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fr8mover2018
01-30-2018, 09:07 PM
Looking at applying to the Regionals. I'm still trying to get my career going.

Can anyone share what to expect from your ATP CTP course?

Would I have to pay myself?
How are the ATP CTP courses set up?
How are the Instructors? Are they Republic pilots or are they young CFI's ?

Do they help with the ATP written ? Was it beneficial or do you recommend going anywhere and doing the written first before applying to Republic?

Thank you in advance.


TwinTandem
01-31-2018, 04:41 AM
I sent you a PM.

TheWeatherman
01-31-2018, 04:08 PM
Looking at applying to the Regionals. I'm still trying to get my career going.

Can anyone share what to expect from your ATP CTP course?

Would I have to pay myself?
How are the ATP CTP courses set up?
How are the Instructors? Are they Republic pilots or are they young CFI's ?

Do they help with the ATP written ? Was it beneficial or do you recommend going anywhere and doing the written first before applying to Republic?

Thank you in advance.
Republic pays, gives you travel to IND, and pays for your hotel. However, if you wash out of training you will owe back the $4 - 5K the course costs. The instructor we had was great. A retired AF test pilot and then Fedex pilot. Did everything under the sun and has had every experience.

THE CTP COURSE DOES NOT PREPARE YOU FOR THE WRITTEN. This is the second thread created today on the subject and not sure where this misinformation comes from. The CTP course is a federally mandated course created after the Colgan accident and its main purpose is to teach CRM and risk management. You will also learn some of the stuff that is on the ATP like high speed aerodynamics etc., but you will need to get yourself a test prep program like Sheppard Air to help you study. Due to the large number of questions (well north of 1000), give yourself 3 weeks or so before the start of CTP to start studying.

The cool thing about Republic is that if you do CTP in house, you will be sent to the ERJ170 SIMS for the SIM portion. This was a huge help once I started training at Republic because I already had 16 hours of experience in the aircraft.

At the end of your CTP, Republic will get a testing slot for you and pay for your exam. It is usually scheduled two days after your last CTP SIM session.


TwinTandem
01-31-2018, 04:34 PM
Spot on about the ATP-CTP. The only way the written is related to the course is that the CTP has to be done first in order to take the test. Pay for the study material for the test from Sheppard. Totally worth it!

Varkguy
01-31-2018, 10:44 PM
Is the Sheppard course provided by the Dallas ATP-CTP? I tried to sign up with Sheppard today for my course in a couple of weeks and they said to make sure the course doesn't provide it to us, since apparently they think the Dallas-based course does. I don't mind paying for it but don't want to throw money away either.

Rotor2prop
02-01-2018, 05:15 AM
Is the Sheppard course provided by the Dallas ATP-CTP? I tried to sign up with Sheppard today for my course in a couple of weeks and they said to make sure the course doesn't provide it to us, since apparently they think the Dallas-based course does. I don't mind paying for it but don't want to throw money away either.

Unless you are a person who likes to cram I’d pay for in now either way. For most people a couple weeks of studying makes the process much less stressful! You can also relax more and have a good time with the program.

TheWeatherman
02-01-2018, 06:04 AM
If you follow Sheppard Air's study style, which would be the only reason to get Sheppard Air because there are much better programs out there if you really want to learn the how and why of each question, then you will at the minimum run through each question 3 times. More for questions you have trouble on. If memory serves there were close to 1300 questions. That means at a min you will see 3900 questions that you will have to answer. If you think you can do that in 10 days, then more power to you man.

Varkguy
02-01-2018, 07:30 AM
I’ve got about 40 hours into the ASA prep already, but I appreciate Sheppard’s focus down to the most likely questions for a top-off study and “warm fuzzy” on being fully prepared to ace the test. I just wanted to know if the ATP-CTP course makes it available once you’re confirmed before I waste money to get it one or two days earlier than I would have for free.

If someone could tell me whether it’s provided prior to the course or not I’d appreciate it. If not, no big deal and I’ll get it today.

TheWeatherman
02-01-2018, 07:36 AM
I’ve got about 40 hours into the ASA prep already, but I appreciate Sheppard’s focus down to the most likely questions for a top-off study and “warm fuzzy” on being fully prepared to ace the test. I just wanted to know if the ATP-CTP course makes it available once you’re confirmed before I waste money to get it one or two days earlier than I would have for free.

If someone could tell me whether it’s provided prior to the course or not I’d appreciate it. If not, no big deal and I’ll get it today.
I did CTP in Indy, but a couple guys in my INDOC class took it in Dallas. They did not mention at all that they got Sheppard Air for free when taking that course despite us talking extensively about our differing experiences in CTP. Have you considered calling them?

