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-01-2018, 04:00 PM
Again, it’s movement to OTHER REGIONALS. That’s NOT good. Of my class of 27, 10 have left for other regionals. One for Southern (which is even worse than a regional). That speaks volumes.

Ha! Ok. 12 guys went to United via CPP guys, come on in!! C5 doors are open!. Hot potato you are welcome to join us again too. If it has not been more than a year you can get back your seniority number!!

Could've been you hot potato, could've been you.

flyingnerd
03-01-2018, 10:37 PM
With the cpp, can you take the hogan prior to accepting the conditional offer?

marshal
03-02-2018, 03:55 AM
With the cpp, can you take the hogan prior to accepting the conditional offer?

You can take before class starts, but you have to accept the offer and do on boarding first.

the apprentice
03-02-2018, 05:22 AM
Management does sitting conditional reserve time count towards the CPP requirement because I seem to sit more conditional reserve than anything else around here. Note that in the last 2 weeks I have been at work for 12 out of 14 days and I have flown a grand total of 15 hours due to the cancellations and re assignments from my scheduled line flying to conditional reserve.

Yes people conditional reserve is a term at this place used to assign line holders to airport reserve.

CozyDriver
03-02-2018, 05:25 AM
Management does sitting conditional reserve time count towards the CPP requirement because I seem to sit more conditional reserve than anything else around here. Note that in the last 2 weeks I have been at work for 12 out of 14 days and I have flown a grand total of 15 hours due to the cancellations and re assignments from my scheduled line flying to conditional reserve.

Yes people conditional reserve is a term at this place used to assign line holders to airport reserve.
Thanks, disregard my q in the other thread.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-02-2018, 07:59 AM
Management does sitting conditional reserve time count towards the CPP requirement because I seem to sit more conditional reserve than anything else around here. Note that in the last 2 weeks I have been at work for 12 out of 14 days and I have flown a grand total of 15 hours due to the cancellations and re assignments from my scheduled line flying to conditional reserve.

Yes people conditional reserve is a term at this place used to assign line holders to airport reserve.

Yes it does count towards the CPP so keep those sofa warm and rack up those CPP hrs :D

FlyingSlowly
03-03-2018, 02:16 PM
You can take before class starts, but you have to accept the offer and do on boarding first.

If UAL were really serious about the CPP, they would provide full acceptance into the program to candidates before day 1 of working at one of their contract carriers.

Basically no AAL W/O regional pilot will leave a job with guaranteed flow for the possibility of the CPP or a DGI for that matter...just sayin'...

MGMTiswatchingU
03-03-2018, 02:44 PM
If UAL were really serious about the CPP, they would provide full acceptance into the program to candidates before day 1 of working at one of their contract carriers.

Basically no AAL W/O regional pilot will leave a job with guaranteed flow for the possibility of the CPP or a DGI for that matter...just sayin'...

They made an agreement with MSU in Denver where the students can do the CPP (hogan and interview) and after being accepted and placed the pool they have to go to one of the CPP carriers (CommutAir, XJT, Air whiskey) and meet the respective requirements to move on to United. So it forces the students to go to one of the regionals IF they wanna stay in the pool and go to United.

Link:

http://www.cobizmag.com/Companies/United-Airlines-Launches-Pilot-Program-with-MSU-Denver/

Tooooomkramer
03-03-2018, 02:55 PM
We are a good regional we are picking up flying from other regional we pay premium pay lots of all the time for picking up open reserve upgrade time is down to aug 2016 Hire

Tooooomkramer
03-03-2018, 02:59 PM
What is conditional reserve? I never saw that in the GOM or the contract

MGMTiswatchingU
03-03-2018, 03:27 PM
We are a good regional we are picking up flying from other regional we pay premium pay lots of all the time for picking up open reserve upgrade time is down to aug 2016 Hire

This is true. We have picked up flying in EWR for tomorrow, Monday, and Tuesday from another regional. 200% payout for crew (both seats) that wants to get in on it.

GO COMMUTAIR!

Paid2fly
03-03-2018, 06:02 PM
This is true. We have picked up flying in EWR for tomorrow, Monday, and Tuesday from another regional. 200% payout for crew (both seats) that wants to get in on it.

