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drivinghome
12-28-2017, 03:43 PM
Anyone have any idea what the total time minimums are for those being invited to interview? Heard they aren't calling anyone with less than 8,000 total, unless military.


2strokin
12-28-2017, 04:23 PM
Anyone have any idea what the total time minimums are for those being invited to interview? Heard they aren't calling anyone with less than 8,000 total, unless military.

I have an interview and have just a little over 7K. Not military. Ex 121 current 135.

Wingsuit
12-29-2017, 06:32 AM
Anyone have any idea what the total time minimums are for those being invited to interview? Heard they aren't calling anyone with less than 8,000 total, unless military.

Not sure about that. I had 6500 TT 1350 TPIC when I was called. I was also a check airman.


drivinghome
12-29-2017, 09:29 AM
Thanks for the responses. Good to know.

G550av8r
12-29-2017, 11:11 AM
Any non-mil guys getting calls under 5000TT?

01WJ
12-29-2017, 02:31 PM
I was basically one of the only slackers in my class without a check airman letter or some sort of instructor experience. As far as regional guys. I was probably on the lower end of TT for regional guys. Ymmv since it seems everything adds a different amount of points, but as far as time goes I had about 3000 PIC and just under 10,000 TT.

drivinghome
12-29-2017, 03:01 PM
Any non-mil guys getting calls under 5000TT?

Good question. I havenít heard of any, but if theyíre out there, Iíd love to know.

rgr331
12-29-2017, 11:03 PM
Any non-mil guys getting calls under 5000TT?

I had 4600 hours and 1013 TPIC (3500 part 121 w/ no millitry).

But... I did buy the 737 Type after they dropped the requirement. I have no doubt it would have been another couple years and 1500ish more hours before a call came had I not gotten the type.

at6d
12-30-2017, 01:18 AM
Two years ago, our civilian portion of the class average was about 7000. Lowest overall was a mil guy with 1900. I don't know of a magic number.

tm602
12-30-2017, 08:23 AM
What about Dual received? Does that go as SIC in Pilot Credentials or does it not count at all??

PropCop
12-30-2017, 09:00 AM
What about Dual received? Does that go as SIC in Pilot Credentials or does it not count at all??

Log dual received as sic and make a note that that is what you are doing so that your sic + pic = total time. Do the same for any other logged time if you were military and not the pic. Instructor time will be added up as pic time. So, again, all pic + sic = tt

drivinghome
12-30-2017, 10:53 AM
I had 4600 hours and 1013 TPIC (3500 part 121 w/ no millitry).

But... I did buy the 737 Type after they dropped the requirement. I have no doubt it would have been another couple years and 1500ish more hours before a call came had I not gotten the type.

4 year degree? Check airman?

tm602
12-30-2017, 02:14 PM
Thanks Prop

spaaks
12-30-2017, 03:50 PM
Log dual received as sic and make a note that that is what you are doing so that your sic + pic = total time. Do the same for any other logged time if you were military and not the pic. Instructor time will be added up as pic time. So, again, all pic + sic = tt

can anyone confirm this is good advice?

spaaks
12-30-2017, 03:56 PM
also, under aeronautical rating, should we be checking both "commercial with instrument" and "ATP Certificate" boxes or just the ATP cert. box if we have an unrestricted ATP?

Sike
12-30-2017, 04:20 PM
Wouldn't it be helpful if this information was actually available on the PC website? How does one come to the conclusion that dual received can be logged as SIC on their own. Unbelievable.

Jiggawatt
12-30-2017, 04:48 PM
AA Pilot Credentials (under Q & A) has a note that very specifically says to count Dual Received as SIC ("SIC (Second In Command) = Any time you acted as second in command and/or didn't sign for the plane.
This DOES include dual/student time.")

SWA doesn't have the same note, but I applied the AA rule and noted on the app that my SIC included Dual Received. Seems reasonable unless there's other guidance out there... of course, I haven't been called by SWA, so I'm not an authority. I believe I saw this addressed a while back and someone more authoritative than me recommended to use AA's guidance for all the Pilot Credential sites.

Riverside
12-30-2017, 04:52 PM
can anyone confirm this is good advice?

Why wouldn't it? Pic and sic equals TT on the site. Then at the interview break down the hours to match TT.

EngineOut
12-30-2017, 08:00 PM
can anyone confirm this is good advice?

That's what I did. No questions about it at the interview. Hired BTW.

