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Wheelsoff
01-03-2018, 03:45 AM
A few years ago I was arrested and booked over at the Security Forces squadron on base along with two other squadron mates for “breaking red” (literally a 10 foot section of red line near the grass) walking back to the squadron after doing a FOD walk with maintenance. I’m gonna have my records checked to see whether or not it shows up on anything official, but if so, I’m curious if this would be a deal breaker, or at least a major hindrance from getting my app looked at if I have to check the square saying that I have been arrested before?

Thoughts/recommendations? Thanks!


TheRoboFighter
01-03-2018, 03:59 AM
Several questions here for clarification.

1) Were you arrested or detained?
2) Were you charged?
If so what was the disposition of those charges?
3)Did you retain the paperwork from your booking, and what is the offfical language on it say.
4)Did you retain base legal services?

rickair7777
01-03-2018, 04:00 AM
What came of it? If UCMJ was involved, then there may be a paper trail. Çheck your DD214, discharge character, seperation code, and re enlistment code.

Normally I would say never lie, but military discipline does not exactly correspond to civilian law enforcement. If there wasn't formal UCMJ action, and it didn't affect your DD214, probably not an issue. It probably wasn't even an "arrest" by civilian standards.


Wheelsoff
01-03-2018, 04:29 AM
Several questions here for clarification.

1) Were you arrested or detained?
2) Were you charged?
If so what was the disposition of those charges?
3)Did you retain the paperwork from your booking, and what is the offfical language on it say.
4)Did you retain base legal services?

1) We were handcuffed and searched, then put in the patrol car and taken over to Security Forces where we were detained and questioned separately on the event. Seemed way overboard given what happened but personally I think SF saw the chance to make an example of green suitors and capitalized. So...we were “arrested” but technically detained? We were read rights before questioning.

2/3) Can’t remember if there were official charges or not. After questioning I think we had to sign a piece of paper that I was never given a copy of before we were released.

4) We were given the option to “lawyer up” (which the enlisted Loadmaster did because he was scared), but the other pilot and myself did not because it would have had further legal implications I believe and would have only drug out the process longer, and I had work to go and do back at the squadron. As a side note, my Commander just laughed when I profusely apologized later for the trouble it caused her.

Wheelsoff
01-03-2018, 04:34 AM
What came of it? If UCMJ was involved, then there may be a paper trail. Çheck your DD214, discharge character, seperation code, and re enlistment code.

Normally I would say never lie, but military discipline does not exactly correspond to civilian law enforcement. If there wasn't formal UCMJ action, and it didn't affect your DD214, probably not an issue. It probably wasn't even an "arrest" by civilian standards.

Ya, I agree. We had to sign a piece of paper I believe but wasn't given a copy. After we were detained for questioning and released I never heard anything come of it again, so the UCMJ never was involved I don’t think.

Wheelsoff
01-03-2018, 04:40 AM
Several questions here for clarification.

1) Were you arrested or detained?
2) Were you charged?
If so what was the disposition of those charges?
3)Did you retain the paperwork from your booking, and what is the offfical language on it say.
4)Did you retain base legal services?

Tried responding earlier but didn’t post for some reason...

1) We were handcuffed/searched and then put in the patrol car and booked over at the SF squadron. Once there, we were separated and detained for questioning. I had to sign a piece of paper before I left but was never given a copy of it. I do not think I was officially charged, technically?

2/3) See above

4) We were given the option to “lawyer up” but I believe that had further legal implications if we did so. The enlisted loadmaster did only because I think he was scared. The other pilot and myself did not because we had work to do back at the squadron and did not want to drag the process out any longer than we needed to. A funny sidenote, my commander just laughed at me when I apologized later for how much trouble it caused her.

rickair7777
01-03-2018, 04:54 AM
Ok, that wasn't an arrest IMO.

Check your DD214, and FBI records just to be safe.

TheRoboFighter
01-03-2018, 11:11 AM
Ok, that wasn't an arrest IMO.

Check your DD214, and FBI records just to be safe.

Concur. If it isn’t in any fitness reports, FBI records, or DD214 then it isn’t a arrest.

