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evamodel00
01-04-2018, 07:02 AM
Hey guys, I haven't posted on this forum in a while. To be honest I have flown in a while either (as a private pilot), rentals got expensive by me.

May not be the right place but I am looking for some opinions/advice as I am going to be speaking to a recruiter soon, and want to get as much information as I can both from the recruiter, and outside sources.

I am currently a 27 year old male, with a wife and daughter. I currently work as a programming contractor, and make a very good living through it. I always wanted to join the military, however I never got the chance as I became a father shortly after college (I did not graduate or get a degree).

I still want an opportunity to serve. I want to serve my country, and I want to experience basic training/military life style. However, I can't straight up enlist. I can't take such a large pay cut going in with my current financial situation.

This is why I wondered if the ANG reserve is possibly a good fit for me. I could go to 10 week basic, and then I also saw that technical training is required as well. I then could return to my contracting job, and put in the required 2 weeks and weekends as needed which still allows me the opportunity to serve my community. There is an ANG base very close to my apartment which would allow me to still be close to my family.

Do you know anyone or have any friends who had a similar urge to do this, or went down this path? Were they happy with it?

Am I silly for wanting to do this?

Any opinions/advice are sincerely appreciated. Thank you,


BeatNavy
01-04-2018, 01:30 PM
Lots of good opportunity in the guard and reserve. Note the ANG is separate from the US Air Force Reserve. They are similar. Getting into a flying position takes more commitment (and a degree). What kind of work would you be interested in doing for the ANG (or in the military in general)?

evamodel00
01-04-2018, 05:05 PM
Lots of good opportunity in the guard and reserve. Note the ANG is separate from the US Air Force Reserve. They are similar. Getting into a flying position takes more commitment (and a degree). What kind of work would you be interested in doing for the ANG (or in the military in general)?

Thanks for the response. I don't think I could fly because I can't be an officer, no degree unfortunately.

To be honest I was hoping to maybe just be a guard on base or something in the security line. I'm not really picky though. It was more about just wanting to serve.


ExAF
01-05-2018, 07:10 AM
Thanks for the response. I don't think I could fly because I can't be an officer, no degree unfortunately.

To be honest I was hoping to maybe just be a guard on base or something in the security line. I'm not really picky though. It was more about just wanting to serve.A recruiter's wet dream. I would recommend you have some idea of a career field that would interest you. If not you will end up in whatever career is hurting the most for manning at the time. There's usually a reason for that.

rickair7777
01-05-2018, 12:00 PM
A recruiter's wet dream. I would recommend you have some idea of a career field that would interest you. If not you will end up in whatever career is hurting the most for manning at the time. There's usually a reason for that.

x2.

There are plenty of grown adults in the guard/reserve, for exactly the same reason you have. Do your research, different flavors have different cultures and will have different deployment requirements. That last part you need to understand well.

SaltyDog
01-05-2018, 01:50 PM
This is why I wondered if the ANG reserve is possibly a good fit for me. I could go to 10 week basic, and then I also saw that technical training is required as well. I then could return to my contracting job, and put in the required 2 weeks and weekends as needed which still allows me the opportunity to serve my community. There is an ANG base very close to my apartment which would allow me to still be close to my family.

Do you know anyone or have any friends who had a similar urge to do this, or went down this path? Were they happy with it?

Am I silly for wanting to do this?

Any opinions/advice are sincerely appreciated. Thank you,

Not silly, we are a country of an all volunteer force. Lots of silly people needed :)

https://www.goang.com/careers/find-your-career

See if computer programmer or something along those lines of your interest is in your area ANG base on the search page.
Good luck.
SD

pony172
01-07-2018, 10:21 AM
If you have any computer or cyber skills I highly recommend getting into the cyber security field. This is a huge growth industry in the guard and opportunities abound.

evamodel00
01-08-2018, 06:33 AM
Thanks guys,

I have my recruiter meeting tomorrow so I'm nervous and excited. I don't want to make any rash decisions so I am going to take my time, but she did tell me some very encouraging things (well I hear recruiters do that a lot lol).

My programming job right now pays well, and I am good at it. However, I think one of the reasons I've been more interested in joining is because I want to do something more, maybe a little different. Maybe work a more physical job.

