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rotorjockey3
01-26-2018, 07:15 AM
I'm just trying to get a feel for the amount of flying you will get from each base. I have heard that DFW based pilots are getting about 20 hours per month, but LGA based are getting to fly about 80 per month.

What kind of flight hours can be expected at each base?


MD-11Loader
01-26-2018, 07:22 AM
As little as possible. Getting displaced rocks. :)

Boogerface
01-27-2018, 04:38 AM
I'm just trying to get a feel for the amount of flying you will get from each base. I have heard that DFW based pilots are getting about 20 hours per month, but LGA based are getting to fly about 80 per month.

What kind of flight hours can be expected at each base?

Are you talking about being on reserve? Lineholders don't fly 20 hours per month unless they drop trips (which never get approved), call in sick, or as the previous poster said, get displaced. I'm not sure what the average line value at DFW is, but it's well over minimum guarantee of 72 hours/month.


MD-11Loader
01-27-2018, 07:03 AM
As a lineholder in ORD I am always over guarantee, and then have the option to pick up OT. I have flown 95 hours some months and as little as 35 others. It all depends on how much you want to work.

UnderCenter
01-27-2018, 07:36 AM
As a lineholder in ORD I am always over guarantee, and then have the option to pick up OT. I have flown 95 hours some months and as little as 35 others. It all depends on how much you want to work.

Is this pretty consistent across the company? How much does this differ based on base, seat, equipment etc.?

ENH017
01-27-2018, 07:42 AM
Is this pretty consistent across the company? How much does this differ based on base, seat, equipment etc.?

145 FO, ORD. I can agree with MD-11, only thing to add is OT was a little more scarce this month (makes sense with flying being down overall this time of year).

1704LIFE
01-27-2018, 09:05 AM
In DFW 170 the OT is kinda ugly...3 hour 2 days...is the OT situation any good at other bases?

FullThrust
01-27-2018, 09:13 AM
Less than 25 hours a month on reserve in ORD 145 FO. I flew ~15 hours in December

UnderCenter
01-27-2018, 09:13 AM
145 FO, ORD. I can agree with MD-11, only thing to add is OT was a little more scarce this month (makes sense with flying being down overall this time of year).

Thatís good to hear. Iíve been reading here about lines that barely meet min guarantee and not being able to pick up extra flying and that kind of concerned me. Im looking at an April class date and that is probably one of my biggest concerns so far about Envoy. Just trying to get in and fly to boost the resume.

havick206
01-27-2018, 09:55 AM
Thatís good to hear. Iíve been reading here about lines that barely meet min guarantee and not being able to pick up extra flying and that kind of concerned me. Im looking at an April class date and that is probably one of my biggest concerns so far about Envoy. Just trying to get in and fly to boost the resume.

LGA FO - flown roughly 850 hours since March 2017

ParkingatMIA
01-27-2018, 01:57 PM
On the 175 last year I averaged about 60 flight hours a month, went on reserve starting January, Iím at 10 hours and hope to keep it around that for the rest of the year

402FreightDog
01-27-2018, 03:12 PM
On the 175 last year I averaged about 60 flight hours a month, went on reserve starting January, Iím at 10 hours and hope to keep it around that for the rest of the year
I think there is a race to be at the bottom of the flight time list.

DanRoman
01-27-2018, 04:08 PM
I think there is a race to be at the bottom of the flight time list.

And it will stay that way until changes are made. Donít worry though, high value aviators are inbound to save the day!

MD-11Loader
01-27-2018, 04:09 PM
I think there is a race to be at the bottom of the flight time list.

Yup. I am not upgrading until I want to upgrade. This mandatory stuff is for the birds. I have a good QOL and make decent money, so once the summer is over, then maybe I will allow myself to pass 1000 hours. Fix the reserve system and maybe I will think about it.

Virga show
01-27-2018, 05:25 PM
LGA FO - flown roughly 850 hours since March 2017

Congratulations on working hard and getting paid the same as everybody else.

havick206
01-27-2018, 05:37 PM
Congratulations on working hard and getting paid the same as everybody else.

How do you figure? Credit hours and hours flown are significantly different as you would know yourself.

I think Iíve averaged about 78 actual Flight hours a month, credited an average of 120-130 a month. Only once went down to min days off, most other months Iíve had 12-13 days at home which includes picking up some OT. Admittedly living in base makes life a lot easier as it doesnít really matter when you start or finish.

Virga show
01-27-2018, 06:03 PM
How do you figure? Credit hours and hours flown are significantly different as you would know yourself.

I think Iíve averaged about 78 actual Flight hours a month, credited an average of 120-130 a month. Only once went down to min days off, most other months Iíve had 12-13 days at home which includes picking up some OT. Admittedly living in base makes life a lot easier as it doesnít really matter when you start or finish.

Iím not talking about credit vs actual time flown. Iím talking about getting 850 hours in less than a year of flying. Most of the people on here would consider you working your A$$ off or you must really want to upgrade.

havick206
01-27-2018, 06:13 PM
Iím not talking about credit vs actual time flown. Iím talking about getting 850 hours in less than a year of flying. Most of the people on here would consider you working your A$$ off or you must really want to upgrade.

How does that equate to working more for the same pay as per your previous post? That just doesnít add up.

Virga show
01-27-2018, 06:24 PM
How does that equate to working more for the same pay as per your previous post? That just doesnít add up.

