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SonicFlyer
01-16-2018, 07:06 AM
The US government has upheld a 300% tariff on the C-Series aircraft:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/20/us-confirms-300-percent-duties-on-disputed-bombardier-jets-a-win-for-boeing.html


SonicFlyer
01-16-2018, 07:06 AM
The Canadian government has filed a complaint with the WTO over the tariff:

Canada Files WTO Complaint Against US in Boeing-Bombardier Dispute (NYSE: BA) - 24/7 Wall St. (http://247wallst.com/aerospace-defense/2018/01/11/canada-files-wto-complaint-against-us-in-boeing-bombardier-dispute/)

CBreezy
01-16-2018, 07:41 AM
The US government has upheld a 300% tariff on the C-Series aircraft:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/20/us-confirms-300-percent-duties-on-disputed-bombardier-jets-a-win-for-boeing.html

This was expected. There is still another hearing with the US International Trade Commission which must prove harm to Boeing.


hilltopflyer
01-16-2018, 08:26 AM
But it still shouldn't mess with the Alabama production correct? All this would bypass any tariff?

CBreezy
01-16-2018, 08:32 AM
But it still shouldn't mess with the Alabama production correct? All this would bypass any tariff?

This is correct. SonicFlyer likes to post irrelevant articles that occured in the past. He's either incredibly uninformed or trolling.

jcountry
01-16-2018, 04:24 PM
How would this tariff stop a Canadian owner from just leasing the planes to a US airline?

galaxy flyer
01-16-2018, 05:26 PM
How would this tariff stop a Canadian owner from just leasing the planes to a US airline?

The plane must be imported at some point, thatís when the tariff kicks in, when it goes on the US registry. And it must be on the registry.

GF

hilltopflyer
01-18-2018, 10:04 AM
The plane must be imported at some point, thatís when the tariff kicks in, when it goes on the US registry. And it must be on the registry.

GF

Hence why the mobile plant makes this a mute point except for capacity of building each one.

GogglesPisano
01-18-2018, 11:19 AM
The C-Series will have more US-manufactured parts than the 787 after the Mobile plant takes over.

Geardownflaps30
01-18-2018, 11:36 AM
Hence why the mobile plant makes this a mute point except for capacity of building each one.

"moot" perhaps?

Jughead135
01-18-2018, 12:18 PM
"moot" perhaps?


No. "Moo."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iObtPBh3NXs

iObtPBh3NXs

hilltopflyer
01-18-2018, 08:20 PM
"moot" perhaps?

Siri audible speech to text.

Hossharris
01-19-2018, 02:40 AM
Siri audible speech to text.

So you know how to spell it, just not how to pronounce it....

hilltopflyer
01-19-2018, 03:45 AM
So you know how to spell it, just not how to pronounce it....

Yep my country twang and Siri don't mix well.

Ray Red
01-19-2018, 08:34 AM
"moot" perhaps?

Thanks for nipping than one in the butt

FL370esq
01-19-2018, 11:54 AM
"moot" perhaps?

"Moo point" perhaps?

"Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo." --Joey Tribbiani

tomgoodman
01-19-2018, 01:36 PM
"Moo point" perhaps?

"Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo." --Joey Tribbiani

Or, perhaps, a Mu point. It got lost. :p

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/517Kyy7bjhL._SX339_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

SonicFlyer
01-20-2018, 09:23 AM
This is correct. SonicFlyer likes to post irrelevant articles that occured in the past. He's either incredibly uninformed or trolling.You obviously didn't look at the date of the articles I posted. :rolleyes:

CBreezy
01-20-2018, 10:33 AM
You obviously didn't look at the date of the articles I posted. :rolleyes:

I did. Last month. You posted a news article from something that happened a month ago. You know the root of news? It's new. Nothing has changed since this happened in mid December and wasn't even really a change from the initial ruling months ago.