She said I will need to take an aptitude test and once I've done that I'll be able to look through the available jobs to see what interests me. Regardless, 4 months away from my family... ugh... I know that people do it, and I know that people need to do it. But as a guy who hasn't been away from my wife and daughter for even a day since she's been born, that will be a tough one.

ExAF
01-08-2018, 10:06 AM
Regardless, 4 months away from my family... ugh... I know that people do it, and I know that people need to do it. But as a guy who hasn't been away from my wife and daughter for even a day since she's been born, that will be a tough one.Red flag! You do realize that if you elect to serve in the guard or reserve, you will most likely deploy at some point. It will also most likely be for more than a measly 4 months. If you have a problem with that, you best reconsider now rather than after you sign on the dotted line.

evamodel00
01-08-2018, 12:50 PM
Red flag! You do realize that if you elect to serve in the guard or reserve, you will most likely deploy at some point. It will also most likely be for more than a measly 4 months. If you have a problem with that, you best reconsider now rather than after you sign on the dotted line.

I do, and it will be difficult. But I am willing. Part of the package.

badflaps
01-08-2018, 04:50 PM
You are a rare breed, good luck. You should have an idea about a career field. You probably don't want to end up in the cooks or air police. (Not that there is anything wrong with those.):D

evamodel00
01-11-2018, 06:32 AM
So I took my test and did very well on it (Also I am going to clarify since I think I wrote it wrong initially, this is the army national guard, not airforce national guard if that makes much of a difference on your advice).

I read through the list of jobs and 11B/11C were really the only ones that interested me. I feel like my recruiter maybe was trying to point me more in a different direction (intel/comm because I currently work IT). But, one of the reasons I am pursuing this is because I want to do something different. I want to be physical and in the field. The only other thing I'd really rather do is fly but I don't have my degree so that's not an option right now.

At 27, is that too old to join infantry in the guard? I am physically fit, and mentally, well, no worse then anyone else my age I don't think.

Are all my drill sergeants going to be 22 year old dudes? I might find that kind of awkward.

BeatNavy
01-11-2018, 08:39 AM
So I took my test and did very well on it (Also I am going to clarify since I think I wrote it wrong initially, this is the army national guard, not airforce national guard if that makes much of a difference on your advice).

I read through the list of jobs and 11B/11C were really the only ones that interested me. I feel like my recruiter maybe was trying to point me more in a different direction (intel/comm because I currently work IT). But, one of the reasons I am pursuing this is because I want to do something different. I want to be physical and in the field. The only other thing I'd really rather do is fly but I don't have my degree so that's not an option right now.

At 27, is that too old to join infantry in the guard? I am physically fit, and mentally, well, no worse then anyone else my age I don't think.

Are all my drill sergeants going to be 22 year old dudes? I might find that kind of awkward.

You can be a warrant officer and fly helos or king airs in the army with no degree. Look up the Warrant Officer Flight Training program. https://www.nationalguard.com/153a-rotary-wing-aviator

There is the PT aspect and occasional field exercise as an army aviator, and it is definitely different than anything you’re doing now. I was fairly physical/military minded and kind of wanted to go infantry and do all that cool stuff, but after 4 years of military training in college, the limited army stuff we had to do in flight school, and 62 days of ranger school (especially when watching the helos fly support missions for us and then go home each day when I was cold/hungry/tired/miserable), I realize how miserable I’d have been had I gone infantry. Especially as an enlisted guy, your life will suck. Sure there are great dudes who have great careers that they give up to go enlist in the infantry (Pat Tillman), but it’s a crappy life. You’ll spend more time on cleaning details mopping floors, picking up cigarette butts, doing mx in motor pools, cleaning weapons, doing inventories, doing stupid “don’t rape women” classes, and other stupid training than you will doing infantry tactics/physical stuff. And even that stuff isn’t fun after the initial cool factor wears off. I was never infantry in the active duty or guard, but had some good friends from college and ranger school who were. No thanks.

