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underpaidpic
01-08-2018, 08:17 AM
I know the merits of buying the type have been beaten to death on this website. So I"m really only looking for suggestion on places to get the type.

It seems that Higher Power Aviation has been bought out or is not in business anymore. Can anyone recommend another place?


Snowflyer
01-08-2018, 08:53 AM
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Smooth at FL450
01-08-2018, 09:32 AM
Curious why you feel it's still necessary? If you've been to a job fair recently, you heard Rocky specifically state not to get the rating, save your money. Follow directions...


hdale
01-08-2018, 09:33 AM
Just want to make sure you know that the type rating is no longer required for employment at SWA anymore.

velosnow
01-08-2018, 09:37 AM
Interesting someone with that handle wants to buy a type...

underpaidpic
01-08-2018, 01:56 PM
Very average resume

College Degree
6000+ total time
1500+ hours 121 PIC
not a check airmen
I don't want to wait another 3-5 years to get 8-10K hours
I personally know 2 guys with my background got calls after getting the type. Its an investment, a way for a average guy to stand out.

But thanks for all the good answers

.......this site has gone downhill for sure

PotatoChip
01-08-2018, 01:59 PM
Very average resume

College Degree
6000+ total time
1500+ hours 121 PIC
not a check airmen
I don't want to wait another 3-5 years to get 8-10K hours
I personally know 2 guys with my background got calls after getting the type. Its an investment, a way for a average white guy to stand out.

But thanks for all the good answers

.......this site has gone downhill for sure

One of my buddies last year thought he had no chance at SWA. Very similar resume to yours. Went to Sun Country and had an interview at SWA within three months of getting the type.

rgr331
01-08-2018, 02:26 PM
Very average resume

College Degree
6000+ total time
1500+ hours 121 PIC
not a check airmen
I don't want to wait another 3-5 years to get 8-10K hours
I personally know 2 guys with my background got calls after getting the type. Its an investment, a way for a average guy to stand out.

But thanks for all the good answers

.......this site has gone downhill for sure

Technically I got mine at ATP in Arlington Tx, but Higher Power had just been purchased by ATP.

https://atpflightschool.com/

I highly suggest it. It will certainly make you stand out, particularly if you have the type with zero experience in the 73.

I was hired with 4600 TT and 1040 TPIC (almost all part 121).

Once hired, you will make the money back in just a few months.

Smooth at FL450
01-08-2018, 02:34 PM
Very average resume

College Degree
6000+ total time
1500+ hours 121 PIC
not a check airmen
I don't want to wait another 3-5 years to get 8-10K hours
I personally know 2 guys with my background got calls after getting the type. Its an investment, a way for a average guy to stand out.

But thanks for all the good answers

.......this site has gone downhill for sure

Have you been to a job fair? Do you update frequently? Have you applied for leadership roles within your company/union? These are all things you can do to make yourself standout without going against the advice of the manger of pilot hiring. But if you feel that getting the type rating is your only option, then I hope it pays off. We're just trying to save you some money and point you in more effective directions.

at6d
01-08-2018, 07:12 PM
FYI most places offering the type now only have the NG option. Youíre looking at 14K.

You may look at FTI in Denver.

velosnow
01-08-2018, 07:50 PM
I just don't believe in perpetuating the PFJ mantra - especially in today's hiring market. You have good numbers, as others say find some other ways to stand out and keep updating. You'll get there.

Otterbox
01-08-2018, 07:53 PM
I know the merits of buying the type have been beaten to death on this website. So I"m really only looking for suggestion on places to get the type.

It seems that Higher Power Aviation has been bought out or is not in business anymore. Can anyone recommend another place?

https://crewpilottraining.com/

Heard good things from buddies about this company.

Bobby
01-08-2018, 08:23 PM
22/28 of my new hire class, less than one year ago, did not have the type. Just sayiní


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slimothy
01-08-2018, 08:48 PM
https://crewpilottraining.com/

Heard good things from buddies about this company.

