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Voski
01-09-2018, 01:20 AM
I'm a military helicopter transitioning from active duty to the regional airlines. I've already got all my prerequisites and fixed-wing instructor ratings completed and will be starting my new job within the year.

That said, I've got 100% (36 months) of Post-9/11 GI Bill benefits available and would like to put them to use. A masters degree or additional type rating makes the most sense, but I'm curious if anyone has any recommendations as to what to pursue and in what order/priority in order to help bolster one's application for a major airline. Even outside of an additional degree or aircraft type, perhaps there are some interesting uses for the benefit that can be put to use.

Looking forward to the input!


Dragon7
01-09-2018, 05:02 AM
Your oldest kid’s college while in first year major pay.

Hacker15e
01-09-2018, 06:35 AM
Your oldest kid’s college while in first year major pay.

This.

Hopefully you've made your GI bill transferable to your dependents, as *that* is the best use of it in the big picture.

There's really nothing in terms of type ratings or other aviation qualifications (since you apparently already have your ATP and CFI/II/MEI) that is going to tangibly help you make the leap to career destination airline faster.

Theoretically, you could get a Masters with it, but I don't think that really adds enough value to be worth the money spent (especially compared to what that will be worth to send your kids through college).


thrust
01-09-2018, 07:12 AM
This.

Hopefully you've made your GI bill transferable to your dependents, as *that* is the best use of it in the big picture.
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Some of us don’t want to incur any additional commitment to the military by transferring the GI Bill to our kids, given the latest about non-vol non-flying 180s/365s to the ARC. Also, you assume the GI Bill, in its current form, will exist in 15+ years when my kids could use it.

Would be interesting to see how painful it would be to get an additional masters (or bachelors) in-residence in something easy/low workload and supplement first year pay in a high COL area with some nice E-5 BAH...

Hacker15e
01-09-2018, 07:43 AM
Some of us don’t want to incur any additional commitment to the military by transferring the GI Bill to our kids, given the latest about non-vol non-flying 180s/365s to the ARC. Also, you assume the GI Bill, in its current form, will exist in 15+ years when my kids could use it.

Would be interesting to see how painful it would be to get an additional masters (or bachelors) in-residence in something easy/low workload and supplement first year pay in a high COL area with some nice E-5 BAH...

If you're just going to not otherwise use your GI Bill, then feel free to go find something to use it on.

Just don't think -- especially if you are a KC-10 guy as your avatar indicates -- that a random advanced degree or a type rating with no time in the aircraft is going to tangibly increase your chances of getting an interview call. Given two otherwise equally qualified applicants, yes a masters or an additional type rating might be a tie breaker. But, in the current hiring environment, both applicants are probably getting interview calls.

That being said, I'd have to question the sense of the plan to go get an in-residence degree while on probation at an airline job, E-5 BAH or not.

rickair7777
01-09-2018, 11:41 AM
In this order....

FAA ratings, if needed.

Masters degree. Will add points to your airline app, and aid promotion in the reserves. Also useful if you lose your medical.

If you don't need it any of that, kids college.

If none of the above, self fulfillment.

Spike from flyi
01-09-2018, 12:53 PM
If you have kids with college aspirations/potential, I understand that you will realize the most benefit from this option. If you are seriously considering a graduate degree, the only one I would recommend for someone who intends to fly for a living is law school. You will experience a whole new world of scum you will work for. They will use every trick (legal and illegal) to cheat you out of your pay. You and your colleagues will be well served if you are prepared to fight management the way they choose to fight you. Any other graduate degree for a pilot is WORTHLESS.

thrust
01-09-2018, 04:39 PM
If you're just going to not otherwise use your GI Bill, then feel free to go find something to use it on.

Just don't think -- especially if you are a KC-10 guy as your avatar indicates -- that a random advanced degree or a type rating with no time in the aircraft is going to tangibly increase your chances of getting an interview call. Given two otherwise equally qualified applicants, yes a masters or an additional type rating might be a tie breaker. But, in the current hiring environment, both applicants are probably getting interview calls.

That being said, I'd have to question the sense of the plan to go get an in-residence degree while on probation at an airline job, E-5 BAH or not.

Hence why I said “easy/low workload”. You’d be delusional to get a “real” degree while on probation, I agree.

rickair7777
01-10-2018, 04:15 AM
If you have kids with college aspirations/potential, I understand that you will realize the most benefit from this option. If you are seriously considering a graduate degree, the only one I would recommend for someone who intends to fly for a living is law school. You will experience a whole new world of scum you will work for. They will use every trick (legal and illegal) to cheat you out of your pay. You and your colleagues will be well served if you are prepared to fight management the way they choose to fight you. Any other graduate degree for a pilot is WORTHLESS.

No, it will add points to your app. Maybe the difference between getting called next month or next year, or retiring from DAL but vice jetblue.

Getting hired requires a full court press, every advantage counts. Your competition isn't pulling any punches. If you have time and the GI Bill is paying, might as well.

Spike from flyi
01-11-2018, 04:30 PM
No, it will add points to your app. Maybe the difference between getting called next month or next year, or retiring from DAL but vice jetblue.

Getting hired requires a full court press, every advantage counts. Your competition isn't pulling any punches. If you have time and the GI Bill is paying, might as well.

Says the twenty-year CRJ pilot.

BeatNavy
01-11-2018, 05:17 PM
Uh oh. Ruler time.

rickair7777
01-11-2018, 05:52 PM
Says the twenty-year CRJ pilot.

Not that long, and mostly by choice. But I gave it up and moved on.

As a reserve unit leader seen lots of guys transitioning from AD, through the regionals, and on to majors, including me.

Han Solo
01-24-2018, 05:55 AM
If at all possible, transfer to your kids so when your daughter picks the gucci-boutique art school that totals $50k+/year so she can become a barista, at least neither of you will be saddled with $200k debt. Ask me how I know.

rickair7777
01-24-2018, 07:01 AM
If at all possible, transfer to your kids so when your daughter picks the gucci-boutique art school that totals $50k+/year so she can become a barista, at least neither of you will be saddled with $200k debt. Ask me how I know.

I told my kids I'd pony up commensurate with the value of the school and the degree (and they have to keep the grades up).

Han Solo
01-24-2018, 08:24 AM
I told my kids I'd pony up commensurate with the value of the school and the degree (and they have to keep the grades up).

Post 9-11 GI bill + Yellow Ribbon program is a lifesaver to my wallet. It looks like I'll only be out a few thousand dollars a year due to the high cost of living in Savannah. I'm a huge proponent of a solid STEM degree and I've made my opinion known but I won't withhold funding because I disagree with my kids' choices.

rickair7777
01-24-2018, 10:58 AM
Post 9-11 GI bill + Yellow Ribbon program is a lifesaver to my wallet. It looks like I'll only be out a few thousand dollars a year due to the high cost of living in Savannah. I'm a huge proponent of a solid STEM degree and I've made my opinion known but I won't withhold funding because I disagree with my kids' choices.

They'll get a degree, but not at $60K/year for a low-end liberal arts degree. If they want the gucci campus, that's an incentive perk which goes along with a marketable degree. One kid downshifted majors, but wanted to stay at the name-brand school. He dropped out for a year, got a job and in-state residency, and then came back with a much lower tuition. All worked out, and he learned some things to boot.

IMO having fun in college is incidental, the priority is getting set up for life.

They'll thank me later when they get their inheritance.



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