Recruiters HATE when people want to be Warrant officers/Pilots off the street. There is something about the way those types of recruits don’t fill their required slots and it takes a long time to finish the whole training footprint and be a successful “hire” for that recruiter. Many will lie and insist that you enlist first to be a crew chief/mechanic before becoming a warrant officer pilot. If you go the pilot route, you’ll have basic training like any other MOS, WOCS (6 or so week course on how to become a warrant officer), 3 weeks of SERE, and a year or so of flight training. They pay to move you and your family to Ft Rucker and it’s about an 18 month Experience. Your family won’t see you during basic or much if at all during WOCS and SERE. Depending on what you fly you will have to deploy. LUH-72s are the only non-deployable aircraft, so if you get hired by a unit that flies those you won’t deploy, at least not in a flying capacity.

evamodel00
01-11-2018, 09:38 AM
You can be a warrant officer and fly helos or king airs in the army with no degree. Look up the Warrant Officer Flight Training program. https://www.nationalguard.com/153a-rotary-wing-aviator

There is the PT aspect and occasional field exercise as an army aviator, and it is definitely different than anything you’re doing now. I was fairly physical/military minded and kind of wanted to go infantry and do all that cool stuff, but after 4 years of military training in college, the limited army stuff we had to do in flight school, and 62 days of ranger school (especially when watching the helos fly support missions for us and then go home each day when I was cold/hungry/tired/miserable), I realize how miserable I’d have been had I gone infantry. Especially as an enlisted guy, your life will suck. Sure there are great dudes who have great careers that they give up to go enlist in the infantry (Pat Tillman), but it’s a crappy life. You’ll spend more time on cleaning details mopping floors, picking up cigarette butts, doing mx in motor pools, cleaning weapons, doing inventories, doing stupid “don’t rape women” classes, and other stupid training than you will doing infantry tactics/physical stuff. And even that stuff isn’t fun after the initial cool factor wears off. I was never infantry in the active duty or guard, but had some good friends from college and ranger school who were. No thanks.

Recruiters HATE when people want to be Warrant officers/Pilots off the street. There is something about the way those types of recruits don’t fill their required slots and it takes a long time to finish the whole training footprint and be a successful “hire” for that recruiter. Many will lie and insist that you enlist first to be a crew chief/mechanic before becoming a warrant officer pilot. If you go the pilot route, you’ll have basic training like any other MOS, WOCS (6 or so week course on how to become a warrant officer), 3 weeks of SERE, and a year or so of flight training. They pay to move you and your family to Ft Rucker and it’s about an 18 month Experience. Your family won’t see you during basic or much if at all during WOCS and SERE. Depending on what you fly you will have to deploy. LUH-72s are the only non-deployable aircraft, so if you get hired by a unit that flies those you won’t deploy, at least not in a flying capacity.

ahaha I literally texted my recruiter before I even read your second paragraph and almost word for word she repeated what you wrote lol. Yeah no that actually sounds like a very cool opportunity. She told me I should be a mechanic for a year or two and then I could drop my warrant officer packet off once I have some familiarity with the helo. It gives me something to think about. I kind of pushed flying out of my head because it seemed unrealistic. My second choice was tip of the spear. Thank you for the advice! As I said before the main reason I am doing this is to put on the uniform and earn my keep. I just would rather if at all possible not hate what I'm doing.

BeatNavy
01-11-2018, 10:19 AM
ahaha I literally texted my recruiter before I even read your second paragraph and almost word for word she repeated what you wrote lol. Yeah no that actually sounds like a very cool opportunity. She told me I should be a mechanic for a year or two and then I could drop my warrant officer packet off once I have some familiarity with the helo. It gives me something to think about. I kind of pushed flying out of my head because it seemed unrealistic. My second choice was tip of the spear. Thank you for the advice! As I said before the main reason I am doing this is to put on the uniform and earn my keep. I just would rather if at all possible not hate what I'm doing.

I never met any warrant officer pilots who were glad they enlisted first. They all had the same story about how they wish they ran across their recruiter some day and to thank them for the wasted year or three of their life. Even met some enlisted guys who came in under the plan to go warrant and never got approved to do it. Also, lots of infantry guys become warrant pilots...not many pilots go to the infantry (or other career field) if that’s any indication of QOL.

evamodel00
01-11-2018, 10:43 AM
I never met any warrant officer pilots who were glad they enlisted first. They all had the same story about how they wish they ran across their recruiter some day and to thank them for the wasted year or three of their life. Even met some enlisted guys who came in under the plan to go warrant and never got approved to do it. Also, lots of infantry guys become warrant pilots...not many pilots go to the infantry (or other career field) if that’s any indication of QOL.