G550av8r
12-31-2017, 08:46 AM
It's interesting to look at the hiring philosophies of each airline. Curious as to why they are as such?

It seems that SWA still values plain ole' experience....lots of TPIC and gobs of total time (8000-10000 for civies). I would probably lump FDX and UPS into this lot as well.

UA and DL seem to hire a lot more civilians in the 3-5000 TT range with sometimes little to no PIC. Seems like those that get through are heavily networked. I.E., UA's CP meet & greets and DL's internal referral system. Good ole' boy club still in tact maybe?

Not too sure about AA's hiring philosophy as it seems most of their hires are coming through their regional feed. From what I take, most of their off the street hires are mil.

Either way, should be an interesting 2018. Happy New Year everyone!

Dukeuno
12-31-2017, 09:30 AM
can anyone confirm this is good advice?

If you go to pilotcredtials, there is a tab at the top that says ďcontact usĒ. Click on it and it has two email addresses you can submit your questions to, I have done it and they get back to pretty fast. That way you will get your answers answered correctly by the SWA recruitment team, and not by someone on APC that might be wrong.😎

apu4eva
12-31-2017, 09:49 AM
I must have charmed the heck outta them. I have about 5300 TT. I think what helped me was I've been at the same 135 operator almost 10 years, have a 4 year, and am the Safety Manager.

tm602
12-31-2017, 10:55 AM
If you go to pilotcredtials, there is a tab at the top that says ďcontact usĒ. Click on it and it has two email addresses you can submit your questions to, I have done it and they get back to pretty fast. That way you will get your answers answered correctly by the SWA recruitment team, and not by someone on APC that might be wrong.😎

I'm on my 5th day of no reply:confused:

Turbine
12-31-2017, 12:29 PM
I have a friend hired recently who had just over 5000 TT with zero 121 experience; all charter.
Only had an associates degree, but did have the 737 type.

MG386
01-01-2018, 08:14 AM
Coming up on one year with SW
Hired with,
5000TT
3000TPIC
No check/chief/safety/type
91/135
Bachelor's.

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bitatasg
01-01-2018, 12:25 PM
Hired with:
4300 total
1100 TPIC
10 years at part 91
Check Airman at 91 company and Safety Role
Prior 121/Regional
ERAU 4-year degree

...you really donít need a ton of time.

Dukeuno
01-01-2018, 12:58 PM
Hired with:
4300 total
1100 TPIC
10 years at part 91
Check Airman at 91 company and Safety Role
Prior 121/Regional
ERAU 4-year degree

...you really donít need a ton of time.
It had to be the ERAU 4 year degree that got you the job. ( Jk) :):cool:

drivinghome
01-01-2018, 02:17 PM
Hired with:
4300 total
1100 TPIC
10 years at part 91
Check Airman at 91 company and Safety Role
Prior 121/Regional
ERAU 4-year degree

...you really donít need a ton of time.
Good to know. Thanks. My times are similar. No bachelors though. Not sure what my chances are. Looks like a 4 year is key.

bitatasg
01-01-2018, 03:34 PM
It had to be the ERAU 4 year degree that got you the job. ( Jk) :):cool:

Hahaha! I know it!

Caledon
01-02-2018, 10:38 AM
I'm on my 5th day of no reply:confused:


Curious, any response yet?

amhonline
01-06-2018, 05:57 PM
Hired with:
4300 total
1100 TPIC
10 years at part 91
Check Airman at 91 company and Safety Role
Prior 121/Regional
ERAU 4-year degree

...you really donít need a ton of time.

Similar here.
Hired with:
4000 TT
1200 Jet PIC
All 91/135
No check airman, chief pilot, or other stuff.
Attended an in-house job fair.

Just finishing up my first year and couldn't be happier. Keep after it, it's worth it.

Blackhawk
01-08-2018, 06:23 AM
I got the interview, we shall see how that goes.
I understand what you are saying. Iíve had my stuff in at DAL and UAL for a while with internal recommendations, but not a peep while Iíve seen FOs with zero 121 PIC get hired. Mind you, they were high time FOs and all were great pilots.
Currently 121
10000 TT
4030 121
3400 FW-TPIC
2400 Turbofan PIC
Military IP (RW)
Combat time (donít know if they care)
135 CP/DO
Military company commander
College degree (BA) from top 15 university
Hopefully things will go well next week.



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