I had a great experience at Crew Pilot Training. If youíre going to get the type, I highly recommend them.

rgr331
01-08-2018, 09:03 PM
Get the type. There is no doubt it makes you stand out. You will make your investment back almost instantly.

PropCop
01-09-2018, 08:23 AM
I had a great experience at Crew Pilot Training. If youíre going to get the type, I highly recommend them.

Second CPT...itís not comparable to flight safety in regards to facilities and training aids, but they did a great job. Great instruction. Do your part before you show up and it is a breeze.

I did it because once I made the decision to apply, I wanted things to move fast. Not sure I needed it but I wanted to stack the deck....and, it happened very fast. Applied and completed type one day after window closed, updated the app, less than 5 weeks later interviewed, 3 weeks later had the job offer. Only place I applied so I was indeed targeting just SWA. I also had the $ so I did it. If I didnít have specific reasons for SWA, I donít think I would have spent the money.

PotatoChip
01-09-2018, 08:38 AM
Second CPT...itís not comparable to flight safety in regards to facilities and training aids, but they did a great job. Great instruction. Do your part before you show up and it is a breeze.

I did it because once I made the decision to apply, I wanted things to move fast. Not sure I needed it but I wanted to stack the deck....and, it happened very fast. Applied and completed type one day after window closed, updated the app, less than 5 weeks later interviewed, 3 weeks later had the job offer. Only place I applied so I was indeed targeting just SWA. I also had the $ so I did it. If I didnít have specific reasons for SWA, I donít think I would have spent the money.

How long did it take to get the type? What's the time commitment at the facility?
Thanks.

slimothy
01-09-2018, 10:03 AM
How long did it take to get the type? What's the time commitment at the facility?
Thanks.

I did it before the new rules kicked in a few years ago, so Iím not sure what the program looks like now, but it was 10 days back in summer 2014.

PropCop
01-09-2018, 10:36 AM
How long did it take to get the type? What's the time commitment at the facility?
Thanks.

It takes 12 days. You may check a day early. Not sure what youíre asking with the second question....ground school was 2 or 3 really long days into the pm. Remember, you self study before you show up. The way we did it, to get as much exposure as possible, we rode along as the other two trainees flew to watch and learn. We had 4 in the class so we did 8 hours in the sim every single day...that was our choice. You donít have to. But youíd feel stupid to pass on the sim and then fail....we all rode along. Did that answer your question?

PotatoChip
01-09-2018, 11:02 AM
It takes 12 days. You may check a day early. Not sure what youíre asking with the second question....ground school was 2 or 3 really long days into the pm. Remember, you self study before you show up. The way we did it, to get as much exposure as possible, we rode along as the other two trainees flew to watch and learn. We had 4 in the class so we did 8 hours in the sim every single day...that was our choice. You donít have to. But youíd feel stupid to pass on the sim and then fail....we all rode along. Did that answer your question?

Yes. Thank you.
Iím just trying to figure out if it is something I could even accomplish. Doesnít sound like it without any vacation this year.

PropCop
01-09-2018, 11:12 AM
Yes. Thank you.
Iím just trying to figure out if it is something I could even accomplish. Doesnít sound like it without any vacation this year.

I had the same issue and it barely worked out....I chose CPT because they fit my schedule. I was pleased with them.

Skyward
01-09-2018, 03:37 PM
Only 3 people in my class of 28 were typed.

BarrySeal
01-09-2018, 07:51 PM
Technically I got mine at ATP in Arlington Tx, but Higher Power had just been purchased by ATP.

https://atpflightschool.com/

I highly suggest it. It will certainly make you stand out, particularly if you have the type with zero experience in the 73.

I was hired with 4600 TT and 1040 TPIC (almost all part 121).

Once hired, you will make the money back in just a few months.

Looks like Airbus only

22/28 of my new hire class, less than one year ago, did not have the type. Just sayin’

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Only 3 people in my class of 28 were typed.

To take something from Shark Tank, I don't see "the numbers" that reflect that a type is worthwhile. If you won the PowerBall and have ample free time, OK, get it. If you are a working mope with minimal freev vacation days and may put this type on the personal AMEX card, don't think I would do that....