Just out of curiosity, if they didn't go through their recruiter to apply, how did they do it then? They just went directly to their local WO?

SaltyDog
01-11-2018, 11:04 AM
eva,
I got sucked into the "ANG" which is typically "Air National Guard" and "ARNG" is used to identify our Army National Guard, and the Army typically doesn't call them bases, but the ANG does ;)

Not certain, but guessing there is a different recruiter for the Warrant Officers. You can ask "Can you help me join as a Warrant Officer? or do I need to talk to a different WO recruiter? "
Good fortunes!

BeatNavy
01-11-2018, 11:26 AM
Just out of curiosity, if they didn't go through their recruiter to apply, how did they do it then? They just went directly to their local WO?

They insisted on the “high school to flight school” or “street to seat” WOFT program or they wouldn’t sign anything...most of those guys showed up to their recruiter with a retired military guy to help “facilitate” the discussion. Those guys were all active duty (that’s what I was and what I know...I’m less familiar with ARNG accessions). ARNG may be different. In the ANG, which I’m familiar with, units typically “hire” you then send you to a recruiter for the official accessions. They hire youbfrom their own individual boards and from you showing up to the unit and hanging out. ARNG may be the same. Perhaps an ARNG guy can chime in.

rickair7777
01-11-2018, 12:15 PM
ahaha I literally texted my recruiter before I even read your second paragraph and almost word for word she repeated what you wrote lol. Yeah no that actually sounds like a very cool opportunity. She told me I should be a mechanic for a year or two and then I could drop my warrant officer packet off once I have some familiarity with the helo. It gives me something to think about. I kind of pushed flying out of my head because it seemed unrealistic. My second choice was tip of the spear. Thank you for the advice! As I said before the main reason I am doing this is to put on the uniform and earn my keep. I just would rather if at all possible not hate what I'm doing.

I was of a similar mentality at age 18. Insisted on infantry despite maxed out asvabs and a recruiter who wanted me in a tech field. Fortunately (for me) I also maxed the SAT and got into a service academy.

If WO pilot isn't in the cards, also consider special forces if you want the pointy end. The army/guard does train reserves for that although I'm vague on the process (Navy is way different). You may be able to enlist for that specifically (guaranteed training) and then revert to 11B if you don't make it through. Low completion rate but very rewarding if you make it and are motivated for that sort of thing. SOF is like all the fun of infrantry on steroids, minus most of the BS. Big boy rules all the way. You will deploy, and you will do your job for real though.

BeatNavy
01-11-2018, 12:33 PM
I was of a similar mentality at age 18. Insisted on infantry despite maxed out asvabs and a recruiter who wanted me in a tech field. Fortunately (for me) I also maxed the SAT and got into a service academy.

If WO pilot isn't in the cards, also consider special forces if you want the pointy end. The army/guard does train reserves for that although I'm vague on the process (Navy is way different). You may be able to enlist for that specifically (guaranteed training) and then revert to 11B if you don't make it through. Low completion rate but very rewarding if you make it and are motivated for that sort of thing. SOF is like all the fun of infrantry on steroids, minus most of the BS. Big boy rules all the way. You will deploy, and you will do your job for real though.

Army national guard special forces exists, and you can apply/try off the street. https://www.nationalguard.com/special-forces-non-prior-service-applicants. Just know that the successful completion rate for the street-to-SOF program is a very tiny fraction of those who do it, bc becoming SOF (SF, Ranger, etc.) is hard enough as a prior service infantry guy, but for a guy off the street, no matter how physically fit, is almost insurmountable due to the general military experience needed to have fundamental knowledge of the military and Army doctrine/tactics, techniques, and procedures. But those who fail the program (most) become regular joe infantry. So it’s a cool way to enter the infantry I guess.

Edit-this is to OP, not you Rick.

evamodel00
01-12-2018, 10:28 AM
Thanks for the advice guys! I am in very good shape, but probably not special forces shape/mentality. But I will still ask my recruiter when I meet her next.