GO COMMUTAIR!












:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

MGMTiswatchingU
03-03-2018, 06:10 PM
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Just imagine as I say "GO COMMUTAIR!" Those rolls royce engine immediately spools up for takeoff. Yesss!! I should make an ad for that :rolleyes:

the apprentice
03-04-2018, 10:08 AM
Hey management how many emails are going to be sent begging people to come in to cover the flying? I am willing to bet that you will end up screwing people over and extending them into days off over this.

JediCheese
03-04-2018, 10:19 AM
This is true. We have picked up flying in EWR for tomorrow, Monday, and Tuesday from another regional. 200% payout for crew (both seats) that wants to get in on it.

I am willing to bet that you will end up screwing people over and extending them into days off over this.
I'm sure anyone working here knows, there are no protections against getting extended if you pick up time. Just work your 6 days (because there is zero chance they'll let you leave before you hit some 117 requirement) and then disappear :(

I've already picked up some flying (back before the nor'easter right before the start of this month), then got extended into more flying. They also wouldn't give me 200% because I didn't pick up the extension (no asking, just you've been extended - no we're not giving you 200% because you've been extended). I haven't seen hardball this extreme from crew scheduling since last summer.

After being treated this way, I'm not even thinking about OT unless they start bringing back the green and offering 300%. I foresee that fatigue stoplight going yellow, and then red if this keeps up.

the apprentice
03-04-2018, 10:26 AM
Just imagine as I say "GO COMMUTAIR!" Those rolls royce engine immediately spools up for takeoff. Yesss!! I should make an ad for that :rolleyes:

Is your add going to be like that embarrassing one that came out recently full of errors

MGMTiswatchingU
03-04-2018, 10:27 AM
Is your add going to be like that embarrassing one that came out recently full of errors

YES!!!

Filler

Hou757
03-04-2018, 03:44 PM
I'm sure anyone working here knows, there are no protections against getting extended if you pick up time. Just work your 6 days (because there is zero chance they'll let you leave before you hit some 117 requirement) and then disappear :(

I've already picked up some flying (back before the nor'easter right before the start of this month), then got extended into more flying. They also wouldn't give me 200% because I didn't pick up the extension (no asking, just you've been extended - no we're not giving you 200% because you've been extended). I haven't seen hardball this extreme from crew scheduling since last summer.

After being treated this way, I'm not even thinking about OT unless they start bringing back the green and offering 300%. I foresee that fatigue stoplight going yellow, and then red if this keeps up.

I'm really not trying to be mean by asking this but: You guys can pick up a 200 percent pairing in open time on your day off and then they can extend that trip and not pay you premium pay for what you just flew if you refuse to an extension?

PosRateGearUp
03-04-2018, 04:13 PM
I'm really not trying to be mean by asking this but: You guys can pick up a 200 percent pairing in open time on your day off and then they can extend that trip and not pay you premium pay for what you just flew if you refuse to an extension?

That’s not how it’s supposed to be, the poster should have contacted the union instead of blasting it on here. I’ve had added flying that was paid at the premium.

JediCheese
03-04-2018, 06:29 PM
That’s not how it’s supposed to be, the poster should have contacted the union instead of blasting it on here. I’ve had added flying that was paid at the premium.

You could be pay protected at the higher rate. Due to the circumstances, I'm not and thus am at the whims of crew scheduling. I asked and it was initially turned down by crew scheduling.

There was an email sent out by the CP or CS (or it was on a CP call) saying that the company wouldn't pay out at the higher rate if they forcibly extended a pilot. And unless the union fought it and won (or the company backed off), it's that way.

DirkDiggler
03-04-2018, 07:28 PM
Forcibly? There is no such thing as forcibly in this safety conscious industry. It is called “I have no testicles so I’ll do what you say.”

JediCheese
03-04-2018, 07:44 PM
Forcibly? There is no such thing as forcibly in this safety conscious industry. It is called “I have no testicles so I’ll do what you say.”

Somehow, I don't think 'I have a hot date this evening and would prefer to not fly" is a safety issue.

DirkDiggler
03-04-2018, 08:19 PM
Somehow, I don't think 'I have a hot date this evening and would prefer to not fly" is a safety issue.

