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Marty MCfly
12-28-2017, 08:11 AM
Re-applying and trying to figure out the difference in these 2 questions. If I had say 2 Checkride Failures, do I enter 2 under how many training failures and the how many checkride failures question? Or Is it 0 training failures (thinking maybe stage checks???) and 3 under checkride failures. But to me a checkride is part of training so why are there 2 different questions. Am I only hurting myself by putting 2 in both boxes? Any insight appreciated.


CaptCoolHand
12-28-2017, 09:21 AM
Jmo, training is with an instructor to teach you. Check ride is with a fed or dpe and they are checking your performance and not teaching you.

Good luck!

Cloud5urfer
12-28-2017, 10:36 AM
If at the end of the ride it would result in a new certificate or rating (ie. Private, Instrument, AMEL, etc.) it would be a checkride.

I think they really mean training failures as failures in a 121 or 135 environment where you're expected to pass each lesson. But you could probably include training "stage checks" like they do in 141 training.

The application last I looked at it wants an explanation of all failures anyways so be prepared to account for them.


b82rez
12-28-2017, 02:50 PM
Typical Jetblue.

Without any more guidance, I would say that a training failure would be the failure of a training program; e.g., you attempt to upgrade to CA at an airline and fail to do.

aldonite7667
12-29-2017, 04:49 AM
Typical Jetblue.

Without any more guidance, I would say that a training failure would be the failure of a training program; e.g., you attempt to upgrade to CA at an airline and fail to do.


Agree with this

Marty MCfly
12-29-2017, 11:39 AM
Thanks everyone! I unfortunately have 3. 2004, 2005, and 2009. Been almost 10 years but I'm guessing my chances at hearing anything from anyone are quite low. Hate that what I did when I was still a kid in college are affecting me so much a decade later. I was a very different person and pilot back then.

HighFlight
12-29-2017, 12:18 PM
A large amount of pilots have failures in their past. No one likes it, but it happens. Own them, explain how they have made you a better person, and donít let the fear of them hold you back, ever. The person you have become is more important to most airline companies than your number of hours or past failures.

Thanks everyone! I unfortunately have 3. 2004, 2005, and 2009. Been almost 10 years but I'm guessing my chances at hearing anything from anyone are quite low. Hate that what I did when I was still a kid in college are affecting me so much a decade later. I was a very different person and pilot back then.

Marty MCfly
12-29-2017, 03:39 PM
A large amount of pilots have failures in their past. No one likes it, but it happens. Own them, explain how they have made you a better person, and donít let the fear of them hold you back, ever. The person you have become is more important to most airline companies than your number of hours or past failures.

I agree. It certainly doesn't define me, but I'm trying to figure out what's been holding me back from getting a call. From anyone... If I get the chance to interview, I can certainly explain what happened, what I've learned from them, how I'm improved today, and how they don't define who I am.

Looking for the chance!! :)

Rascal
12-29-2017, 03:59 PM
I agree. It certainly doesn't define me, but I'm trying to figure out what's been holding me back from getting a call. From anyone... If I get the chance to interview, I can certainly explain what happened, what I've learned from them, how I'm improved today, and how they don't define who I am.

Looking for the chance!! :)

In my opinion check ride failures will not stop you from getting the interview but you need to have a good explanation on why it happend and what did you learn from it. I had zero failures, very high gpa, close to 9000tt and 2000tpic time, check-airman time, volunteer work, yet no call for me... But a friend of mine with less than 3000tt and 5 failures on the record is flying a 757 at Delta right now.