Spike from flyi
01-03-2018, 01:36 PM
Take my word for this; blow it off. Did it ever go before a federal magistrate? No. They were just trying to frighten you into compliance.

sherpster
01-03-2018, 02:02 PM
As an Army FW guy maybe I should check my file....I walked across various red lines probably 80x in my career. If you dont have a ride for me then I am walking to Base Ops. Those SP's take their job serious, which is good, but they lack common sense.

One time I got in trouble for doing a walk around at McQuire without a flight line badge. I had just landed and taxiied in.

e6bpilot
01-03-2018, 02:09 PM
I have been arrested for the exact same thing by the base keystone kops. Same exact thing happened to me with the paperwork and my CO.
Blow it off. It isn’t an arrest or conviction. I wouldn’t even think about it.
It made for a good bar story and got some laughs since I was bailed out of jail by a brand new LTjg pretending to be my boss. I was back on the streets breaking laws (and hearts) about an hour later.

Wheelsoff
01-03-2018, 05:09 PM
Copy all, thanks for the responses. I went to the local SF squadron at my current base this morning and the cop there said it wasn’t a big deal...he previously was at Kunsan and saw several folks get detained during his stint there for the same exact thing. We both got a good laugh about it.

HuggyU2
01-03-2018, 05:56 PM
This brings back some great memories of friends getting jacked up on the flight line. I got to witness it a couple of times. Great entertainment!!

HiFlyer992
01-03-2018, 06:14 PM
In a previous squadron I had 3 buddies get rolled up on by the cops after parking an aircraft and shutting down after a late night sortie. The AC wasn't having any of it until the overzealous cop had his hand on his weapon and yelling/escalation ensued. They ended up going to the cop shack because they didn't want to get shot by some crazy kid...classic.

Chillpill
01-03-2018, 09:03 PM
What about traffic violations on base where you got ticketed? Does one confess to that?

rickair7777
01-04-2018, 06:16 AM
What about traffic violations on base where you got ticketed? Does one confess to that?

Depends. Some bases now have arrangements with local LE to issue real citations. If you paid a fine, it was a real ticket. If you were processed entirely on the base I don't think it's real. I'm pretty sure those do not get on your state divers record.

trip
01-04-2018, 05:22 PM
Being former Marine we would make it a point to violate the infamous REDLINE when visiting or on det:D

Sliceback
01-05-2018, 08:33 AM
I got busted taking hookers back to the VOQ, overseas base, in a military vehicle. Going away present for a buddy being medic vac’d out. True story.

SP’s - “Hookers in government vehicle is fraud, waste, and abuse.” Ugh. This might be bad. Enlisted guys, apparently they can’t arrest us??? They call for the OOD. Reservist doing x days of AD. Lives near us. “You guys just showed up two days ago, didn’t you?” Yeah. “Tell everyone no hookers in government vehicles, and no locals in vehicles off the main road. Walk them back to the Q and have a good night.” Whew.

JetBlueNewb
01-05-2018, 08:47 AM
Yeah, the red line thing is important but I agree on the no common sense sometimes. When you're a bored SF or MP person sometimes all you need some excitement to break your day up.

And if you see an old man rolling downhill in a wheelchair screaming because he can't stop and he's heading towards the red line... you lock and load I guess.

Didn't the old guy read the sign that says "Use of Deadly Force is Authorized"?

HuggyU2
01-05-2018, 11:36 PM
... some words...
Wait... wuuut???
Not exactly a "red line story". But hey... continue.

crewdawg
01-06-2018, 04:01 AM
If you had been charged with something, you most definitely would have known about it. I would have been walking around looking for the camera and asking people if was on candid camera. Sure you shouldn't have broken red, but common sense applies here. I'm pretty sure I would have just laughed and just kept asking if we were done here.

Sliceback
01-06-2018, 12:03 PM
Wait... wuuut???
Not exactly a "red line story". But hey... continue.

Two invisible red lines that we weren’t briefed on -

1. No hookers in government vehicles(except for official business???).

2. No hookers, or other locals, in vehicles off of the main, open to the public, road through the base.

Pulled over right next to the base theater. If the damn movie hadn't ended when it did we might have been able to keep a lid on the event. Instead we got a lot of knowing smiles from our enlisted troops.



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