I think the hiring market is different. Maybe I am wrong.

Twinjetav8r
01-10-2018, 06:49 AM
4 of 28 had the type in my class. Three were military and one Sun Country. I wouldnít do it. They say they like guys not having the type so they can train them from scratch.


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at6d
01-10-2018, 10:25 AM
Having the type does in fact add points in the lineup, no question.

The type is not required, and yes times are changing. Two years ago, only 6 in my class did not have the type.

That being said, if all things are mostly equal but one pilot has the type, they will get an interview first.

While it may not make sense financially anymore, being hired a few months earlier can make a big financial and QOL difference down the road.

If you have outside resources to pay for the type, I would do it.

Beech Dude
01-10-2018, 10:57 AM
If you decide to do it, I went with FTI and they were great. They have locs in DEN, DFW, and MIA. I went to MIA as it cost less there (DFW and DEN sim scheduling is full/expensive). I did the 8 day accelerated course. CBT home study prior to showing up, all manuals, cockpit printout, ans checklists on EFB to study prior. Any questions I had they answered and then some. All my IPs were current AA or United line CAs or Instructors. Good luck.

PotatoChip
01-10-2018, 12:21 PM
Directly from SWA:

Q: I have just obtained a B737 Type Rating, how will Southwest evaluate that achievement?

A: Some candidates may have recently received a B737 Type Rating; we understand their commitment and recognize they may be targeting an opportunity at Southwest Airlines. That commitment will not go unrecognized. Even though the type rating is no longer required, it is still beneficial and will continue to have value in the screening process.

TiredSoul
01-10-2018, 12:50 PM
I wasnít given the time of day by SW and that was with a 73 type and flying it. Year ago.
Go figure.

Smokey23
01-10-2018, 03:40 PM
Okay, how many old cliches do I have to roll out about a pilot and his/her seniority? :eek:

To those who genuinely want to work here: Almost EVERY WEEK this airline is hiring more than 20 pilots who will be senior to you FOR THE REST OF YOUR CAREER!!! I'm an old, senior SOB who is probably not the best source of up-to-date info for wannabees, but if the type is still moving the needle on whether you get the call sooner than later (and from what PropCop and some others are saying, it sounds like it still is), then get the @#$$%& type....like yesterday! It's still a small expense in the grand scheme, IMHO.

BarrySeal
01-10-2018, 06:49 PM
I wasnít given the time of day by SW and that was with a 73 type and flying it. Year ago.
Go figure.

At that time:

College Degree?
Leadership roles, check airman, etc ?
Turbine PIC - how much

(for our own Situational Awareness)

Prussian
01-10-2018, 06:50 PM
I wasnít given the time of day by SW and that was with a 73 type and flying it. Year ago.
Go figure.

Attitude says a lot. Mighta been the issue??

captjns
01-10-2018, 07:14 PM
Directly from SWA:

Q: I have just obtained a B737 Type Rating, how will Southwest evaluate that achievement?

A: Some candidates may have recently received a B737 Type Rating; we understand their commitment and recognize they may be targeting an opportunity at Southwest Airlines. That commitment will not go unrecognized. Even though the type rating is no longer required, it is still beneficial and will continue to have value in the screening process.

Is this Q & A from the Southwest Community website?... or is this directly from the careers and requirements site?

PotatoChip
01-10-2018, 07:15 PM
Is this Q & A from the Southwest Community website?... or is this directly from the careers and requirements site?

From the Questions tab on swa.pilotcredentials

BarrySeal
01-12-2018, 09:57 AM
what are the more cost effective type schools ?

thanks

Beech Dude
02-24-2018, 12:21 PM
what are the more cost effective type schools ?

thanks

FTI usually offers seasonal deals. They offered an $8900 accelerated course for A320 & B737NG when I went with them.

TCASTESTOK
02-24-2018, 05:13 PM
Just want to make sure you know that the type rating is no longer required for employment at SWA anymore.
Why was the type even required in the first place? The only pilots I think would have it would have either bought it or came over from another major or maybe a 135 that used 73s. Since most pilots trying to get into SWA were regionals I couldnt see them having a 73 type. But WHY did SWA want an insane number of TPIC time?