You’re right. Just do what I do, say no thanks and leave. When they call or email numerous times, just ignore it. Keep flying you’re schedule and eventually they’ll go away. Works like a charm for me. But most pilots don’t have the cajones to employ this procedure.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-05-2018, 05:00 AM
Some of you guys/gals are busy trying to figure out if I am mgmt or not, while I am busy answering questions to potential newhires in my APC inbox. Ha! Pathetic. :rolleyes:

v1valarob
03-06-2018, 03:13 PM
10 (ten) upgrades for May.

Fr8Thrust
03-06-2018, 10:41 PM
GO COMMUTAIR!

Yeah! Go horrible working conditions (death by extension, training schenanigans, subpar CBAs) and a daily joke of an operation!

Picking up scraps from an airline, who’s pilots aren’t abused, is nothing to celebrate.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-07-2018, 08:04 AM
Yeah! Go horrible working conditions (death by extension, training schenanigans, subpar CBAs) and a daily joke of an operation!

Picking up scraps from an airline, who’s pilots aren’t abused, is nothing to celebrate.

I assume you meant "...are abused". If that's the case, why would management be concerned with taking flying from another regional who's pilots are being abused? How would that come into bussiness strategy? So we should refuse extra flying from United because the regional they are taking it from is abusing their pilots? Is that what your point is?

We get more flying from United, that's all us management see in that respect, increased revenue, take a business course and you'll see how nasty business can possibly get. it's nothing personal to any regional, all business. What goes on in the neighborhood of other regionals (when it comes to that) is none of our business.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-07-2018, 08:15 AM
Pilots have a lot of choices in this market. If business is going south in your company, it's always your choice to stay or leave and we understand that here at CommutAir. This is why we know we have a lot of work to do to bring morales back up and to make this place somewhere you would want to stay. We got out work cut out for us right now, solving labor disputes in other regionals is not our job or our business.

Fr8Thrust
03-07-2018, 01:49 PM
I assume you meant "...are abused".

No, I was correct, C5 pilots are abused. Everyone knows that.

take a business course

Take a management course. You’re not the only manager on here. However, you are the only one who’s celebrating the whipsaw; which makes it personal to all pilots.

If you were truly management, you wouldn’t go by that toolbag username. Managers don’t watch, they lead. Real airline managers have important tasks at hand to keep the airline running, which doesn’t include trolling the forums. Ask me how I know.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-07-2018, 02:00 PM
No, I was correct, C5 pilots are abused. Everyone knows that.



Take a management course. You’re not the only manager on here. However, you are the only one who’s celebrating the whipsaw; which makes it personal to all pilots.

If you were truly management, you wouldn’t go by that toolbag username. Managers don’t watch, they lead. Real airline managers have important tasks at hand to keep the airline running, which doesn’t include trolling the forums. Ask me how I know.

Hmmm.....so I am not a real manager because I am "trolling" the forum but at the same time you are saying I am not the only manager on here? Not a great way to make a statement but carry on....

DirkDiggler
03-07-2018, 02:13 PM
Don't want to offend... but just have to state the obvious. Being a manager at CommutAir is like being a manager at Joe's Taco Lounge. Yeah you may be big in your circle of fish... But I don't think many outsiders would let their dog, the scavenger that goes outside and eats his own poo, eat at your taco lounge. Are you picking up what I'm throwing down.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-07-2018, 02:24 PM
Don't want to offend... but just have to state the obvious. Being a manager at CommutAir is like being a manager at Joe's Taco Lounge. Yeah you may be big in your circle of fish... But I don't think many outsiders would let their dog, the scavenger that goes outside and eats his own poo, eat at your taco lounge. Are you picking up what I'm throwing down.

Don't want to offend but......nah you got it wrong, YOU pick up what people like me (managers) throw down. Lol get right.

DirkDiggler
03-07-2018, 02:30 PM
Nah you got it wrong, YOU pick up what people like me (managers) throw down. Lol get right.

Manager of what? Janitorial Services? Facility maintenance? Are you Felipe? That guy with the toilet brush in his hand always running around EWR?

MGMTiswatchingU
03-07-2018, 02:32 PM
Manager of what? Janitorial Services? Facility maintenance? Are you Felipe? That guy with the toilet brush in his hand always running around EWR?