Because I flew 365 hours in a year including lots of overtime and got paid the same or close to the same as you. Hence the 75 hour of pay we get each month no matter what flying we do, plus any Overtime BUT I ONLY FLEW 36 hours that month you flew 78 actual hours in the airplane I flew 36 but we both made at least 75 hrs guarantee

havick206
01-27-2018, 06:29 PM
Because I flew 365 hours in a year including lots of overtime and got paid the same or close to the same as you. Hence the 75 hour of pay we get each month no matter what flying we do, plus any Overtime BUT I ONLY FLEW 36 hours that month you flew 78 actual hours in the airplane I flew 36 but we both made at least 75 hrs guarantee

That still doesnít add up. How many hours per month do you credit on average?

Virga show
01-27-2018, 07:30 PM
That still doesnít add up. How many hours per month do you credit on average?

Average around 95 to 100 maybe more pending on how much OT is available. I understand because you hold a line you can have more days off and therefore pick up more OT than someone on reserve but at the end of the day while your getting 120 hours of credit and Iím getting 100 hours of credit, Iím only Flying 36 hours total that month while if your flying a line you are probably do 75-80 hours of flying plus any overtime you pick up on the side. All Iím saying is while you are working to get the 120 hours of credit Iím sitting at home and working 3-4 days a month as a senior FO on reserve getting close to 100 hours of credit.

HoustonPilot
01-27-2018, 07:39 PM
Average around 95 to 100 maybe more pending on how much OT is available. I understand because you hold a line you can have more days off and therefore pick up more OT than someone on reserve but at the end of the day while your getting 120 hours of credit and Iím getting 100 hours of credit, Iím only Flying 36 hours total that month while if your flying a line you are probably do 75-80 hours of flying plus any overtime you pick up on the side. All Iím saying is while you are working to get the 120 hours of credit Iím sitting at home and working 3-4 days a month as a senior FO on reserve getting close to 100 hours of credit.

Teach me the ways Obi Wan.

havick206
01-27-2018, 09:18 PM
Average around 95 to 100 maybe more pending on how much OT is available. I understand because you hold a line you can have more days off and therefore pick up more OT than someone on reserve but at the end of the day while your getting 120 hours of credit and Iím getting 100 hours of credit, Iím only Flying 36 hours total that month while if your flying a line you are probably do 75-80 hours of flying plus any overtime you pick up on the side. All Iím saying is while you are working to get the 120 hours of credit Iím sitting at home and working 3-4 days a month as a senior FO on reserve getting close to 100 hours of credit.

Your math is still off. Iím only ACTUALLY flying total 77 average hour per month INCLUDING the OT I pick up and crediting an average of 120-130 hours a month. Iím also getting 12-13 days on average at home (that I canít be called in for).

Youíre obviously not at LGA either because the most senior FO on reserve in LGA is seniority 1770 something (probably hired 6-8 months after me) and getting used for stby or flying regularly. So if I bid a reserve line in LGA Iíd spend more days AT work for much less credit hours being called in all the time.

Not only is your math off, but youíre also comparing different bases with much different usage of reserve bodies. Iím guessing your base, senior FOís on reserve wonít get called in at all hence the desire to bid a reserve line.

That all being said I donít quite understand why you feel the need to disparage someone for wanting to uograde and get some PIC jet time and move on to other things? Not everyone is locked in to flowing to AA that works at Envoy, thereís a whole wide world of different options for employment. If you personally plan to sit at home on reserve and cherry pick OT on your days off then good for you, Iíd rather be doing that on CAís wages if Iím going to be called in to sit STBY anyway at LGA.

Bigpimppilot
01-28-2018, 02:43 AM
Your both right

Aviatrx
01-28-2018, 04:58 AM
What is second year CA pay again?

AZPilotMike
01-28-2018, 11:56 AM
What is second year CA pay again?

$21 less an hour than a Captain at Endeavor makes.

So $71

bigtime209
01-28-2018, 11:58 AM
$21 less an hour than a Captain at Endeavor makes.

So $71

And only $8/hr more than an FO at EDV makes.

AZPilotMike
01-28-2018, 12:10 PM
And only $8/hr more than an FO at EDV makes.

Bingo. Depressing. Good for them though.

Gooselives
01-28-2018, 12:17 PM
Bingo. Depressing. Good for them though.

Disgusting and nothing is being done about it! Email union and management. Make voice heard.

3GreenKSNA
01-28-2018, 12:35 PM
As a mid to upper 1/3rd of the list FO on the 175 in DFW in December i worked three times, two of those I profered for as I was bored. That total was 27 hours. In September I only did 18. Living in base makes being a sand bag on reserve highly tolerable. Viva dinero con no trabajo.

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Gooselives
01-28-2018, 04:39 PM
As a mid to upper 1/3rd of the list FO on the 175 in DFW in December i worked three times, two of those I profered for as I was bored. That total was 27 hours. In September I only did 18. Living in base makes being a sand bag on reserve highly tolerable. Viva dinero con no trabajo.

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Do we even have senior fos anymore? Or senior mean a few months on property?

pitchattitude
01-28-2018, 05:08 PM
Do we even have senior fos anymore? Or senior mean a few months on property?
Well, at least until this latest flow plan is complete.

Paid2fly
01-28-2018, 09:18 PM
As a mid to upper 1/3rd of the list FO on the 175 in DFW in December i worked three times, two of those I profered for as I was bored. That total was 27 hours. In September I only did 18. Living in base makes being a sand bag on reserve highly tolerable. Viva dinero con no trabajo.

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