Down2Wire
02-24-2018, 06:08 PM
The reason why ATP/HP stopped training guys on the 737 - they were using Boeing's manuals illegally. Boeing either sued or threatened to sue = FAA pulled their certificate.

Yes type will help. No doubt about it. Applicants with type = more competitive and getting calls to interview.

Rumor is WN will reinstate the requirement for the 737 type.

slimothy
02-24-2018, 07:37 PM
Why was the type even required in the first place? The only pilots I think would have it would have either bought it or came over from another major or maybe a 135 that used 73s. Since most pilots trying to get into SWA were regionals I couldnt see them having a 73 type. But WHY did SWA want an insane number of TPIC time?

I wasnít around when this happened, but apparently many airlines used to make you pay for all of your training, so once upon a time, making guys pay to get the type wasnít so weird. And if I had to guess, the market used to allow SWA to demand such high mins, with every other show in town furloughing, they could be as selective as they wanted. The market has changed, so theyíve adjusted. Just my best guess.

at6d
02-24-2018, 09:47 PM
The training program for new hires also assumed you had the type.

iHateAMR
02-25-2018, 02:41 AM
Rumor is WN will reinstate the requirement for the 737 type.

Southwest doesnít have a 4 year degree requirement, wouldnít they reinstate that first to cut down the applicant pool?

ZapBrannigan
02-25-2018, 03:40 AM
They wonít reinstate the type requirement again. They are already trying to figure out how they can compete in recruitment with legacy airlines that offer flowthroughs (cradle to grave employment), comparatively rapid upgrade, variety of fleet types and flying. I suspect they are very concerned that the only candidates that they will attract in the next decade or so are those who were unsuccessful at getting hired by the legacies and who donít have a flow in their pocket.


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Squallrider
02-25-2018, 03:57 AM
Southwest doesnít have a 4 year degree requirement, wouldnít they reinstate that first to cut down the applicant pool?

Southwest applicant pool is only around 5000 according to a recruiter, which is a lot but when you consider those apps are at other airlines too itís not that many

iHateAMR
02-25-2018, 05:45 AM
Southwest applicant pool is only around 5000 according to a recruiter, which is a lot but when you consider those apps are at other airlines too itís not that many

I guess that puts an end to the reinstating the type rumor!

flensr
02-25-2018, 08:06 AM
Southwest applicant pool is only around 5000 according to a recruiter, which is a lot but when you consider those apps are at other airlines too itís not that many

Too soon to hope for an out-of-cycle pay raise? :)

Squallrider
02-25-2018, 10:16 AM
I guess that puts an end to the reinstating the type rumor!

I think itís highly unlikely, why would a candidate for SWA spend 10k on a type if they can just as easily get hired by delta / UA etc without it, swa is in no way inferior to the others in my opinion The great thing about southwest is that 5000 is a true reflection since they dump old apps every cycle where other airlines their app pool includes ppl that donít need a new job anymore.

Proximity
02-25-2018, 10:22 AM
The great thing about southwest is that 5000 is a true reflection since they dump old apps every cycle where other airlines their app pool includes ppl that donít need a new job anymore.

When legacy airlines mention their app numbers, they only count people who have updated in the last six months. So it's fair to compare numbers between Southwest and the legacies.

Peacock
02-25-2018, 12:04 PM
Zero chance they reinstate the type requirement. New hires with the type are already the minority, and theyíve been revamping training specifically for people who arenít typed.

Biggest reason is supply and demand though, as mentioned earlier.

Coool Hand Luke
08-04-2018, 10:01 AM
The reason why ATP/HP stopped training guys on the 737 - they were using Boeing's manuals illegally. Boeing either sued or threatened to sue = FAA pulled their certificate.

Yes type will help. No doubt about it. Applicants with type = more competitive and getting calls to interview.

Rumor is WN will reinstate the requirement for the 737 type.

This is a completely false and incorrect post. Now Iíve got to go back and see what else you are spewing on here that is equally false and incorrect.