Nope I am Mr. Frank Lorenzo. You were close though, I'll give you that.

And you pretty much just called yourself a janitor. :rolleyes:
But that's none of my business

hslightnin
03-07-2018, 02:36 PM
Nope I am Mr. Frank Lorenzo. You were close though, I'll give you that.

And you pretty much just called yourself a janitor. :rolleyes:
But that's none of my business

Stop trashing people and feeding trolls and get on with the leaks you promised.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-07-2018, 02:41 PM
Stop trashing people and feeding trolls and get on with the leaks you promised.

Lol I like this guy. He knows what's up. More LEAKS to come. Unlike the others here at CommutAir, when I make a promise I'll keep it.

PhantomHawk
03-07-2018, 03:23 PM
Lol I like this guy. He knows what's up. More LEAKS to come. Unlike the others here at CommutAir, when I make a promise I'll keep it.

Can you LEAK some info on that XR you guys have parked in the desert and stripped for parts? This is the “aircraft info” thread, so I figure it’s the appropriate place to ask. Care to shed some light on why that thing is on blocks in Kingman? How happy is United with C5 for doing that? I’m just curious.

MGMTiswatchingU
03-07-2018, 03:56 PM
Can you LEAK some info on that XR you guys have parked in the desert and stripped for parts? This is the “aircraft info” thread, so I figure it’s the appropriate place to ask. Care to shed some light on why that thing is on blocks in Kingman? How happy is United with C5 for doing that? I’m just curious.

Parked in the wrong neighborhood on an overnight and the next morning it was found on cinder blocks. Currently being investigated. Lol anyway, we can't do stuff like that without United's approval so they are in on it. It's not something United is not well aware of. We brief every morning with United on the phone and there are 2 United representatives on our board of 5. So there is no secret.

And it isn't stripped to use as a parts plane. It's being inspected and parts are being replaced.

jacburn
03-08-2018, 11:30 PM
Can you LEAK some info on that XR you guys have parked in the desert and stripped for parts? This is the “aircraft info” thread, so I figure it’s the appropriate place to ask. Care to shed some light on why that thing is on blocks in Kingman? How happy is United with C5 for doing that? I’m just curious.

All the XR gear is hitting their required cycle times. That plane is being used as the rotating set of gear while the others have the gear inspected. I would almost guarantee that the owner of the airplane and the 2 of the 5 board members that are from that company that are on the board of C5 are completely in the loop.

v1valarob
03-19-2018, 06:25 AM
As of 3/19/2018
Red & Bold = New Information

Junior First Officer:
EWR - New Hire
IAD - 8/14/17

Junior Captain:
EWR - 10/3/16
IAD - 9/6/16

Upgrades:

March: 6 (Most junior award went to a May 2nd, 2016 hire.)
April: 6
May: 10

Junior FO Line Holder:
EWR - 10/27/2017
IAD - 2/27/2017

CPP:
December 2017: 6
January 2018: 3
February 2018: 7

Pilots listed on the seniority list as of March 1st, 2018: 293

Current list of E145 aircraft on our D085:

1 N11176
2 N11181
3 N11187
4 N11191
5 N11193
6 N11194
7 N11199
8 N12157
9 N12160
10 N13161
11 N13202
12 N14143
13 N14162
14 N14171
15 N14177
16 N14179
17 N14186
18 N14198
19 N14204
20 N16147
21 N16183
22 N21154
23 N33182

hslightnin
03-19-2018, 08:36 AM
As of 3/19/2018


Upgrades:

March: 6 (Most junior award went to a May 2nd, 2016 hire.)
April: 6 (Most junior award went to a August 1st, 2016 hire.)




Update....