80ktsClamp
01-20-2018, 10:30 PM
Thanks for nipping than one in the butt

You mean nippling it in the butt?

crewdawg
01-21-2018, 01:11 AM
Thanks for nipping than one in the butt

What you did there...I see and applaud it.

hilltopflyer
01-26-2018, 11:20 AM
Court ruled in favor of bombardier. Great news for all the airlines wanting this plane. Especially delta

Riverside
01-26-2018, 11:21 AM
Court ruled in favor of bombardier. Great news for all the airlines wanting this plane. Especially delta

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/110897-bombardier-wins-boeing-loses.html

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/103850-c-series-info-200.html#post2511042

hilltopflyer
01-26-2018, 11:26 AM
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/110897-bombardier-wins-boeing-loses.html

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/103850-c-series-info-200.html#post2511042

I don't look at the delta section. Sorry

SonicFlyer
01-26-2018, 11:38 AM
Looks like Boeing lost?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/26/boeing-loses-trade-case-over-bombardier-passenger-jets.html

Pogey Bait
01-26-2018, 12:04 PM
From a pilots perspective, what has everyone been hearing about this new flying machine? Big engines, big wing, and big brakes, or not so much?

John Carr
01-26-2018, 12:51 PM
From a pilots perspective, what has everyone been hearing about this new flying machine? Big engines, big wing, and big brakes, or not so much?

Who cares? As long as the paycheck is BIG.

Floobs
01-26-2018, 12:52 PM
Good, boeing makes crappy airplanes.

atpcliff
01-26-2018, 02:13 PM
From a pilots perspective, what has everyone been hearing about this new flying machine? Big engines, big wing, and big brakes, or not so much?

The pilot flight reviews have been phenomenal. WAY better than any Boeing or Airbus product.

The pax reviews have been very good.

The CS-100 can depart from London City and fly nonstop to Montreal.

FlyingSlowly
01-26-2018, 03:00 PM
Boeing really screwed themselves on this one. Their trade complaint put the C-Series into the hands of Airbus.

Now, not only does Airbus have a superior product to anything that Boeing offers in the 110 to 150+ pax segment, but two more things:

1) Now they can produce the C-Series like hotcakes...TWO ASSEMBLY LINES in North America.

2) When the CS500 is released (which can happen quicker now with Airbus around), Boeing can wave good-by to MAX7 sales and might even have a hard time selling their MAX8...the CASM on a CS500 by comparison will reveal the MAX8 as the resurrected relic from the 1960s that it truly is...

2StgTurbine
01-26-2018, 06:05 PM
The CS-100 can depart from London City and fly nonstop to Montreal.

On a ferry flight it can. But it can't do that with enough passengers to make a profit. Still an impressive aircraft though.

galaxy flyer
01-26-2018, 06:09 PM
On a ferry flight it can. But it can't do that with enough passengers to make a profit. Still an impressive aircraft though.

It was loaded on the demo to account for 48 in a business class layout. Can 48 J class make a profit is another story. It was designed for that flight. I know the guys that flew it. Just sayin’.

GF

2StgTurbine
01-26-2018, 06:22 PM
Can 48 J class make a profit is another story.

No it can't. Sure, an airline could create a fleet for that very niche market. Those planes would need a unique cabin layout that really only made sense on that route. Since airlines expect a cabin interior to last for 8-15 years, that means that niche market must be expected to last that long. That market is already saturated with plenty of airlines that already have aircraft that are better suited for that route.

The C-Series is best suited for short flights or long flights with low demand. That was a publicity demo because people are more familiar with the North Atlantic market than they are with RDU to PDX.

galaxy flyer
01-26-2018, 06:45 PM
I’d agree British has already shown that the market for LCY-NYC is small, but your argument was the plane can’t do it non-stop with a passenger load. Fact is, it can, it’s done it and it’s the only plane that can unless you can show me an A318 non-stop CFP. BA has been running that route with 2 special A318s for years with a SNN stop.

Yes, it’s really for shorter routes (under 1,200 nm) or long, thin routes (under 2,500nm)

GF

2StgTurbine
01-26-2018, 07:25 PM
I didn't say it couldn't do it with a passenger load, I said it couldn't do it with a passenger load that makes a profit.