I spoke to my boss and he totally fine with the time I'd be away for basic which was very reassuring. Basically whatever I needed, he told me he had me covered.

I am going to fill out my application packet this weekend and hand it into my recruiter on Monday. I am then going to just take a week off to think before I make my final decision.

evamodel00
01-18-2018, 02:42 PM
Hey guys,

Just figured I'd give a quick follow-up. Thanks for all of the thoughts and advice.

I did end up requesting an infantry spot and will go do my physical/oath next week. I will be in the 2-108th infantry division. I asked about the whole special forces thing. One of the recruiters in the office told me that basically if I qualify in like the top 1-2% of the trainees, I can sign up for the training, or something along those lines. Guess I'll just have to give it my all!

On a side note I wasn't excited to hear they don't let you wear contact lenses and instead I get these 3'' thick glasses lol.

BeatNavy
01-18-2018, 02:50 PM
Congrats and good luck.

ItnStln
01-18-2018, 06:17 PM
Recruiters HATE when people want to be Warrant officers/Pilots off the street. There is something about the way those types of recruits don’t fill their required slots and it takes a long time to finish the whole training footprint and be a successful “hire” for that recruiter. Many will lie and insist that you enlist first to be a crew chief/mechanic before becoming a warrant officer pilot.



The same goes for commissioned officers! Every ARNG recruiter I’ve spoken to has insisted that I must enlist first.

ExAF
01-19-2018, 07:47 AM
On a side note I wasn't excited to hear they don't let you wear contact lenses and instead I get these 3'' thick glasses lol.Congrats and good luck. BTW they are called "BC" (Birth Control) Glasses.

evamodel00
01-20-2018, 12:14 PM
Thank you. Some of my motivation is that my grandfather fought in the 10th mountain div. In wwii. I hope hed be proud lol.

evamodel00
01-23-2018, 07:39 AM
*sigh* well I didn't even consider this but I have MEPS the day after tomorrow and I happened to look at 11B on the balance again. and well fantastic: "normal color vision required". Well I guess that's that lol. I mean I knew R/G would limit me in flying, but not keep me from infantry.

ItnStln
01-24-2018, 11:53 AM
*sigh* well I didn't even consider this but I have MEPS the day after tomorrow and I happened to look at 11B on the balance again. and well fantastic: "normal color vision required". Well I guess that's that lol. I mean I knew R/G would limit me in flying, but not keep me from infantry.What happened at MEPS?

evamodel00
01-25-2018, 03:02 PM
What happened at MEPS?

Just got out actually about 2 and a half hours ago funny enough.

I failed the book test, failed the lantern test, but passed the pages that have green or red blocks on them so I was able to still go infantry.

I swore in and ship out in 2 and a half months. It's exciting, and a bit scary. But mostly exciting!

rickair7777
01-25-2018, 03:08 PM
Just got out actually about 2 and a half hours ago funny enough.

I failed the book test, failed the lantern test, but passed the pages that have green or red blocks on them so I was able to still go infantry.

I swore in and ship out in 2 and a half months. It's exciting, and a bit scary. But mostly exciting!

If you're not already, incorporate some functional training into your fitness routine. That will help with resilience and injury prevention, since I assume you're not 19.

evamodel00
01-26-2018, 05:40 AM
If you're not already, incorporate some functional training into your fitness routine. That will help with resilience and injury prevention, since I assume you're not 19.

No sir, 27 going on 28. However, I am in decent shape and am going to the gym everyday. Boxing 2 days a week, lifting/cardio at the gym 3-4 days a week.

I will work in some functional training.

funny enough I was 160 lbs about a year ago and in fantastic shape. I got a concussion sparring though so I had to take a rest. Sedentary life kicked in and I'm 205 right now. All of my friends got fat and happy so I said what the hell and joined in with them. Working my way back down though. Was 215 like 2 weeks ago.

rickair7777
01-26-2018, 06:17 AM
No sir, 27 going on 28. However, I am in decent shape and am going to the gym everyday. Boxing 2 days a week, lifting/cardio at the gym 3-4 days a week.

I will work in some functional training.

funny enough I was 160 lbs about a year ago and in fantastic shape. I got a concussion sparring though so I had to take a rest. Sedentary life kicked in and I'm 205 right now. All of my friends got fat and happy so I said what the hell and joined in with them. Working my way back down though. Was 215 like 2 weeks ago.