Desiflyer
03-19-2018, 06:29 PM
As of 3/19/2018
Red & Bold = New Information

Junior First Officer:
EWR - New Hire
IAD - 8/14/17

Junior Captain:
EWR - 10/3/16
IAD - 9/6/16

Upgrades:

March: 6 (Most junior award went to a May 2nd, 2016 hire.)
April: 6
May: 10

Junior FO Line Holder:
EWR - 10/27/2017
IAD - 2/27/2017

CPP:
December 2017: 6
January 2018: 3
February 2018: 7

Pilots listed on the seniority list as of March 1st, 2018: 293

Current list of E145 aircraft on our D085:

1 N11176
2 N11181
3 N11187
4 N11191
5 N11193
6 N11194
7 N11199
8 N12157
9 N12160
10 N13161
11 N13202
12 N14143
13 N14162
14 N14171
15 N14177
16 N14179
17 N14186
18 N14198
19 N14204
20 N16147
21 N16183
22 N21154
23 N33182


Sorry for being clueless
Still tryin got figure things out

What does all this even mean

Junior FO
EWR-new hire???

I understand the CPP about 3 went to United in January and 7 in February.

jacburn
03-19-2018, 07:03 PM
Sorry for being clueless
Still tryin got figure things out

What does all this even mean

Junior FO
EWR-new hire???

I understand the CPP about 3 went to United in January and 7 in February.

Our new hires are being based in EWR. 8/14/17 is the date of hire for the most JR IAD FO.

Desiflyer
03-20-2018, 06:17 AM
Thank for the information. That clarifies things.

ElevenEleven
03-24-2018, 08:07 AM
I have a CJO from C5, scheduled for onboarding in April, and I just submitted to United via airlineapps as instructed by HR. It seems strange submitting it at this point, but is it just a technicality for CPP? Or is there a possibility you don't get an invite to do the Hogan based on your application?

dead meat
03-24-2018, 08:30 AM
I have a CJO from C5, scheduled for onboarding in April, and I just submitted to United via airlineapps as instructed by HR. It seems strange submitting it at this point, but is it just a technicality for CPP? Or is there a possibility you don't get an invite to do the Hogan based on your application?

It is a technicality. Everyone gets the opportunity to take the Hogan. The main thing is to have your app polished (i.e. get an interview prep service to go through it with a fine tooth comb) ahead of your UA interview.

ElevenEleven
03-28-2018, 01:24 AM
Probably already on here somewhere, but how long after submitting the United app will you get the invite to take the Hogan?

v1valarob
03-28-2018, 06:07 AM
As of 3/28/2018
Red & Bold = New Information

Junior First Officer:
EWR - New Hire
IAD - New Hire (The most junior Dulles FO is now in training, and not even on the seniority list yet since the last update.)

Junior Captain:
EWR - 10/3/16
IAD - 9/6/16

Upgrades:

March: 6
April: 6
May: 10 (Most Junior: 11/28/2016)

Junior FO Line Holder:
EWR - 10/27/2017
IAD - 2/27/2017

CPP:
December 2017: 6
January 2018: 3
February 2018: 7

Pilots listed on the seniority list as of March 1st, 2018: 293

Current list of E145 aircraft on our D085:

1 N11176
2 N11181
3 N11187
4 N11191
5 N11193
6 N11194
7 N11199
8 N12157
9 N12160
10 N13161
11 N13202
12 N14143
13 N14162
14 N14171
15 N14177
16 N14179
17 N14186
18 N14198
19 N14204
20 N16147
21 N16183
22 N21154
23 N33182

v1valarob
03-28-2018, 06:10 AM
Just my opinion, but based on the current upgrade award, and the number of guys between myself and that junior award, upgrade will drop to less than 6 months.

Between the 11/28/16 upgrade, and the 11/30/17 class, there are only 50 people.

marshal
03-28-2018, 06:22 AM
Just my opinion, but based on the current upgrade award, and the number of guys between myself and that junior award, upgrade will drop to less than 6 months.

Between the 11/28/16 upgrade, and the 11/30/17 class, there are only 50 people.

I agree with this. Was told in class this week they are expecting to run out of FOs to upgrade in the fall based on new airplane deliveries. The key to all of this is finding new hires to back fill the upgrades.

JediCheese
03-28-2018, 06:43 AM
I agree with this. Was told in class this week they are expecting to run out of FOs to upgrade in the fall based on new airplane deliveries. The key to all of this is finding new hires to back fill the upgrades.

HAHAHAHAHA. 'New airplane deliveries' indeed? I don't foresee our D85 growing that much without excessive speed tape expenditures.

the apprentice
03-28-2018, 08:53 AM
They have been saying this same story for 2 years now.