...itís done it and itís the only plane that can...

I don't get your point. There are plenty of planes that can do that route. What I am saying is that there are better planes for that route.

Saying the C-Series can fly from London to NYC nonstop is the same as saying the new ford can tow 30,000 lbs. Sure it could, but if someone really needs to tow that weight all the time, they should get something else.

There are not many C-Series and if an airline is going to buy some, they are going to place them on the best routes they can for that plane. The only time we will see the C-Series doing London to NYC is when an airline has more C-Series than they need to do long and thin routes.

Baradium
01-26-2018, 07:36 PM
I didn't say it couldn't do it with a passenger load, I said it couldn't do it with a passenger load that makes a profit.



I don't get your point. There are plenty of planes that can do that route. What I am saying is that there are better planes for that route.

Saying the C-Series can fly from London to NYC nonstop is the same as saying the new ford can tow 30,000 lbs. Sure it could, but if someone really needs to tow that weight all the time, they should get something else.

There are not many C-Series and if an airline is going to buy some, they are going to place them on the best routes they can for that plane. The only time we will see the C-Series doing London to NYC is when an airline has more C-Series than they need to do long and thin routes.

You don't know about London City Airport, do you?

galaxy flyer
01-26-2018, 07:44 PM
LCY is 4948í TODA/ASDA with obstacles and 5.5 degree glide slope, located right downtown, FYI. The C is the largest approved plane.

GF

2StgTurbine
01-26-2018, 08:14 PM
I do understand the challenges of LCY. What I have continued to say is that the C-Series will not be used for that route in the foreseeable future. It is impressive that it can do that route, but it is more impressive on routes that can fill 100+ seats. It requires a lot of money to create the infrastructure required to fly a North Atlantic route and it takes more than 50 passengers to make it worthwhile.

Aero1900
01-26-2018, 08:43 PM
This is a huge win for Delta, right? They ordered 75 of them and got them dirt cheap.

Baradium
01-26-2018, 09:18 PM
I do understand the challenges of LCY. What I have continued to say is that the C-Series will not be used for that route in the foreseeable future. It is impressive that it can do that route, but it is more impressive on routes that can fill 100+ seats. It requires a lot of money to create the infrastructure required to fly a North Atlantic route and it takes more than 50 passengers to make it worthwhile.

I'll try again.

British Airways does London City airport transatlantic in a/c configured for 50 seats. Apparently they find it worthwhile with 50 passengers at the rates they can get for that service, and I wonder how old their A318s are at this point. But it wouldn't make sense for Bombardier to want to sell to them I guess.

galaxy flyer
01-27-2018, 06:32 AM
The reason BA flies it is due to Canary Wharf and The City. Cross rail might kill it. They have to stop at SNN, which actually might be an advantage. Itís a horrible place to operate a bizjet, but those with money to burn, donít care. There will be niche markets for the capability, esp in Europe, Florence for one.

GF

captjns
01-29-2018, 04:05 AM
The reason BA flies it is due to Canary Wharf and The City. Cross rail might kill it. They have to stop at SNN, which actually might be an advantage. It’s a horrible place to operate a bizjet, but those with money to burn, don’t care. There will be niche markets for the capability, esp in Europe, Florence for one.

GF

All is good... Big Boeing lost the battle. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Boeing EMB deal goes away now.

https://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/101/3907-full.html?ET=avweb:e3907:311700a:&st=email#230236

full of luv
01-30-2018, 10:33 AM
All is good... Big Boeing lost the battle. I wouldnít be surprised if the Boeing EMB deal goes away now.

https://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/101/3907-full.html?ET=avweb:e3907:311700a:&st=email#230236

But if airbus goes ahead with the 51% ownership of the c-series as they said they would then Boeing would just be ceding any market share for aircraft smaller than a 737-700 (if they even make those any more).
Youíd think Boeing would want the new ejet to have something to compete with.



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