Varkguy
02-01-2018, 07:49 AM
I did CTP in Indy, but a couple guys in my INDOC class took it in Dallas. They did not mention at all that they got Sheppard Air for free when taking that course despite us talking extensively about our differing experiences in CTP. Have you considered calling them?

Haven’t gotten the info yet from HR since I just accepted the CJO, but that’s a good idea. I would have bought the course yesterday but Sheppard always wants to double check whether I need the material or not, which is pretty cool of them.

Varkguy
02-01-2018, 10:15 AM
I did CTP in Indy, but a couple guys in my INDOC class took it in Dallas. They did not mention at all that they got Sheppard Air for free when taking that course despite us talking extensively about our differing experiences in CTP. Have you considered calling them?

Good idea on calling. I just confirmed the Dallas ATP-CTP school DOES provide the Sheppard prep once you're in their system. :)

fastforward
02-01-2018, 11:50 AM
Is there a checkride at the end of the sim session?

TheWeatherman
02-01-2018, 11:54 AM
Is there a checkride at the end of the sim session?
The ATP checkride? Not at the end of the CTP sim sessions which is 16 hours worth. It will happen in conjunction with your Type rating ride which is at the culmination of your training. There is no pass/fail with the CTP sim sessions, there are certain things the instructor needs to show you but that is about it. It was a no pressure type of environment (unlike when you get to SIMs in training, lots of pressure).

Keep in mind that while you are in CTP and Republic is paying for it, you are not an employee of Republic and it is not a part of your Republic oriented training. That starts day 1 of INDOC where you will get your seniority number. This is why in the contract if you wash out of training or leave Republic before the end of it, you will owe Republic back the cost of the CTP course.

Varkguy
02-01-2018, 12:56 PM
This is why in the contract if you wash out of training or leave Republic before the end of it, you will owe Republic back the cost of the CTP course.

The CJO from Republic mentions that the IRS will tax the value of the ATP training since we aren't employees yet, but they also mention there are some tax strategies to minimize tax liability. Has anyone figured out how to do this the right (legal but tax-minimizing) way?

Twin Wasp
02-01-2018, 08:22 PM
It used to be education required "to meet the minimum educational require- ments to qualify you in your trade or business" was not deductible. However education that "maintains or improves skills required in your present work" was deductible. So if you were making your living as a pilot getting an ATP could be considered deductible. However all that went out the window with Trump's tax reform. So I would say Republic needs to update their information. But what do I know, I'm just a line pilot, not a CPA.

Migz74
02-03-2018, 09:44 AM
Can you count the CTP sim time towards the 50hrs multi time required for an ATP?

Thanks!

TheWeatherman
02-03-2018, 10:54 AM
Can you count the CTP sim time towards the 50hrs multi time required for an ATP?

Thanks!
Absolutely and a few people in my class did.

bonanza
02-03-2018, 11:18 AM
Buy it and sheppard air will most likely refund you the money once your on the ATP-CTS list. I got my money back. Took me about 3 week to follow it. Don't goto the course without starting you will not do good. Get a head start and pay the money

Varkguy
02-04-2018, 07:37 AM
Buy it and sheppard air will most likely refund you the money once your on the ATP-CTS list. I got my money back. Took me about 3 week to follow it. Don't goto the course without starting you will not do good. Get a head start and pay the money

I was just wondering if they’d consider letting me pay and then refunding if I got enrolled this week. I’m getting a bit impatient to get started and even though I’ve been studying the ASA bank, there’s so many questions in that one it’s really not very good as a test prep.

FlyBi
02-05-2018, 06:21 PM
Can anyone share what happens in the 10 hrs of SIM training for the ATP/CTP course ?
sounds like theres 4 hrs in a FSDT and 6 hrs in full motion sim

TheWeatherman
02-06-2018, 07:23 AM
Can anyone share what happens in the 10 hrs of SIM training for the ATP/CTP course ?
sounds like theres 4 hrs in a FSDT and 6 hrs in full motion sim
Not sure what course you are going to but I got 16 hours of training in the E170 full motion sim. The requirements for SIM training are laid out in the FAA ATP document.

Varkguy
02-06-2018, 07:22 PM
Not sure what course you are going to but I got 16 hours of training in the E170 full motion sim. The requirements for SIM training are laid out in the FAA ATP document.

The one he’s referring to is the Dallas, TX ATP-CTP course.

Twin Wasp
02-07-2018, 02:31 AM
AC 61-138 lays out the whole course outline. The sim stuff covers FMC input, low visibility ops, stall recovery and upset recovery and a few other things.