Rcordeiro122592
03-28-2018, 09:00 AM
I am wondering the upgrade time for one going in with 2700TT with 1000 hours 135 commuter PIC time? 0 turbine.

JediCheese
03-28-2018, 09:12 AM
I am wondering the upgrade time for one going in with 2700TT with 1000 hours 135 commuter PIC time? 0 turbine.

Company doesn't require any outside requirements other than the FARs to upgrade. It would be ~2 years to get your 1000 hrs SIC if you need it (faster if you work your butt off). It could be 6 to 18 months if you already have captain requirements in order to get seniority to upgrade.

There's no idea what the future holds for the company. We could grow to 60 airplanes and have 800 pilots. We could also stay at 300 pilots and 25 airplanes. We could be unprofitable and slowly wind down. Each of these possibilities could come true.

MaxQ
03-28-2018, 10:30 AM
HAHAHAHAHA. 'New airplane deliveries' indeed? I don't foresee our D85 growing that much without excessive speed tape expenditures.
Aircraft #24 planned to be ready by 4/2.
Aircraft #25 being delivered 3/30 to begin conformity checks.

Desiflyer
03-28-2018, 12:08 PM
I agree with this. Was told in class this week they are expecting to run out of FOs to upgrade in the fall based on new airplane deliveries. The key to all of this is finding new hires to back fill the upgrades.

Thats very disturbing to hear that.
So the upgrades are going to be longer 2+year

v1valarob
03-28-2018, 12:23 PM
Thats very disturbing to hear that.
So the upgrades are going to be longer 2+year

Because the planes can fly without captains?

marshal
03-28-2018, 12:45 PM
Thats very disturbing to hear that.
So the upgrades are going to be longer 2+year

It means, if you believe the company projections, as soon as you have your 1000 121 hours you will be able to upgrade. If you come in with 121 time, you will be able to upgrade quickly.

JediCheese
04-03-2018, 06:29 AM
Upgrades:

June: 8 spots open EWR


Pilots listed on the seniority list as of April 1st, 2018: 297

Least senior captain awarded is now Nov 2016 hire. Looks like it might drop to Dec 2017 when looking at the domicile bids page if they award all 8 EWR CA spots.

ElevenEleven
04-03-2018, 07:21 AM
And did I see the 25th aircraft is officially on it's way?

dead meat
04-03-2018, 07:43 AM
Upgrades:

June: 8 spots open EWR


Pilots listed on the seniority list as of April 1st, 2018: 297

Least senior captain awarded is now Nov 2016 hire. Looks like it might drop to Dec 2017 when looking at the domicile bids page if they award all 8 EWR CA spots.
Just so everybody doesn't freak out, he meant to say it might drop to Dec 2016, not Dec 2017.

JediCheese
04-03-2018, 07:49 AM
Just so everybody doesn't freak out, he meant to say it might drop to Dec 2016, not Dec 2017.

It's based off data any C5 pilot can see. The company posted 8 spots, there are 8 people who are bidding for upgrade between the Nov '16 and Dec '17 hire dates.

2016 was a high hiring year. 2017, not so much...

v1valarob
04-03-2018, 07:49 AM
And did I see the 25th aircraft is officially on it's way?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N17169

v1valarob
04-03-2018, 07:51 AM
Just so everybody doesn't freak out, he meant to say it might drop to Dec 2016, not Dec 2017.

He actually does mean Dec 2017. It all depends on if the more senior FOs will have their 1000 by June, but upgrade is most certainly going to drop to less than a year.

hslightnin
04-03-2018, 08:18 AM
He actually does mean Dec 2017. It all depends on if the more senior FOs will have their 1000 by June, but upgrade is most certainly going to drop to less than a year.

It also may go even more Jr than that, since you don't have to have 1000 to even bid for a CA spot.

dead meat
04-03-2018, 11:15 AM
It's based off data any C5 pilot can see. The company posted 8 spots, there are 8 people who are bidding for upgrade between the Nov '16 and Dec '17 hire dates.

2016 was a high hiring year. 2017, not so much...

My bad, I hadn't looked at the list before I posted that. I assumed it was one number off. That's what I get for ASSuming. Good for everyone that falls in that huge gap in hiring and has the time.



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