Sounds like you're on the right track. Cardio is a given. Everybody practices pushups, pullups, and situps, which of course is good for the fitness test, but a diverse regime including strength and functional will prepare all those little muscles that you're going to use and abuse in day-to-day training activities.

If you're ramping up the running, there's a way to do that to avoid injuries (involves taking breaks, you can google it).

ItnStln
01-31-2018, 08:52 AM
Just got out actually about 2 and a half hours ago funny enough.

I failed the book test, failed the lantern test, but passed the pages that have green or red blocks on them so I was able to still go infantry.

I swore in and ship out in 2 and a half months. It's exciting, and a bit scary. But mostly exciting!Congratulations sir I'm glad to hear it went well for you! Which unit will you be with?

evamodel00
02-01-2018, 10:03 AM
Congratulations sir I'm glad to hear it went well for you! Which unit will you be with?

Thank you!

2-108th infantry in NY.

I have been hitting the gym like no one's business. I watched full metal jacket recently and am hoping that I am not on the receiving end of a "pillow party" lol.

Oh and I also learned I'm a low life loser for wanting to join courtesy of that one teacher in California.

ItnStln
02-10-2018, 11:56 AM
Thank you!

2-108th infantry in NY.

I have been hitting the gym like no one's business. I watched full metal jacket recently and am hoping that I am not on the receiving end of a "pillow party" lol.

Oh and I also learned I'm a low life loser for wanting to join courtesy of that one teacher in California.

Good luck! I've considered joining but every recruiter I spoke to can read straight through my asking about student loan repayment and brushes me off.

evamodel00
02-12-2018, 05:15 AM
Good luck! I've considered joining but every recruiter I spoke to can read straight through my asking about student loan repayment and brushes me off.

Thank you!

Really? I'm kind of surprised. All of the people I've talked to including recruiters try to get you to join by talking through those incentives with people.

Just a small update on the whole thing. Had my first training this weekend. Was great. Definitely was one of the older guys there but I at least had some 25 year olds to talk with who just got out of basic. Very informative and I learned all the basic commands/movements. The biggest thing I got out of the whole thing though was I need inserts for my shoes. I have flat feet and standing all day was absolute hell. Going to fleet feet later to grab some new shoes/inserts.

ItnStln
02-12-2018, 01:15 PM
Thank you!

Really? I'm kind of surprised. All of the people I've talked to including recruiters try to get you to join by talking through those incentives with people.

Just a small update on the whole thing. Had my first training this weekend. Was great. Definitely was one of the older guys there but I at least had some 25 year olds to talk with who just got out of basic. Very informative and I learned all the basic commands/movements. The biggest thing I got out of the whole thing though was I need inserts for my shoes. I have flat feet and standing all day was absolute hell. Going to fleet feet later to grab some new shoes/inserts.You're welcome!

Indeed, but it could be something that they get bonuses for not using perhaps? I'm not certain though. There is a new recruiter so I'll give him a ring this week and see.

Good insoles make all the difference and they're a good investment. I never got the expensive ones, just the Dr Scholl's work ones that Walmart sells. They work fine for me and they're $15 at most.

evamodel00
03-27-2018, 10:20 AM
Shipping in a week. Thanks again for the advice guys! I am 30 lbs down now, 185 @ 5'9'' but a good build, I imagine i'll lose much more weight there. I can already do the PT test requirments for graduation so hopefully the fitness aspect won't be too horrible. Have had 2 RSP drills so far so I learned the very basics of what to expect.

Time to enjoy a very hot spring/summer at ft benning!

ExAF
03-28-2018, 06:52 AM
Go get em! Good luck!

ItnStln
04-10-2018, 08:28 AM
Shipping in a week. Thanks again for the advice guys! I am 30 lbs down now, 185 @ 5'9'' but a good build, I imagine i'll lose much more weight there. I can already do the PT test requirments for graduation so hopefully the fitness aspect won't be too horrible. Have had 2 RSP drills so far so I learned the very basics of what to expect.

Time to enjoy a very hot spring/summer at ft benning!

Good luck!



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